Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[Splendid Splinter]

I still think Rangers system is a "quantity over quality" type system where there's really no "centerpiece" prospect/player beside Profar or Holland and I seriously doubt Rangers would trade either one in a package for Garza.

 

I've read this now about both San Diego and Texas (quantity over quality). Is there a "centerpiece" player anywhere in baseball that might match up well with Garza, or are the Cubs going to be forced (if they decide to trade Garza this offseason) to go quantity over singular quality?

 

I mean, Martin Perez and Jurickson Profar were both BA top 12 midseason prospects. I can't imagine anyone who has been rumored to be engaged with the Cubs would have a more highly regarded prospect to deal.

 

 

Yeah Perez is highly regarded, but after this year, there's a couple question marks about him IMO. That alone takes him out of the "centerpiece" of a package that I'm looking for, but he's borderline. The "centerpiece" type guys I'm looking are Jacob Turner/Tyler Skaggs/Julio Teheran/Matt Moore/Drew Pomeranz. That's just talking about pitching prospects. Perez and Manny Banuelos are at the top of the next group for me. I would ask for more in a package with Perez than the pitchers I've mentioned. Of course, this is just my opinion on it while other people think he is a "centerpiece" guy. I've seen Perez pitched this year. The dude has TONS of talent/potential. His stuff is great, but it's the control and inconsistency I'm worried about. Also as a guy with great stuff, he's still hittable (more than I like to see). Now I'm not saying I wouldn't want him cuz I would love to have him, but I think he's a "tad" overrated than what a lot of people say about him. The great thing about him is that he's still extremely young.

 

I think Cubs will be going with the "quantity over quality" package for Garza IMO. The quality overall is still going to be good though. You could say it's the same as the singular quality. It's just be with like 3-5 prospects instead of 2.

 

For example: offers for Garza (I could be WAAAAYYY off here on what a realistic package for Garza is) Which one would you want? I'll put Sickels grade (he has 2012 grades for some teams so far) next to the offers as well.

 

Yankees: Jesus Montero or Gary Sanchez and Manny Banuelos.... A/B+ (last years grade)

Rangers: Martin Perez/1 of Leonys Martin/Mike Olt/Cody Buckel and either Christian Villanueva (if you don't pick Olt) or Jorge Alfaro and Miguel De Los Santos B+/B/B- or C+/C+

Padres: 2 of Anthony Rizzo/Jedd Gyorko/Robert Erlin and Jonathan Galvez B+/B+/B-

 

Just to give you an idea...

[Clem Fandango]

I'd probably just kick the tires on seeing if we can pry away Rizzo and Headley in a package. Not sure how much they value them though. I'd almost be comfortable with those two for Garza straight up if they'd be willing. Extend Headley through his first couple of FA years (into his age 31 or 32 season maybe) and you've got your corner IF locked up for the forseeable future. I'm a little more impressed by Rizzo than some, I know some on here aren't as high on him as others. I think he'd be just fine.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I still think Rangers system is a "quantity over quality" type system where there's really no "centerpiece" prospect/player beside Profar or Holland and I seriously doubt Rangers would trade either one in a package for Garza.

 

I've read this now about both San Diego and Texas (quantity over quality). Is there a "centerpiece" player anywhere in baseball that might match up well with Garza, or are the Cubs going to be forced (if they decide to trade Garza this offseason) to go quantity over singular quality?

 

I mean, Martin Perez and Jurickson Profar were both BA top 12 midseason prospects. I can't imagine anyone who has been rumored to be engaged with the Cubs would have a more highly regarded prospect to deal.

 

 

Yeah Perez is highly regarded, but after this year, there's a couple question marks about him IMO. That alone takes him out of the "centerpiece" of a package that I'm looking for, but he's borderline. The "centerpiece" type guys I'm looking are Jacob Turner/Tyler Skaggs/Julio Teheran/Matt Moore/Drew Pomeranz. That's just talking about pitching prospects. Perez and Manny Banuelos are at the top of the next group for me. I would ask for more in a package with Perez than the pitchers I've mentioned. Of course, this is just my opinion on it while other people think he is a "centerpiece" guy. I've seen Perez pitched this year. The dude has TONS of talent/potential. His stuff is great, but it's the control and inconsistency I'm worried about. Also as a guy with great stuff, he's still hittable (more than I like to see). Now I'm not saying I wouldn't want him cuz I would love to have him, but I think he's a "tad" overrated than what a lot of people say about him. The great thing about him is that he's still extremely young.

 

I think Cubs will be going with the "quantity over quality" package for Garza IMO. The quality overall is still going to be good though. You could say it's the same as the singular quality. It's just be with like 3-5 prospects instead of 2.

 

For example: offers for Garza (I could be WAAAAYYY off here on what a realistic package for Garza is) Which one would you want? I'll put Sickels grade (he has 2012 grades for some teams so far) next to the offers as well.

 

Yankees: Jesus Montero or Gary Sanchez and Manny Banuelos.... A/B+ (last years grade)

Rangers: Martin Perez/1 of Leonys Martin/Mike Olt/Cody Buckel and either Christian Villanueva (if you don't pick Olt) or Jorge Alfaro and Miguel De Los Santos B+/B/B- or C+/C+

Padres: 2 of Anthony Rizzo/Jedd Gyorko/Robert Erlin and Jonathan Galvez B+/B+/B-

 

Just to give you an idea...

 

If the Jays miss out on Darvish I bet they'd be very interested and we could go for Rasmus/Drabek/B

[Clem Fandango]

If the Jays miss out on Darvish I bet they'd be very interested and we could go for Rasmus/Drabek/B

 

Hmmm... that could be a very interesting team to trade with

[Guest]

I don't really care how the prospects travel from one team or another, or where Garza's landing place would be, but a pretty ideal use of resources would be to "trade down" to a similar pitcher with only one year to FA, and then extend them. Something like trade Garza, net Rizzo and Danks, then give Danks 5/75.

[mul21]

If the Jays miss out on Darvish I bet they'd be very interested and we could go for Rasmus/Drabek/B

 

Hmmm... that could be a very interesting team to trade with

 

I don't want anything to do with Rasmus. He's a headcase and was deathly afraid of the wall at Busch. He won't catch anything even close to the wall at Wrigley and I think he's destined for a corner OF spot sooner rather than later anyway, where his bat doesn't play nearly as well..

[davell]

I think Rizzo and Alonso are very comparable, value-wise. That said, I like Rizzo much, much more. Someone like Grandal is comparable value-wise with Perez. Volquez? No clue honestly what he matches up with, because I'm not sure anyone knows what to expect from him. Boxberger is a solid prospect in his own right, but he's a reliever, even though he may wind up as a closer. I'm bringing this up, because Latos has more value than Garza. Pitching ability is probably close, but it's 4 years versus 2. So Latos certainly was going to have a better package towards him. Is Garza worth Perez and Rizzo? Hopefully. But, I'm not totally sure we can even get that and it doesn't appear like that's going to make people happy. To me, that's adding 2 top 50 prospects, one a potential middle of the order hitter and the other's a potential 2 or 3 starter. In a perfect world, Detroit is the team I want to deal with, because I'd take Turner and either Smyly, Crosby, or Oliver and call it a day. But, if they won't do that, I'd take Rizzo and Perez in a 3 team deal and be impressed as well.

[davell]

And I'll say this as well: If we trade Garza and miss out on Darvish and Prince, we NEED to trade Marshall as well. My honest guess is a team like Texas could look at him as either a starter or as a closer. Other teams may think the same. So, trade him now, before the season starts, especially if a team wants to stretch him out, so he can start this upcoming season. Because next year, when he hits FA, he's going to be a total wildcard. I can see a team giving him a 3/30 type deal and give him a shot at something he's not had here. His value is extremely solid too, I could see Texas sending us Olt for him or maybe a package of Ramirez and Buckel.

[treebird]

i only support trading for rizzo if tim promises to change the world filter to make his name show up as "The RZO"

[Rob]

i only support trading for rizzo if tim promises to change the world filter to make his name show up as "The RZO"

 

I'm in.

 

Is there any chance of getting Oddibe McDowell on the coaching staff?

[javy knows my name]

i only support trading for rizzo if tim promises to change the world filter to make his name show up as "The RZO"

 

I'm in.

 

Is there any chance of getting Oddibe McDowell on the coaching staff?

 

Both these posts are excellent

[Guest]

i only support trading for rizzo if tim promises to change the world filter to make his name show up as "The RZO"

 

I'm in.

 

Is there any chance of getting Oddibe McDowell on the coaching staff?

 

Extremely well played. Awesome.

[Guest]

What 3b prospects do the Padres have that makes Chase Headley potentially available in trade?

 

Was it possible that San Diego wanted to maybe get something big for Headley and then trade for Stewart? He's kind of a dead pull hitter and San Diego has the short porch in RF.

[Little Slide Rooter]

What 3b prospects do the Padres have that makes Chase Headley potentially available in trade?

 

Was it possible that San Diego wanted to maybe get something big for Headley and then trade for Stewart? He's kind of a dead pull hitter and San Diego has the short porch in RF.

 

Garza, Vitters, and Russell for Rizzo, Headley, and Richard? Yeah, it sounds like we might be getting the slightly shorter end of the stick, but remember we owe them compensation.

[bukie]

We owe them a marginal low A player, not a lopsided trade involving major league players.

[davell]

The Pads have Jedd Gyorko, who kind of profiles as another Headley actually. They also have James Darnell, who's bat is probably ready right now, but is a butcher in the field and probably moves to the OF. They also have a guy lower down their system named Juan Rincon, who is a very solid prospect as well. In other words, them trading Headley doesn't mean they don't have answers for 3B pretty soon.

[toonsterwu]

I think you mean Edinson Rincon, who is also a butcher in the field. You leave out Logan Forsythe, who could be a short term option if they want Gyorko to get more time in the minors.

 

Still, I think it's going to take a pretty massive deal, relative to expectations, for them to move Headley.

[Guest]

So the Tigers have been after starting pitching, including guys like Gio Gonzalez as well as guys like Joe Saunders. How close do you think a Garza and Wells for Porcello, Turner, and Oliver deal is? What if Byrd or Barney were added?

[Post Count Padder]

So the Tigers have been after starting pitching, including guys like Gio Gonzalez as well as guys like Joe Saunders. How close do you think a Garza and Wells for Porcello, Turner, and Oliver deal is? What if Byrd or Barney were added?

I would love to have something from the Tigers farm system. Buying low on Porcello would be great and I like Turner. I wonder if Theo and Jed were waiting out on a Garza trade to see how the market played out. After the Latos trade, we should be able to get a nice haul.

[davell]

So the Tigers have been after starting pitching, including guys like Gio Gonzalez as well as guys like Joe Saunders. How close do you think a Garza and Wells for Porcello, Turner, and Oliver deal is? What if Byrd or Barney were added?

I've mentioned this scenario a couple of times. Personally, I'd do whatever it took to get Turner and Porcello. If there's a 3rd piece, I don't care whether it's Oliver, Smyly, or Crosby.

[Little Slide Rooter]

So the Tigers have been after starting pitching, including guys like Gio Gonzalez as well as guys like Joe Saunders. How close do you think a Garza and Wells for Porcello, Turner, and Oliver deal is? What if Byrd or Barney were added?

I've mentioned this scenario a couple of times. Personally, I'd do whatever it took to get Turner and Porcello. If there's a 3rd piece, I don't care whether it's Oliver, Smyly, or Crosby.

 

The Tigers rotation of Verlander, Fister, Scherzer, and Porcello is pretty strong, certainly the top in their division by far. I really don't think that they have any urgency to mortage the future for another front end guy, especially if they might have to prepare for life after Verlander and Cabrera in 3 years. If anything they might be looking for mid-back end options.

[KingCubsFan]

So the Tigers have been after starting pitching, including guys like Gio Gonzalez as well as guys like Joe Saunders. How close do you think a Garza and Wells for Porcello, Turner, and Oliver deal is? What if Byrd or Barney were added?

Not sure why they'd want Wells in that deal. If I were them, I'd keep Oliver and give up someone else.

[d_money]

So the Tigers have been after starting pitching, including guys like Gio Gonzalez as well as guys like Joe Saunders. How close do you think a Garza and Wells for Porcello, Turner, and Oliver deal is? What if Byrd or Barney were added?

I've mentioned this scenario a couple of times. Personally, I'd do whatever it took to get Turner and Porcello. If there's a 3rd piece, I don't care whether it's Oliver, Smyly, or Crosby.

 

The Tigers rotation of Verlander, Fister, Scherzer, and Porcello is pretty strong, certainly the top in their division by far. I really don't think that they have any urgency to mortage the future for another front end guy, especially if they might have to prepare for life after Verlander and Cabrera in 3 years. If anything they might be looking for mid-back end options.

 

Garza will probably be a trade deadline guy for many of these teams looking to get over the hump (provided we suck at the time), rather than an offseason move.

[CubsWin]

I've always been more of a dynasty guy than a win now guy so I'm all for trading Garza and Marshall so long as the Cubs can get a haul in return. One team that needs both of them is the Toronto Blue Jays. They really have no good left-handed reliever and they just missed out on Darvish. Now might be the time to strike.

 

Their system is stocked at the moment. If the Blue Jays could get both Garza and Marshall without giving up any major leaguers integral to them winning now and without giving up any of their top 3 prospects, might they do it?

 

The Cubs would get their 4th, 5th and 9th best prospects (as ranked by BA) LHP Daniel Norris, LHP Justin Nicolino and RHP Drew Hutchison. Norris was the Jays 1st round pick last year. Nicolino was their 2nd rounder in 2010 and Hutchison was a 15th rounder in '09. I subscribe to the three pitching prospects equals one very good major leaguer theory because one will falter, one will get injured and one will make it. So those three for Garza. And then pick some combination of the following for Marshall. Travis Snider, Nestor Molina, A.J. Jiminez or Danny Barnes. If need be the Cubs can give up some of their prospects to balance it out.

 

I'm no expert on what minor league talent value equals that of very good, young, established players like Garza and Marshall, so I could be way off base. That might be a lot, I don't know. What I do know is the Blue Jays seem motivated to make a run at the AL East and they have the system to overpay and not really feel it. Someone help me out. Is there a fit here?

[SweetZombieJesus]

I've always been more of a dynasty guy than a win now guy so I'm all for trading Garza and Marshall so long as the Cubs can get a haul in return. One team that needs both of them is the Toronto Blue Jays. They really have no good left-handed reliever and they just missed out on Darvish. Now might be the time to strike.

 

Their system is stocked at the moment. If the Blue Jays could get both Garza and Marshall without giving up any major leaguers integral to them winning now and without giving up any of their top 3 prospects, might they do it?

 

The Cubs would get their 4th, 5th and 9th best prospects (as ranked by BA) LHP Daniel Norris, LHP Justin Nicolino and RHP Drew Hutchison. Norris was the Jays 1st round pick last year. Nicolino was their 2nd rounder in 2010 and Hutchison was a 15th rounder in '09. I subscribe to the three pitching prospects equals one very good major leaguer theory because one will falter, one will get injured and one will make it. So those three for Garza. And then pick some combination of the following for Marshall. Travis Snider, Nestor Molina, A.J. Jiminez or Danny Barnes. If need be the Cubs can give up some of their prospects to balance it out.

 

I'm no expert on what minor league talent value equals that of very good, young, established players like Garza and Marshall, so I could be way off base. That might be a lot, I don't know. What I do know is the Blue Jays seem motivated to make a run at the AL East and they have the system to overpay and not really feel it. Someone help me out. Is there a fit here?

 

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