Cubs Acquire Garza for Archer, Lee, Guyer, Chirinos & Fuld

[dew1679666265]

It's really not much different than Lilly, and his HR stayed similar or even dropped. Toronto has a little more of a hitters park than Tampa, but Lilly had a significantly higher HR rate than Garza did.

 

Yeah, it's a concern but not one that he can't overcome. Much like with Lilly, as long as his stuff is good enough (which I fully believe it is) he just needs to make the right adjustments and he should be fine.

 

I didn't fully agree with the article, but figured it was worth posting.

[dew1679666265]

What is this whole "what optimistic Cub fans are ignoring" bit, anyway?

 

He's writing this article to make sure Cub fans don't get too optimistic? Who cares?

 

I don't think that's the point of his article. I don't really see a problem with the comment. He's a senior at Northwestern, so I'd bet he's heard Cub fans talk about how much better Garza will be with the Cubs and doesn't agree with them. Thus the "optimistic Cub fans" comment.

[questionmarkgrace]

It's really not much different than Lilly, and his HR stayed similar or even dropped. Toronto has a little more of a hitters park than Tampa, but Lilly had a significantly higher HR rate than Garza did.

 

 

Its probably just playing in the AL East that raises a pitchers flyball,HR rates, and conversely lowers the groundball rate not the ball park. Just a guess without looking at any stats.

[Soul]

He's got a point that's worthy of discussion, I think. But....I also immediately thought of Ted Lilly when I read his piece.

 

It's not necessarily going to translate badly. And Wrigley is not always a bad park for fly ball pitchers. Lots of people make the mistake of thinking this. It's a dynamic environment. Some days balls fly out, some days they die short of the warning track.

 

I'm not sure how this will translate with Garza. I guess we'll just have to see. But for sure, the idea that fly ball pitcher = failure at Wrigley doesn't wash.

[erik316wttn]

If Garza turns out to be Lilly or better, I think a lot of people will be happier about the trade.

[XZero771679666304]

He's got a point that's worthy of discussion, I think. But....I also immediately thought of Ted Lilly when I read his piece.

 

It's not necessarily going to translate badly. And Wrigley is not always a bad park for fly ball pitchers. Lots of people make the mistake of thinking this. It's a dynamic environment. Some days balls fly out, some days they die short of the warning track.

 

I'm not sure how this will translate with Garza. I guess we'll just have to see. But for sure, the idea that fly ball pitcher = failure at Wrigley doesn't wash.

 

It's feast or famine a lot of the time. Some days it plays like a band box, others like the Polo Grounds. There is a misconception the Wrigley is just a homer haven.

[shnsajax]

If Garza turns out to be Lilly or better, I think a lot of people will be happier about the trade.

 

I think there is a very good chance that Garza turns out to be better than Lilly, at worse he is a poor man's Lilly.

[erik316wttn]

He's got a point that's worthy of discussion, I think. But....I also immediately thought of Ted Lilly when I read his piece.

 

It's not necessarily going to translate badly. And Wrigley is not always a bad park for fly ball pitchers. Lots of people make the mistake of thinking this. It's a dynamic environment. Some days balls fly out, some days they die short of the warning track.

 

I'm not sure how this will translate with Garza. I guess we'll just have to see. But for sure, the idea that fly ball pitcher = failure at Wrigley doesn't wash.

 

It's feast or famine a lot of the time. Some days it plays like a band box, others like the Polo Grounds. There is a misconception the Wrigley is just a homer haven.

 

Wrigley used to have among the smallest dimensions in baseball, correct? But now with new stadiums popping up everywhere, Wrigley's actually pretty neutral now I think.

[Guest]

It's really not much different than Lilly, and his HR stayed similar or even dropped. Toronto has a little more of a hitters park than Tampa, but Lilly had a significantly higher HR rate than Garza did.

 

 

Its probably just playing in the AL East that raises a pitchers flyball,HR rates, and conversely lowers the groundball rate not the ball park. Just a guess without looking at any stats.

 

 

It's the repertoire and the way a pitcher pitches that generally raises flyball (or groundball) rates. The park (dimensions, weather condition, turf, etc.) has more to do with what the results of pitching for a lot of flyballs or groundballs would be.

[davell]

Heyman tweeted Garza agreed to 5.95 mill today I think anyway......Kind of odd wording in it.

[BCVM22]

1 year, $5.95 mil is indeed the correct amount for Garza's contract.

[Formerly Snayke]

If Garza turns out to be Lilly or better, I think a lot of people will be happier about the trade.

 

I think there is a very good chance that Garza turns out to be better than Lilly, at worse he is a poor man's Lilly.

 

He's a better value than Lilly, but probably a 3.5-win pitcher at best. That's about right for Lilly, too.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

He'll never be as awesome as Ted Lilly. Never. Those shoes are too big for one man to fill.

[MWV]

He'll never be as awesome as Ted Lilly. Never. Those shoes are too big for one man to fill.

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Godspeed, Ted Lilly.

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