Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[davell]

Diamondbacks just said they're willing to deal prospects for immediate help. This may be our best trade partner possible when it comes to Garza. Parker and Skaggs are both potential top of the rotation guys and they still have Bauer left. I wonder if they'd trade us Skaggs and Parker, maybe with either of Borchering or Davidson for Garza and Marshall? Or Garza and Byrd?

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[Cubswin11]

ESPNChiCubs: Rangers and cubs conversations on Matt Garza for top prospects . No match yet

Sheppers, Olt and Profar would do.

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[davell]

ESPNChiCubs: Rangers and cubs conversations on Matt Garza for top prospects . No match yet

Sheppers, Olt and Profar would do.

Profer and Perez would be even better. Perez, Olt, and Scheppers sounds more realistic though unfortunately. And if that's the case, I want to get Arizona in on this, because Skaggs and/or Parker would be great as a return.

[Guancous]

Here are the details on MLB Trade Rumors: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/cubs-rangers-discussing-matt-garza.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

Texas fans do not appreciate that Garza would be their best starter.

[Ryno12]

Here are the details on MLB Trade Rumors: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/cubs-rangers-discussing-matt-garza.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

Texas fans do not appreciate that Garza would be their best starter.

 

I love how the first poster states that Profar, Olt, Perez, and Ramirez all untouchable. If that's so, I don't expect Theo to stay on the line very long. I know fans have a tendency to over-value their team's prospects, but a couple of those posters are delusional.

[toonsterwu]

I'll stick with what I said a few weeks back - I don't love the Rangers system as a great match for Garza. A young starter in his prime, still cost-controlled (albeit, expensive, but cost-controlled is still valuable) needs a top prospect in return. A package built around Perez as a centerpiece does not excite me. He has enough pitching concerns in terms of, for lack of a better term, "pitchability", and his ceiling might be more mid-rotation than a possible 2. I don't see Martin or Olt as guys to centerpiece a package. Only way I really like a deal is if they deal Profar ... or if they move some quality major league talent. I don't see the latter - Profar is too far away for them to gamble on an Elvis Andrus move, I don't know if I buy Ogando as someone to build a deal around, and that leaves Holland, who I'd be fine as a centerpiece, but why would Texas make that move. If they do, using Holland as a centerpiece, okay. Rest of the system, not so intrigued.

 

I'd love to get Arizona involved, and one of their top arms as a centerpiece would be great.

[Splendid Splinter]

I'll stick with what I said a few weeks back - I don't love the Rangers system as a great match for Garza. A young starter in his prime, still cost-controlled (albeit, expensive, but cost-controlled is still valuable) needs a top prospect in return. A package built around Perez as a centerpiece does not excite me. He has enough pitching concerns in terms of, for lack of a better term, "pitchability", and his ceiling might be more mid-rotation than a possible 2. I don't see Martin or Olt as guys to centerpiece a package. Only way I really like a deal is if they deal Profar ... or if they move some quality major league talent. I don't see the latter - Profar is too far away for them to gamble on an Elvis Andrus move, I don't know if I buy Ogando as someone to build a deal around, and that leaves Holland, who I'd be fine as a centerpiece, but why would Texas make that move. If they do, using Holland as a centerpiece, okay. Rest of the system, not so intrigued.

 

I'd love to get Arizona involved, and one of their top arms as a centerpiece would be great.

 

 

I think Rangers would be great system to go after if you want the "quantity over quality" although the quality is still good to very good unless the centerpiece is Profar or Holland like you said. If they still had Erlin and Wieland (traded for Mike Adams), I think a deal would be done IMO.

 

Who would you want beside one of Skaggs/Parker from Arizona in a package for Garza?

 

 

*did see a ton of Texas League games this year as Northwest Arkansas Naturals stadium is only like 5 minutes away from here so I got to see the Rangers AA team several times so I'm familiar with a few of these prospects*

[davell]

A realistic package from Arizona for JUST Garza would probably be one of Skaggs or Parker, one of Borchering or Davidson, and Corbin and Miley. A future top of the rotation guy, a corner infielder with power and plenty of holes in his swing but time to correct it, a possible mid rotation guy, and a probable back end of the rotation guy who probably already is what he is. Personally though, I'd try and send them Marshall or Byrd, hell both of them, if it meant we could get BOTH Skaggs and Parker.

[Outshined_One]

A realistic package from Arizona for JUST Garza would probably be one of Skaggs or Parker, one of Borchering or Davidson, and Corbin and Miley. A future top of the rotation guy, a corner infielder with power and plenty of holes in his swing but time to correct it, a possible mid rotation guy, and a probable back end of the rotation guy who probably already is what he is. Personally though, I'd try and send them Marshall or Byrd, hell both of them, if it meant we could get BOTH Skaggs and Parker.

 

I wonder if the Diamondbacks would be amenable to including Goldschmidt in a trade for Garza? H'se put up excellent numbers in the minors, plus held his own during his stint in the majors this season.

 

It's too bad the 2011 draftees can't be traded. One of Bauer, Bradley, or Chafin would be fantastic.

[davell]

Yeah, but that's also why Parker and/or Skaggs can possibly be had right now. Bottom line is they are absolutely loaded pitching=wise in the minors. Got to be the best in all of MLB. No hitting whatsoever though.

[Splendid Splinter]

Yeah, but that's also why Parker and/or Skaggs can possibly be had right now. Bottom line is they are absolutely loaded pitching=wise in the minors. Got to be the best in all of MLB. No hitting whatsoever though.

 

Yeah I was gonna say... Who is their best hitting prospect? AJ Pollock? I wouldn't mind a package of either Parker/Skaggs, Pollock, and whoever for Garza then flip B Jax in a package for 3B help or whatever if you want to go that route. Although B Jax and Pollock in the OF 2 years from now would be interesting.

[Splendid Splinter]

Not sure if this article been on here yet.... http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/7329188/chicago-cubs-talked-matt-garza-texas-rangers-source-says

 

But I know the last part of the article hasn't been on here...

 

Another source told ESPNChicago.com that the Cubs asked for right-handed pitcher Scott Feldman as one piece in a Garza deal. Texas was unwilling to part with Feldman, the source indicated.

 

 

Hopefully Feldman wasn't the centerpiece of that deal.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Not sure if this article been on here yet.... http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/7329188/chicago-cubs-talked-matt-garza-texas-rangers-source-says

 

But I know the last part of the article hasn't been on here...

 

Another source told ESPNChicago.com that the Cubs asked for right-handed pitcher Scott Feldman as one piece in a Garza deal. Texas was unwilling to part with Feldman, the source indicated.

 

 

Hopefully Feldman wasn't the centerpiece of that deal.

 

If Feldman is a sticking point and not a throw-in, I'm not sure I want any part of a Garza deal now.

[Splendid Splinter]

Not sure if this article been on here yet.... http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/7329188/chicago-cubs-talked-matt-garza-texas-rangers-source-says

 

But I know the last part of the article hasn't been on here...

 

Another source told ESPNChicago.com that the Cubs asked for right-handed pitcher Scott Feldman as one piece in a Garza deal. Texas was unwilling to part with Feldman, the source indicated.

 

 

Hopefully Feldman wasn't the centerpiece of that deal.

 

If Feldman is a sticking point and not a throw-in, I'm not sure I want any part of a Garza deal now.

 

Haha... I'm trying to figure out why the Cubs would "ask/want" Scott Feldman in the first place as part of the package. He got 1 year deal left at 6.5 M then an option year for 9.25 M (600K buyout). He doesn't fit in with what Theo/Hoyer want to do.

[toonsterwu]

I'll stick with what I said a few weeks back - I don't love the Rangers system as a great match for Garza. A young starter in his prime, still cost-controlled (albeit, expensive, but cost-controlled is still valuable) needs a top prospect in return. A package built around Perez as a centerpiece does not excite me. He has enough pitching concerns in terms of, for lack of a better term, "pitchability", and his ceiling might be more mid-rotation than a possible 2. I don't see Martin or Olt as guys to centerpiece a package. Only way I really like a deal is if they deal Profar ... or if they move some quality major league talent. I don't see the latter - Profar is too far away for them to gamble on an Elvis Andrus move, I don't know if I buy Ogando as someone to build a deal around, and that leaves Holland, who I'd be fine as a centerpiece, but why would Texas make that move. If they do, using Holland as a centerpiece, okay. Rest of the system, not so intrigued.

 

I'd love to get Arizona involved, and one of their top arms as a centerpiece would be great.

 

 

I think Rangers would be great system to go after if you want the "quantity over quality" although the quality is still good to very good unless the centerpiece is Profar or Holland like you said. If they still had Erlin and Wieland (traded for Mike Adams), I think a deal would be done IMO.

 

Who would you want beside one of Skaggs/Parker from Arizona in a package for Garza?

 

 

*did see a ton of Texas League games this year as Northwest Arkansas Naturals stadium is only like 5 minutes away from here so I got to see the Rangers AA team several times so I'm familiar with a few of these prospects*

 

Don't disagree with any of that (on the Rangers), although I still feel like Erlin is a touch overhyped. That said, in this type of deal, I would definitely want quality over quantity.

 

Davell's Arizona package would probably be fine for me. Haven't thought about it a ton, but the point was that they have multiple legitimate centerpieces to build a deal around in terms of just looking at prospects.

 

Shoot me if Feldman is anything more than a throw in.

[davell]

Yeah, i laughed when I saw Feldman as a guy they weren't willing to include. Arizona matches up much, much better with us.

[Splendid Splinter]

Don't disagree with any of that (on the Rangers), although I still feel like Erlin is a touch overhyped. That said, in this type of deal, I would definitely want quality over quantity.

 

Davell's Arizona package would probably be fine for me. Haven't thought about it a ton, but the point was that they have multiple legitimate centerpieces to build a deal around in terms of just looking at prospects.

 

Shoot me if Feldman is anything more than a throw in.

 

 

Why you think Erlin is a touch overhyped? He hasn't been a top 100 prospect yet (although he could be this offseason when they come out with the new one) and haven't heard anyone saying that he's an ace caliber pitcher or even a great #2. I've seen the guy pitched and I wish he was in the Cubs minor leagues. Honestly I like him more than Martin Perez (Perez just reminds me of Marmol- his stuff is so good that it's hard to keep it in the zone if hitters aren't swinging) although Erlin doesn't have the stuff, but his control is off the chart. I think he got a very high floor and will be a productive pitcher for a long time.

 

Anyway the reason I said Erlin/Wieland is that it would've been more pieces that Rangers could throw in on a deal.

 

I agree that Diamondbacks got the legit centerpieces to do a deal for Garza. Profar is the only one from the Rangers that I would put on the same level as Skaggs/Parker. I want Cubs to offer like Garza/Marshall/Byrd for Justin Upton and see if they would bite. Heck you can replace B Jax with Byrd if that's what it takes.

 

As for Feldman, seriously, why would Cubs ask for him in the deal?

[davell]

Only way they MAY even listen to us on Upton is if Starlin was in the deal. The Feldman thing probably came from the Rangers or someone who knows nothing about the conversations at all.

[Sammys Boombox]

I wonder if the Royals will think about a package for Garza. I doubt it happens, but if they really think they may contend this season then they might think about it. Their system is really deep.

[Banedon]

Jon_Heyman: No surprise #rangers are interested in matt garza. They tried for him last yr

[toonsterwu]

Don't disagree with any of that (on the Rangers), although I still feel like Erlin is a touch overhyped. That said, in this type of deal, I would definitely want quality over quantity.

 

Davell's Arizona package would probably be fine for me. Haven't thought about it a ton, but the point was that they have multiple legitimate centerpieces to build a deal around in terms of just looking at prospects.

 

Shoot me if Feldman is anything more than a throw in.

 

 

Why you think Erlin is a touch overhyped? He hasn't been a top 100 prospect yet (although he could be this offseason when they come out with the new one) and haven't heard anyone saying that he's an ace caliber pitcher or even a great #2. I've seen the guy pitched and I wish he was in the Cubs minor leagues. Honestly I like him more than Martin Perez (Perez just reminds me of Marmol- his stuff is so good that it's hard to keep it in the zone if hitters aren't swinging) although Erlin doesn't have the stuff, but his control is off the chart. I think he got a very high floor and will be a productive pitcher for a long time.

 

Anyway the reason I said Erlin/Wieland is that it would've been more pieces that Rangers could throw in on a deal.

 

I agree that Diamondbacks got the legit centerpieces to do a deal for Garza. Profar is the only one from the Rangers that I would put on the same level as Skaggs/Parker. I want Cubs to offer like Garza/Marshall/Byrd for Justin Upton and see if they would bite. Heck you can replace B Jax with Byrd if that's what it takes.

 

As for Feldman, seriously, why would Cubs ask for him in the deal?

 

Well, I should be specific. I thought some of the comments about Erlin when the trade happened were a bit overboard. Made him out to be a big prospect, when I think he's a nice one. In fact, I'm not sure I don't prefer Wieland to Erlin, but haven't pondered it too much. I think he's a nice arm, a possible mid-end of the rotation type, a guy I would like in my system

[SABR Gamer]

Don't disagree with any of that (on the Rangers), although I still feel like Erlin is a touch overhyped. That said, in this type of deal, I would definitely want quality over quantity.

 

Davell's Arizona package would probably be fine for me. Haven't thought about it a ton, but the point was that they have multiple legitimate centerpieces to build a deal around in terms of just looking at prospects.

 

Shoot me if Feldman is anything more than a throw in.

 

 

Why you think Erlin is a touch overhyped? He hasn't been a top 100 prospect yet (although he could be this offseason when they come out with the new one) and haven't heard anyone saying that he's an ace caliber pitcher or even a great #2. I've seen the guy pitched and I wish he was in the Cubs minor leagues. Honestly I like him more than Martin Perez (Perez just reminds me of Marmol- his stuff is so good that it's hard to keep it in the zone if hitters aren't swinging) although Erlin doesn't have the stuff, but his control is off the chart. I think he got a very high floor and will be a productive pitcher for a long time.

 

Anyway the reason I said Erlin/Wieland is that it would've been more pieces that Rangers could throw in on a deal.

 

I agree that Diamondbacks got the legit centerpieces to do a deal for Garza. Profar is the only one from the Rangers that I would put on the same level as Skaggs/Parker. I want Cubs to offer like Garza/Marshall/Byrd for Justin Upton and see if they would bite. Heck you can replace B Jax with Byrd if that's what it takes.

 

As for Feldman, seriously, why would Cubs ask for him in the deal?

 

I would trade anything involving the Cubs not named Castro to get Upton. That would be a dream.

[Clem Fandango]

Mmmmmmmmmmm.... Justin Upton.

 

Not gonna happen though.

 

Also, who the fudge is Scott Feldman?