Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[mookie]

I like your thinking there, but Holland is a pretty amazing get especially coupled with the rest of your wants. His ceiling is that of an ace, and it isn't like he had a sub par season in 2011. If I am the Rangers, there is no way I am giving you Holland straight up for Garza.

[Little Slide Rooter]

What about Wil Myers? I know we have a log jam in the outfield, but he was a catcher that they moved to the outfield. Couldn't we stick him at first? Kansas City has already stated that they don't want to pay for starting pitching, but they will trade for it. They also need it, badly.

 

 

Wil Myers is 9 days away from his 21st birthday, so even if we did have a logjam in the outfield, he'd be worth trading for. By the time Myers hits the big leagues, Byrds and possibly Soriano are long gone. He'll be 22 by the time DeJesus' contract expires unless they pick up the option, which I doubt.

[Brian]

I can't imagine getting a package worth trading him for.

[illiniguy]

Wil Myers and Michael Montgomery please.

[Clem Fandango]

Ace just posted on Facebook...

 

A source tells me the Cubs won't trade Matt Garza for "less than a Greinke type deal the Royals got last year." Greinke netted the Royals a fairly substantial return when he was dealt to the Brewers last Winter.

 

I wasn't a fan of the Greinke deal one iota, so I'm kinda [-( on that possibility.

[davell]

I liked the trade for Greinke, in this way only: They got a top 50ish prospect in Escobar to fill their hole at SS. Yes, he sucks, but he WAS very highly thought of. Cain was supposed to fill CF for them and was a top 10 prospect on the Brewers. Odorizzi was the guy everyone thought had the huge upside and has since turned into a bigtime prospect. Jefferess was a flyer, but huge arm. So, I liked the idea of what they tried to do, but Escobar sucked, so it didn't work out for them. But if we basically get a top 50 guy, a top 100 guy, a top 300 guy, and a big upside guy for Garza, I'm probably going to be happy.

[XZero771679666304]

I really don't see Garza being traded unless the package is spectacular. The Cubs are short on starting pitching as it is, and Garza is relatively cheap and under team control beyond this year. There's no harm in shopping him to see if a team like Boston or the Yankees will overpay, but I have a hard time envisioning it actually happening.

 

What I mean by a spectacular package would be a two of Banuelos/Betances/Montero plus 2-3 mid-level prospects type return. ML-ready or near ML-ready top SP prospect(s) would be a must.

[Clem Fandango]

I liked the trade for Greinke, in this way only: They got a top 50ish prospect in Escobar to fill their hole at SS. Yes, he sucks, but he WAS very highly thought of. Cain was supposed to fill CF for them and was a top 10 prospect on the Brewers. Odorizzi was the guy everyone thought had the huge upside and has since turned into a bigtime prospect. Jefferess was a flyer, but huge arm. So, I liked the idea of what they tried to do, but Escobar sucked, so it didn't work out for them. But if we basically get a top 50 guy, a top 100 guy, a top 300 guy, and a big upside guy for Garza, I'm probably going to be happy.

 

Escobar wasn't a prospect anymore at the time of the trade and he sucked before the trade happened. Was always viewed as a defense only type guy, which he still is, but he can't hit for anything. He's merely a defensive specialist, which I'm sure the Royals have one of those in their farm system somewhere, which makes Escobar kind of pointless.

 

Cain is the weirdest non-prospect prospect in baseball. I don't know why he was such a highly regarded trade chip, but he was, and it seemed like he was the center piece of that deal when he'll probably be, at best, Denard Span... which is a perfectly fine player to have but hardly a difference maker. He had a breakout year in 2010 due largely in part to his AA performance in 2010 at the age of 24, and somehow that parlayed him into being a desirable bargaining chip. He's had a boost in power numbers this year in AAA, but many have said that the PCL is very hitter friendly which is probably a big reason. His value appears to come from an ability to hit for average, good baserunning, and solid defense. A fine player to have on your team but I wouldn't ever make him the center piece of a deal for Greinke

 

Odorizzi is a good prospect, but I'd hardly say he's turned into a big time one. He's got a nice K/BB rate, but he's hardly set the world on fire in the minors. And in the Royals system it's tough to predict whether or not he'd be in the Top 5, or even the Top 10 of all their prospects.

 

And Jeffress is one bong hit away from being kicked out of baseball forever. He's also got abysmal minor league numbers.

 

The Rays get a better haul for Garza than the Royals did for Greinke, and I think Greinke is a much better pitcher. And as such, I would hope that Garza yields a much nicer return than what the Royals got for Greinke.

[Guest]

The Rays get a better haul for Garza than the Royals did for Greinke

 

They absolutely did not.

[Clem Fandango]

The Rays get a better haul for Garza than the Royals did for Greinke

 

They absolutely did not.

 

Maybe not in retrospect, but at the the time they most certainly did

[Guest]

The Rays get a better haul for Garza than the Royals did for Greinke

 

They absolutely did not.

 

Maybe not in retrospect, but at the the time they most certainly did

 

No, they didn't. Escobar is what Lee wants to be, Archer and Odorizzi were similar prospects, Jeffress is a better prospect than Chirinos, and Cain is a better prospect than Guyer. Escobar, Jeffress, and Odorizzi were all Top 100 prospects at one point.

[Rob]

The Rays get a better haul for Garza than the Royals did for Greinke

 

They absolutely did not.

 

Maybe not in retrospect, but at the the time they most certainly did

 

No, they didn't. Escobar is what Lee wants to be, Archer and Odorizzi were similar prospects, Jeffress is a better prospect than Chirinos, and Cain is a better prospect than Guyer. Escobar, Jeffress, and Odorizzi were all Top 100 prospects at one point.

 

http://www2.tbo.com/exposure/ar/350/0/2011/04/13/111586_sam-fuld-cape.jpg

[ctcf]

The Rays get a better haul for Garza than the Royals did for Greinke

 

They absolutely did not.

 

Maybe not in retrospect, but at the the time they most certainly did

 

No, they didn't. Escobar is what Lee wants to be, Archer and Odorizzi were similar prospects, Jeffress is a better prospect than Chirinos, and Cain is a better prospect than Guyer. Escobar, Jeffress, and Odorizzi were all Top 100 prospects at one point.

 

http://www2.tbo.com/exposure/ar/350/0/2011/04/13/111586_sam-fuld-cape.jpg

 

What? I don't even...

[Rob]

http://www2.tbo.com/exposure/ar/350/0/2011/04/13/111586_sam-fuld-cape.jpg

 

What? I don't even...

 

That's the cape from the Super Sam Fuld giveaway the Rays had last season. TT left him out of his assessment of the packages so I thought I'd poke him a bit.

[davell]

White Sox supposedly want Montero AND Banuelos for Danks. If this is true, we should have a very serious market for Garza. One year of Danks and KW wants THAT? I know it's a starting point and all, but damn.......

[ctcf]

White Sox supposedly want Montero AND Banuelos for Danks. If this is true, we should have a very serious market for Garza. One year of Danks and KW wants THAT? I know it's a starting point and all, but damn.......

 

I don't think it was meant as a terribly serious offer.

[dew1679666265]

MLBTR

 

The Cubs told at least one team that it would take an overwhelming offer to even consider trading Matt Garza, tweets Jon Heyman of SI.

[XZero771679666304]

White Sox supposedly want Montero AND Banuelos for Danks. If this is true, we should have a very serious market for Garza. One year of Danks and KW wants THAT? I know it's a starting point and all, but damn.......

 

I don't think it was meant as a terribly serious offer.

 

 

Yeah, not so much. Kenny might have meant it as a serious proposition, but that would never happen.

 

If one year of Danks was worth Montero and Banuelos, Garza would be worth Montero, Banuelos, Batances and Ivan Nova.

[Banedon]

Gammons just said in casual passing while discussing that the Cubs "will" trade Garza at some point, and that the Yankees could be a suitor.

[Guest]

Gammons just said in casual passing while discussing that the Cubs "will" trade Garza at some point, and that the Yankees could be a suitor.

 

 

Well, we know what that means.

[utkcub]

They cant start with Banuelos if thats the case

[Hairyducked Idiot]

AceCubbies' unnamed source has joined the "Garza will probably be dealt" bandwagon:

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2011/12/06/winter-meetings-tuesday-morning-garza-wilson-headley-stewart-hudson-barney-russell-pena-zambrano/

[XZero771679666304]

AceCubbies' unnamed source has joined the "Garza will probably be dealt" bandwagon:

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2011/12/06/winter-meetings-tuesday-morning-garza-wilson-headley-stewart-hudson-barney-russell-pena-zambrano/

 

I'd much rather see Garza retained, but if the return is too good to pass up, so be it.

[Post Count Padder]

I forget where I saw this but the Royals asked the Rays about Shields and they were told it would require Soria, Myers, Christian Colon and another prospect to get it done. I think they may have asked for Alex Gordon too but I'm not sure.

[jersey cubs fan]

AceCubbies' unnamed source has joined the "Garza will probably be dealt" bandwagon:

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2011/12/06/winter-meetings-tuesday-morning-garza-wilson-headley-stewart-hudson-barney-russell-pena-zambrano/

 

I'd much rather see Garza retained, but if the return is too good to pass up, so be it.

 

I'd like to see him stay mostly because I like him and think he can help the team long-term, but almost just as much because it's fun to see Peter Gammons be wrong on something he says will happen. If the return is tremendous and they go out and sign big time guys (meaning 2), then it's a parralel front series of moves.