Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[ConstableRabbit]

#Rangers can't be ruled out on starters. Have shown strong interest in Garza in past. #Cubs' new regime willing to move him. #Cubs #MLB

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Hopefully willing to move him for a lot.

 

Who said that?

oops the formatting didn't come through, sorry.

 

it was Ken Rosenthal

[Guest]

The Rangers do have a deep and intruging farm system. Hopefully Jed and Theo are blown away if they do deal Garza.

 

I'm guessing Profar is too much, huh?

[toonsterwu]

Why would Profar be too much, though? 2 cost-controlled years of a potentially elite starter should net an elite chip in return? To be honest, if we're just getting prospects in return ... I'm not sure I love any deal from the Rangers that doesn't include Profar.

 

Their system is talented, but as of now, it just doesn't seem to have many chips that can headline a deal for 2 cost-controlled years of a possibly elite starter. I mean, Martin Perez looks nice, in a mid-rotation lefty type of the way. Quite valuable, but is that enough ceiling to headline this deal? Besides Perez, there isn't really another arm that could headline a deal. Robbie Ross? His floor seems high, but what's his ceiling. Positionally, I really like Olt, and would want him as the 2nd/3rd piece in a deal, but too far away and with big question marks on the bat. Don't know enough about Leonys Martin to really comment, but not sold the ceiling is that quality to justify him as the headline piece to a deal.

 

There's some raw assets further down that might make a case for headlining a deal by midseason of this year, but as of now, just not sure who offers that besides Profar (unless they go bucket full - that is, offer us, say, a choice of 5 guys besides Profar, as the sheer quantity of decent quality might be enough). But that's me. I just can't see a prospect deal that doesn't involve Profar. If they involved major leaguers, that might be a different story depending on who, but not sure they would do that.

[davearm2]

The Rangers do have a deep and intruging farm system. Hopefully Jed and Theo are blown away if they do deal Garza.

 

I'm guessing Profar is too much, huh?

There's no way that's asking too much.

 

If I'm selling an asset like Garza, on the right side of 30, signed for 2 years and producing at a high level in the majors, and someone tells me, "sorry, our A-ball phenom is offlimits," that's the end of the conversation.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

A first-round supplemental pick and $300k in IFA pool space.

[WilcoFan]

The Rangers do have a deep and intruging farm system. Hopefully Jed and Theo are blown away if they do deal Garza.

 

I'm guessing Profar is too much, huh?

There's no way that's asking too much.

 

If I'm selling an asset like Garza, on the right side of 30, signed for 2 years and producing at a high level in the majors, and someone tells me, "sorry, our A-ball phenom is offlimits," that's the end of the conversation.

 

 

I'd have to agree with this. A lot can happen between being an 18 year old A ball phenom and being a MLB caliber star. 2 years of cost controlled quality starting pitching warrants more than that.

[KingCubsFan]

If the Rangers were willing to trade Profar for pitching, they'd probably rather have Shields anyways.

[Guest]

Profar is too much only if he's the blank filled in by "Feliz and ____". I'd start by going after something silly like Holland, Perez, and Olt, and try to settle at Holland and one of those guys.

[toonsterwu]

I would love to get Holland in a deal, but I've got a tough time seeing them move Holland in any deal for Garza. I think/wonder if they might discuss Ogando, but is he a headliner in a deal at 28, with issues on consistency with his slider and a change that still needs work? For such a good team with such a good system, the problem I have with dealing with the Rangers is that

 

a) As noted, in the system, IMO only Profar looks like a chip that you could have as a centerpiece to this type of deal.

 

b) In terms of young guys on the 40, there are few pieces that look attainable unless Jon Daniels and Co. pulls another Otsuka/Eaton deal, which seems doubtful with the brain-trust development there. I'd love Holland, and he'd be awesome as a centerpiece, but would it make sense for them to offer Holland for Garza coming off the season Holland just had, particularly when you factor in that he has 3 cost-controlled years left (I think) and is younger. After Holland? Not sure Ogando is the type that can headline a deal, and same with Matt Harrison. Don't like Engel Beltre all that much. Not all that intrigued with Martin/Borbon/Moreland and none of the three seem like centerpiece type pieces to me. You've got some pieces like Font/Ramirez/Mendez that are intriguing in a depth piece type of way.

 

Anyhow, should be interesting to see what rumors pop up in the coming weeks now that someone has thrown it out that Garza is available.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chicago/chat/_/id/41354

 

Interesting tid bits for a lot of the cubs targets.

[ctcf]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chicago/chat/_/id/41354

 

Interesting tid bits for a lot of the cubs targets.

 

Thanks for posting that. Nice to see Levine thinks they'll be big players for Fielder, not that it means much.

[Guest]

I wonder if Levine is basing that on anything. Weeks back he was downplaying one of the big 1B targets big time. Then again, his argument was that they wouldn't even want to come here to begin with, so who knows.

[Guest]

Mr Baseball (Lincoln Park)

 

 

Bruce -Any more rumblings about the Cubs pursuing Carl Crawford? It has been brought up here and there, and maybe a package of Zambrano/Soriano and Specs/Cash could potentially get it done? I know Boston was never excited about the Crawford signing to begin wtih

Bruce Levine

(1:18 PM)

 

 

Not sure Zambrano would get it done, even after a bad year by Crawford. They'd probably have to throw in a big name like Castro.

 

Levine will now and then say something like this and it makes you never even want to read anything he writes ever again.

[RammyFanny]

MLBTR:

The Reds have made it no secret that they want to add a top-of-the-rotation starter this winter, and today GM Walt Jocketty reiterated to John Fay of The Cincinnati Enquirer that starting pitching is the team's top priority...

 

“I can’t comment of other team’s players," said Jocketty, "although others are OK talking about ours. I will say we’re looking at improving pitching. The first priority is finding a starting pitcher. If [Francisco] Cordero leaves, we’ll have to look at finding a closer.”

Yonder Alonso is the club's primary piece of trade bait since Joey Votto is off limits. Tim Dierkes broke down the trade market for starting pitchers earlier this month, though not many of the clubs with available starters are in need of a first baseman.

[ParadigmShift]

Would it be out of the question to package Soto with Garza, and go after Alonso and Mesaraco? I feel like we would need at least one more high upside prospect in the deal, and the Reds would likely see it as to much, but getting both of them from the Reds would feel like a coup. Plus, I have the rights to both of them on my fantasy team for three more years, so it would be an especially big win for me.

[davell]

That's not a bad package talent-wise, but honestly, I don't want a 1B prospect. I'd like to get a Conger or a Mesoraco, but I'd much rather target pitching than a 1B.

[toonsterwu]

Would it be out of the question to package Soto with Garza, and go after Alonso and Mesaraco? I feel like we would need at least one more high upside prospect in the deal, and the Reds would likely see it as to much, but getting both of them from the Reds would feel like a coup. Plus, I have the rights to both of them on my fantasy team for three more years, so it would be an especially big win for me.

 

As talented and intriguing as Mesoraco and Alonso are, I'd want quite a bit more than one more high upside prospect for Soto/Garza, in all honesty. The problem with a prospect trade like that involving Cincinnati is their thorough lack of quality arms in the upper levels to trade for. To be honest, I'm not sold that there is a package that the Reds could give involving prospects that would make me satisfied with dealing them Alonso/Mesoraco. I mean, Zack Cozart gets talked about, but that's more due to his readiness than some sort of elite potential (and I'm not sold that he's not better off at 2nd). Billy Hamilton is raw and so far away. Kyle Lotzkar looks promising, but is fairly far away in the overall development process (has to add workload more than anything, which will take time). Unless they gave us multiple guys after Alonso/Meso (say, 3-4 and thus gave us a high quantity of decent quality), none of the guys left in the system, individually, would make me satisfied with a deal (that is, I don't see any one guy that, with their addition to Alonso/Meso, would make me satisfied with the deal).

 

But that's me.

[Backtobanks]

I'm not a big fan of trading Garza, but I would love to get Alonzo. That guy is just a born hitter. How about a deal centered around Garza for Alonzo + Wood/Bailey/Leake?

[davell]

If the Marlins offered Logan Morrison straight up for Garza and it's up to you, what would you do?

[Sammy Sofa]

Demand more.

[imb]

If the Marlins offered Logan Morrison straight up for Garza and it's up to you, what would you do?

 

Laugh a lot.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If the Marlins offered Logan Morrison straight up for Garza and it's up to you, what would you do?

 

And then?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If the Marlins offered Logan Morrison straight up for Garza and it's up to you, what would you do?

 

And then?

 

Say yes then ignore their calls for a week when I "forgot" to confirm the trade in the MLB computer system.

[davell]

I keep thinking of whether it's a good idea or not to trade him, but I think we can and still find a way to contend next season. Anyway, here are some potebtial targets, any of these hold any interest? To the Angels for Conger, Richards, and Segura. To Toronto for Snider, Drabek, and Arencibia. To the Nats for Cole, Norris, and Solis. To the Rangers for Perez, Olt, and Ramirez. To the Red Sox for Kalish, Middlebrooks, and Cecchini. To the Rockies for Arenado and Rosario. To Detroit for Porcello and Turner. To the Yanks for Sanchez, Banuelos, and Heathcott. Personally, I'd prefer finding a way to get some guys ready to go, but I can't see Texas trading Holland or Ogando. I'd love to get Montero from the Yanks, but I think he's probably an AL lifer. Anyway, if we deal him, my guess is it's to one of these teams.

[Guest]

I keep thinking of whether it's a good idea or not to trade him, but I think we can and still find a way to contend next season. Anyway, here are some potebtial targets, any of these hold any interest? To the Angels for Conger, Richards, and Segura. To Toronto for Snider, Drabek, and Arencibia. To the Nats for Cole, Norris, and Solis. To the Rangers for Perez, Olt, and Ramirez. To the Red Sox for Kalish, Middlebrooks, and Cecchini. To the Rockies for Arenado and Rosario. To Detroit for Porcello and Turner. To the Yanks for Sanchez, Banuelos, and Heathcott. Personally, I'd prefer finding a way to get some guys ready to go, but I can't see Texas trading Holland or Ogando. I'd love to get Montero from the Yanks, but I think he's probably an AL lifer. Anyway, if we deal him, my guess is it's to one of these teams.

None of those packages would make me excited about giving up on next season.