Cubs Acquire Garza for Archer, Lee, Guyer, Chirinos & Fuld

[CubColtPacer]

It would give the Cubs a Ryan Dempster-Garza-Carlos Zambrano top three to their starting rotation and make the back end look stronger with only two spots between Andrew Cashner, Randy Wells, Carlos Silva, Tom Gorzelanny and Jeff Samardzija.

 

Is Gordon Wittenmeyer calling Zambrano our 3rd best starter (presuming the Garza trade)?

 

While I wouldn't agree with it, doesn't seem that egregious.

 

Agreed. Calling Z the ace or the 3rd starter could both be supported. Those three pitchers are so close that they really could be in any order. Wells shouldn't be thrown in with the group though. He should be the clear 4 in that scenario with the others battling out for 5.

[SouthSideRyan]

just dont part ways with starlin castro just yet, please

 

Are you serious Clark?

[CubColtPacer]

 

My guess is IF this even happens it will be:

 

Chirinos

Lee

Guyer

Carpenter

 

That feels like a lot.

 

It does, but if you're going to deal 4 guys from different ranges of the Top 20, that's not a bad list to give up.

 

Agreed. Guyer is talented but I'm not sure the Cubs would ever give him a serious look in the OF with Soriano locked in for the next 4 years and both Jackson and Colvin ahead of him. Chirinos is just a backup for the Cubs because of Soto. Lee's future value to the team is hurt a lot by Castro being at SS. And Carpenter is just another high risk medium upside type of pitcher.

 

This would be an example of both teams winning. Tampa gets a lot of talent

but the Cubs get a player who fits better on their roster and they also trade a couple risky players while their trade value may be at its highest.

[Dr. Cub]

 

My guess is IF this even happens it will be:

 

Chirinos

Lee

Guyer

Carpenter

 

That feels like a lot.

 

It does, but if you're going to deal 4 guys from different ranges of the Top 20, that's not a bad list to give up.

 

Agreed. Guyer is talented but I'm not sure the Cubs would ever give him a serious look in the OF with Soriano locked in for the next 4 years and both Jackson and Colvin ahead of him. Chirinos is just a backup for the Cubs because of Soto. Lee's future value to the team is hurt a lot by Castro being at SS. And Carpenter is just another high risk medium upside type of pitcher.

 

This would be an example of both teams winning. Tampa gets a lot of talent

but the Cubs get a player who fits better on their roster and they also trade a couple risky players while their trade value may be at its highest.

 

It's not like I somehow forgot this was true, yet, I still threw up in my mouth a little bit after reading it.

[David]

I doubt the Garza deal goes down because nearly all of Hendry's trades are made quickly. He is know by his peers as being a GM who you can do a deal without him trying to hold out for a an even better deal. To me this means that Hendry has already offered what he thinks Garza is worth. Either Tampa budges or Hendry gives more than he thinks Garza is worth. I can only recall the Pierre deal as one where it dragged on and it was actually completed.

 

 

The Nomar deal took a month, if not more... the Harden deal was talked about for a couple weeks.

 

It feels like it's been longer than a month that this deal has been discussed.

 

It hasn't been, though.

[Banedon]

ESPN.com's Buster Olney reported via Twitter that he has been told a deal for Garza "is not close to happening."

 

Olney quoted a "well-placed source" as saying that given the Rays' current posture, a Garza trade is more likely in July than it is now.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Buster

[Cubs Fan Dan]

Yea this will be the trade that never happens...

[erik316wttn]

 

My guess is IF this even happens it will be:

 

Chirinos

Lee

Guyer

Carpenter

 

That feels like a lot.

 

It does, but if you're going to deal 4 guys from different ranges of the Top 20, that's not a bad list to give up.

 

Agreed. Guyer is talented but I'm not sure the Cubs would ever give him a serious look in the OF with Soriano locked in for the next 4 years and both Jackson and Colvin ahead of him. Chirinos is just a backup for the Cubs because of Soto. Lee's future value to the team is hurt a lot by Castro being at SS. And Carpenter is just another high risk medium upside type of pitcher.

 

This would be an example of both teams winning. Tampa gets a lot of talent

but the Cubs get a player who fits better on their roster and they also trade a couple risky players while their trade value may be at its highest.

 

Maybe it's just me, but I'd like to hang on to Lee if at all possible.

[erik316wttn]

Yea this will be the trade that never happens...

 

Garza added to the list of Brian Roberts and Jake Peavy.

[dew1679666265]

It hasn't been, though.

 

I know. It's close, but feels like this has been going on for a couple of months.

[dew1679666265]

This would be an example of both teams winning. Tampa gets a lot of talent but the Cubs get a player who fits better on their roster and they also trade a couple risky players while their trade value may be at its highest.

 

The only part of the trade I dislike is giving up Lee. I understand his trade value is at its highest now, but if the peak of his trade value is one of four top 20 pieces for Garza, I'd rather keep him and see what he becomes, I think.

[Soul]

This would be an example of both teams winning. Tampa gets a lot of talent but the Cubs get a player who fits better on their roster and they also trade a couple risky players while their trade value may be at its highest.

 

The only part of the trade I dislike is giving up Lee. I understand his trade value is at its highest now, but if the peak of his trade value is one of four top 20 pieces for Garza, I'd rather keep him and see what he becomes, I think.

 

It's tough for me. Garza's only 26, he'd be switching to the easier league for pitchers...

 

He might have room to improve as well.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

If Demp and Pena have bounce back years will they possibly net the Cubs supplemental picks? Or does Demp opting out give the Cubs nothing? Just wondering if Hendry may be more aggressive hoping they will have more picks in 2012 draft.

[dew1679666265]

If Demp and Pena have bounce back years will they possibly net the Cubs supplemental picks? Or does Demp opting out give the Cubs nothing? Just wondering if Hendry may be more aggressive hoping they will have more picks in 2012 draft.

 

What does Demp need to bounce back from? 3.85 ERA/3.89 xFIP/1.32 WHIP are all right in line with his Cub career.

[dew1679666265]

It's tough for me. Garza's only 26, he'd be switching to the easier league for pitchers...

 

He might have room to improve as well.

 

He's actually 27 (turned it in November) and will cost upward of $5-6 million next year. His xFIPs have been worse than Wells' as well. He could definitely improve and was once a top prospect, but I don't know that I want to give out one of our top prospects, along with three others, and pay $5 million to hope a guy improves by switching leagues, while also hoping he can adjust to having a weaker defense than he's had his entire career.

Edited January 5, 2011 by dew

[Post Count Padder]

If Demp and Pena have bounce back years will they possibly net the Cubs supplemental picks? Or does Demp opting out give the Cubs nothing? Just wondering if Hendry may be more aggressive hoping they will have more picks in 2012 draft.

 

What does Demp need to bounce back from? 3.85 ERA/3.89 xFIP/1.32 WHIP are all right in line with his Cub career.

Yeah, I don't what people expect, but Dempster has actually been pretty good. I never expected him to post a 2.95 ERA again.

[dew1679666265]

If Demp and Pena have bounce back years will they possibly net the Cubs supplemental picks? Or does Demp opting out give the Cubs nothing? Just wondering if Hendry may be more aggressive hoping they will have more picks in 2012 draft.

 

What does Demp need to bounce back from? 3.85 ERA/3.89 xFIP/1.32 WHIP are all right in line with his Cub career.

Yeah, I don't what people expect, but Dempster has actually been pretty good. I never expected him to post a 2.95 ERA again.

 

Yeah, he got some luck that year – his xFIP was in the 3.71 area. He's a really good starter, though.

[dew1679666265]

A Bruce Miles update:

 

No doubt you’ve read the talk about the Cubs and Tampa Bay’s Matt Garza. Several people I’ve talked to today said nothing is imminent on that. In fact, one Cubs operative said he was glad to read that they were the front-runners to land Garza because they didn’t know it.

Yes, the Cubs are interested in Garza, but to my knowledge, no names have been exchanged between the Cubs and Rays, and the Rays just may hang on to him into the season. Even though field managers don’t have the final say on such things, Rays manager Joe Maddon said during the season that Garza would be pitching for Tampa Bay in 2011. As always, we shall see.

[Gingerballs Lives]

I too would like the Cubs to hang on to Lee.

[dew1679666265]

I too would like the Cubs to hang on to Lee.

 

I'm ok with them trading Lee, but if they do, I'd like to see it in a better trade than him as one of four pieces to get Garza.

[illiniguy]

Tampa is tough to deal with.

[nick23]

A Bruce Miles update:

 

No doubt you’ve read the talk about the Cubs and Tampa Bay’s Matt Garza. Several people I’ve talked to today said nothing is imminent on that. In fact, one Cubs operative said he was glad to read that they were the front-runners to land Garza because they didn’t know it.

Yes, the Cubs are interested in Garza, but to my knowledge, no names have been exchanged between the Cubs and Rays, and the Rays just may hang on to him into the season. Even though field managers don’t have the final say on such things, Rays manager Joe Maddon said during the season that Garza would be pitching for Tampa Bay in 2011. As always, we shall see.

No names have been exchanged? It's been a month of "so if we were to trade Garza, what would you be willing to give up?" "Well before I answer that, let me ask you this. Say we want Graza, what would it take?"

[davell]

A Bruce Miles update:

 

No doubt you’ve read the talk about the Cubs and Tampa Bay’s Matt Garza. Several people I’ve talked to today said nothing is imminent on that. In fact, one Cubs operative said he was glad to read that they were the front-runners to land Garza because they didn’t know it.

Yes, the Cubs are interested in Garza, but to my knowledge, no names have been exchanged between the Cubs and Rays, and the Rays just may hang on to him into the season. Even though field managers don’t have the final say on such things, Rays manager Joe Maddon said during the season that Garza would be pitching for Tampa Bay in 2011. As always, we shall see.

No names have been exchanged? It's been a month of "so if we were to trade Garza, what would you be willing to give up?" "Well before I answer that, let me ask you this. Say we want Graza, what would it take?"

 

 

Yeah, this part of trading has always fascinated me. What in the hell are you talking about, if you're not exchanging names?

[Electron Blue]

A Bruce Miles update:

 

No doubt you’ve read the talk about the Cubs and Tampa Bay’s Matt Garza. Several people I’ve talked to today said nothing is imminent on that. In fact, one Cubs operative said he was glad to read that they were the front-runners to land Garza because they didn’t know it.

Yes, the Cubs are interested in Garza, but to my knowledge, no names have been exchanged between the Cubs and Rays, and the Rays just may hang on to him into the season. Even though field managers don’t have the final say on such things, Rays manager Joe Maddon said during the season that Garza would be pitching for Tampa Bay in 2011. As always, we shall see.

No names have been exchanged? It's been a month of "so if we were to trade Garza, what would you be willing to give up?" "Well before I answer that, let me ask you this. Say we want Graza, what would it take?"

 

:-)