Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[Clem Fandango]

As were Snider, Rasmus, and Drabek. In fact all 3 were top 50 easily.

 

That's a bit of an understatement

 

Highest Prospect Rankings:

Travis Snider: 6th (2009, last year as prospect)

Colby Rasmus: 3rd (2009, last year as prospect)

Kyle Drabek: 25th (2010, ranked 29th in 2011)

 

I would gladly take any/all three of them off their hands in a Garza deal

[A New Era]

I received a Matt Garza jersey tonight. So he will be traded

within the next week.

 

I really hope you didn't have to pay for it. Who buys a jersey of a player rumored to be traded in the next couple of weeks?

 

Maybe it was cheap. You know, because he's gonna be traded. :D

[rawaction]

Here's my thinking on this: I would prefer a package from Toronto, because of volume. If we could get a package of Marisnick, 2 of Syndergaard, Nicolino, and Hutchison, and one of Sanchez or Knecht, I'd prefer that to a package of Montero and one of Banuelos or Betances. If the Yanks offered both pitchers and Sanchez, I'd jump all over that though. I don't really have an interest in Drabek, Snider, or Rasmus, to be honest. And I don't have an interest in anything the Red Sox could offer.

 

Yeah, definitely seems like the best fit and a very likely return for Garza. Doesn't make sense for them to trade Rasmus if they are getting Garza to try to make a playoff run. So, I'm thinking like you. 1 ML ready arm to slot at the back of the rotation this year, 1 big-time projectable offensive talent, and a couple live arms with 1 having top of the rotation potential.

[RammyFanny]

The Nationals' trade for Gio Gonzalez leaves Matt Garza as the most attractive pitcher believed to be available. The Cubs could find themselves in a great situation with the Red Sox, Yankees and Blue Jays trying to get him. Keep your eye on a three-team deal in which one of those teams uses the Padres to broker a move that sends first baseman Anthony Rizzo to the Cubs. …

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-111224-mlb-whispers,0,7654232.story

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Nationals' trade for Gio Gonzalez leaves Matt Garza as the most attractive pitcher believed to be available. The Cubs could find themselves in a great situation with the Red Sox, Yankees and Blue Jays trying to get him. Keep your eye on a three-team deal in which one of those teams uses the Padres to broker a move that sends first baseman Anthony Rizzo to the Cubs. …

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-111224-mlb-whispers,0,7654232.story

 

Come on B2B, it's christmas. Give it your best shot.

[davell]

That's an easy one. Pads send Rizzo to us, receive Marisnick from Toronto. Toronto receives Garza and Rhee from us, sending us Alvarez, Syndergaard, and Nicolino.

[JeffH]

That's an easy one. Pads send Rizzo to us, receive Marisnick from Toronto. Toronto receives Garza and Rhee from us, sending us Alvarez, Syndergaard, and Nicolino.

 

Good luck with that!

[JeffH]

That's an easy one. Pads send Rizzo to us, receive Marisnick from Toronto. Toronto receives Garza and Rhee from us, sending us Alvarez, Syndergaard, and Nicolino.

 

In the extremely unlikely event Toronto would give up that package for Garza and Rhee, keep Marisnick and sign Fielder!

[davell]

I think Toronto is actually going to sign Fielder. And I think they need Garza more than New York or Boston does, because they can go out and buy guys easier. Not to mention, they're playing catchup to those 2 teams. And, even by giving up a package like that, they've still got Gose as far as a future CFer. And dealing away Nicolino and Syndergaard hurts some, but they still have McGuire, Hutchison, Cardona, Sanchez, wojociechowski, and Drabek as young arms to go through. I think Garza being the last elite pitcher on the market helps net us an excellent return. And taking guys lower down the system should help us add extra talent as well.

[Backtobanks]

The Nationals' trade for Gio Gonzalez leaves Matt Garza as the most attractive pitcher believed to be available. The Cubs could find themselves in a great situation with the Red Sox, Yankees and Blue Jays trying to get him. Keep your eye on a three-team deal in which one of those teams uses the Padres to broker a move that sends first baseman Anthony Rizzo to the Cubs. …

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-111224-mlb-whispers,0,7654232.story

 

Come on B2B, it's christmas. Give it your best shot.

 

Merry Christmas:

Cubs trade Garza and Dolis to the Yankees and Junior Lake to the Padres.

Yankees trade Betances to the Padres and Robert Segedin and Banuelos to the Cubs

Padres trade Rizzo to the Cubs

 

Cubs end up with Rizzo, Banuelos, and Segedin

Padres end up with Lake and Betances

Yankees end up with Garza and Dolis

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This is the same guy who said we would "likely" get Corcino in the Marshall trade, so take it for what it's worth:

 

@MLBInsideNews #Tigers willing to include Jacob Turner in a deal for Garza. #Cubs

 

Yes, please. Turner is a polished, young pitching prospect with huge upside. Exactly what we'd want to centerpiece a Garza return.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Nationals' trade for Gio Gonzalez leaves Matt Garza as the most attractive pitcher believed to be available. The Cubs could find themselves in a great situation with the Red Sox, Yankees and Blue Jays trying to get him. Keep your eye on a three-team deal in which one of those teams uses the Padres to broker a move that sends first baseman Anthony Rizzo to the Cubs. …

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-111224-mlb-whispers,0,7654232.story

 

Come on B2B, it's christmas. Give it your best shot.

 

Merry Christmas:

Cubs trade Garza and Dolis to the Yankees and Junior Lake to the Padres.

Yankees trade Betances to the Padres and Robert Segedin and Banuelos to the Cubs

Padres trade Rizzo to the Cubs

 

Cubs end up with Rizzo, Banuelos, and Segedin

Padres end up with Lake and Betances

Yankees end up with Garza and Dolis

 

If we're giving up that much we best be ending up with either Montero or Headley as well. Granted, the Yankees wont be giving up their 3 top prospects in a deal in which they only get Garza and Dolis, but with the package we end up with, i guess it would be decent for Garza alone but I wouldnt be willing to throw in 2 quality young players as well. Even if te arguement were that Dolis and Lake could be viewed as the Epstein comp, thats still too much.

Edited December 25, 2011 by Little Slide Rooter

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Cafardo in today's Boston Globe on Garza:

 

We get the feeling Epstein will deal him, and teams such as the Red Sox, Yankees, Blue Jays, and perhaps even Orioles would have to be interested. Don’t rule out the Tigers, either.

[Backtobanks]

The Nationals' trade for Gio Gonzalez leaves Matt Garza as the most attractive pitcher believed to be available. The Cubs could find themselves in a great situation with the Red Sox, Yankees and Blue Jays trying to get him. Keep your eye on a three-team deal in which one of those teams uses the Padres to broker a move that sends first baseman Anthony Rizzo to the Cubs. …

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-111224-mlb-whispers,0,7654232.story

 

Come on B2B, it's christmas. Give it your best shot.

 

Merry Christmas:

Cubs trade Garza and Dolis to the Yankees and Junior Lake to the Padres.

Yankees trade Betances to the Padres and Robert Segedin and Banuelos to the Cubs

Padres trade Rizzo to the Cubs

 

Cubs end up with Rizzo, Banuelos, and Segedin

Padres end up with Lake and Betances

Yankees end up with Garza and Dolis

 

If we're giving up that much we best be ending up with either Montero or Headley as well.

 

You guys are hard to please. Everybody criticizes me for making my proposals too one-sided in favor of the Cubs, so when I have the Cubs giving up more you complain. My original proposals for trading Garza to the Yankees included Montero, but people said he has no position (basically a DH). We could forget about Rizzo and the Padres completely and try something along the lines of:

 

Garza + Russell for Montero + Banuelos + Segedin + prospect

 

Obviously this deal wouldn't please the people who want Rizzo, but I'm sure they would get over it when they see Montero hit. Hopefully he would produce more runs offensively than he would give up defensively.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Dont think the Yankees would do it. They reportedly refused to part with 2 of their top 3 guys(Montero, Banuelos, Betances) for Danks who's younger although has 1 less year under tea control, but he's also lefty and has overall better career numbers than Garza.

[Backtobanks]

Dont think the Yankees would do it. They reportedly refused to part with 2 of their top 3 guys(Montero, Banuelos, Betances) for Danks who's younger although has 1 less year under tea control, but he's also lefty and has overall better career numbers than Garza.

 

The trade that you said we were giving up too much had the Yankees giving up Banuelos (to the Cubs) and Betances (to the Padres). I told you that you are hard to please.

[davell]

Garza has already proven himself in the AL East and I honestly think that's going to matter here. Plus, he's the last bigtime pitcher available. Kuroda, Jackson, and Oswalt are the competition for us, as any team interested in Garza can go out and sign one of them. But, Garza's the best pitcher of the bunch and has no red flags whatsoever, which isn't the same for them. I figure we'll talk to the Yankees, Blue Jays, Red Sox, Tigers, Mariners(if they sign Fielder), Marlins, and Rockies. He doesn't make sense for the Orioles to me, even if they do sign Fielder.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Dont think the Yankees would do it. They reportedly refused to part with 2 of their top 3 guys(Montero, Banuelos, Betances) for Danks who's younger although has 1 less year under tea control, but he's also lefty and has overall better career numbers than Garza.

 

The trade that you said we were giving up too much had the Yankees giving up Banuelos (to the Cubs) and Betances (to the Padres). I told you that you are hard to please.

 

Im not saying that I wouldnt like the last proposal, the Yankees wouldn't go for it. I really can't see them moving Banuelos and Betance. They'd probably try to move Nova well before either and I'm sure that a lot of NSBBers would waste little time with the Randy Wells comments if we got Nova.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Actually, the last proposal might work out. I don't know much about Segedin, but if the Yankees really want Garza they should have to come out of those 3. While they didn't want to move that much for Danks now that he's off the board as us Gio they could have to say uncle. Them again, it is the Yankees so they could prefer to sign Jackson and 1 of Oswalt or Kuroda and wait until next year and go after Cain, Hamels, or Greinke.

[Backtobanks]

Dont think the Yankees would do it. They reportedly refused to part with 2 of their top 3 guys(Montero, Banuelos, Betances) for Danks who's younger although has 1 less year under tea control, but he's also lefty and has overall better career numbers than Garza.

 

The trade that you said we were giving up too much had the Yankees giving up Banuelos (to the Cubs) and Betances (to the Padres). I told you that you are hard to please.

 

Im not saying that I wouldnt like the last proposal, the Yankees wouldn't go for it. I really can't see them moving Banuelos and Betance. They'd probably try to move Nova well before either and I'm sure that a lot of NSBBers would waste little time with the Randy Wells comments if we got Nova.

 

Well if the Yankees don't want to make the deal, I'm sure their rivals (Red Sox or Blue Jays) might want to make a deal. If Banuelos/Betances are so valuable, replace one of them with Hughes instead of offering Nova.

[Guancous]

Jacob Turner + X = Garza

 

What would you prefer X to be?

[davell]

Perfect world X would be Porcello. More likely, it'd be Drew Smyly, Andy Oliver, or Casey Crosby. Castellanos and Turner was what Oakland wanted for Gio and the Tigers wouldn't do it for him, so I think it's definitely off the table for Garza as well.

[Guest]

Jacob Turner + X = Garza

 

What would you prefer X to be?

 

Castellanos.

[davell]

By the way, I don't think the Red Sox can even put together a package capable of getting Garza. Bogaerts is supposedly untouchable and we're probably looking for a pitching heavy package to begin with. And the Red Sox don't have a single elite pitching prospect and very few decent ones even. If Garza gets dealt, I think it's almost definitely going to be to one of the following teams: Yankees, Blue Jays, Tigers, Royals, Mariners(if they get Prince, they could "go for it") or Rockies.

[davell]

Also, we're at 38 on the 40 man right now. Not counting Reed Johnson and Kerry Wood. So, in trading Garza, we'll probably target talent that's not on other team's 40 man rosters for the most part. Same thing goes in trading anyone else as well. Maybe a swap of guys ON the 40 man, but we'd probably want to add some depth geared more towards the lower levels of our minors, outside of the swap of spots.