Cubs Acquire Garza for Archer, Lee, Guyer, Chirinos & Fuld

[David]

Just heard.

 

Wonder what it would cost.

 

Edit - Matt Garza from TB.

 

Edit -

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/

Source: Cubs interested in Garza

December, 8, 2010

Dec 8

9:31

AM CT

 

 

By Bruce Levine

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- The Chicago Cubs are in the mix for Tampa Bay Rays right-handed pitcher Matt Garza. They are one of four teams talking to Tampa about a trade for the arbitration-eligible starting pitcher, according to a major league source.

 

Garza was 15-10 in 2010 with a 3.91 ERA in 32 starts.

 

Tampa Bay is interested in prospects in return, according to a source. The Cubs are known to have met with Tampa during these meetings as have numerous other teams.

 

Edited December 8, 2010 by David

[mookie]

HaHaHaHa. Zambrano part deux?

[jersey cubs fan]

Matt Garza? Arb eligible decent AL east pitcher whose peripherals look a little worse than his traditional numbers. Will they take Randy Wells for him to save money?

[David]

I wonder how much better he'd be in the NL Central, too.

[Guest]

He and Gorzelanny have a lot of similarities, but we're aggressively shopping one and trying to acquire the other?

[jersey cubs fan]

He and Gorzelanny have a lot of similarities, but we're aggressively shopping one and trying to acquire the other?

 

Garza won 15 games last year.

[Cubswin11]

Would they have interest in Chirinos? What's their catching situation majors/minors? Gorzo or Wells and Chirinos maybe?

[TheDude]

I wonder if the Cubs think they have another Lilly in Garza.

[Dr. Cub]

He and Gorzelanny have a lot of similarities, but we're aggressively shopping one and trying to acquire the other?

 

Garza won 15 games last year.

 

Awesome.

[sneakypower]

He and Gorzelanny have a lot of similarities, but we're aggressively shopping one and trying to acquire the other?

i fully understand what you're saying from a numbers standpoint, but from a scouting perspective there's little comparison between the two

[David]

Aren't Garza's numbers pretty damn good given the lineups he was regularly facing?

 

I have a really hard time thinking Gorz could do that.

[Post Count Padder]

Not a bad option, but why?

 

At least it's better that signing Kevin Milwood but I hope we don't have to give up any big pieces.

[sneakypower]

At least it's better that signing Kevin Milwood but I hope we don't have to give up any big pieces.

HARD TO ARGUE THERE

[Guest]

He and Gorzelanny have a lot of similarities, but we're aggressively shopping one and trying to acquire the other?

i fully understand what you're saying from a numbers standpoint, but from a scouting perspective there's little comparison between the two

 

Right, and even from a numbers standpoint Garza has a bit of a leg up. I just wish they'd value Gorzelanny properly.

[davell]

I'm in the minority on this one(hell, maybe even alone) but I think he's still got ace(or at least 2 starter) potential personally. Get him out of the AL East and I'm sure he'll be better in the NL Central. If we can get him without having to send any of our top 5 guys(B Jackson, Archer, McNutt, Lee, and Vitters) I'd do it.

[David]

I'd probably give up Vitters... hasn't his value diminished a whole lot?

[davell]

He and Gorzelanny have a lot of similarities, but we're aggressively shopping one and trying to acquire the other?

i fully understand what you're saying from a numbers standpoint, but from a scouting perspective there's little comparison between the two

 

Right, and even from a numbers standpoint Garza has a bit of a leg up. I just wish they'd value Gorzelanny properly.

 

 

Is there something out there making us think they aren't going to value Gorz if he's dealt?

[mookie]

I'm in the minority on this one(hell, maybe even alone) but I think he's still got ace(or at least 2 starter) potential personally. Get him out of the AL East and I'm sure he'll be better in the NL Central. If we can get him without having to send any of our top 5 guys(B Jackson, Archer, McNutt, Lee, and Vitters) I'd do it.

 

I agree with you. The guy is a lot like Big Z. He has great stuff, but has a hard time putting it all together. Boy has a big temper as well.

[davell]

I'd probably give up Vitters... hasn't his value diminished a whole lot?

 

Yeah it has. Probably to the point where we need to keep him and hope he rebuilds it some.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'd probably give up Vitters... hasn't his value diminished a whole lot?

 

For an arbitration eligible pitcher who isn't all that great? I don't like Vitters, but I would rather he be included in a deal for a guy that is more impressive. Plus, they might need him to start next season when they are clear out of corner hitters.

[Guest]

He and Gorzelanny have a lot of similarities, but we're aggressively shopping one and trying to acquire the other?

i fully understand what you're saying from a numbers standpoint, but from a scouting perspective there's little comparison between the two

 

Right, and even from a numbers standpoint Garza has a bit of a leg up. I just wish they'd value Gorzelanny properly.

 

 

Is there something out there making us think they aren't going to value Gorz if he's dealt?

 

Aggressively shopping him while pursuing a marginal upgrade elsewhere leads me to believe that they aren't, especially when popular perception works in line with that thinking too.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm in the minority on this one(hell, maybe even alone) but I think he's still got ace(or at least 2 starter) potential personally. Get him out of the AL East and I'm sure he'll be better in the NL Central. If we can get him without having to send any of our top 5 guys(B Jackson, Archer, McNutt, Lee, and Vitters) I'd do it.

 

I agree with you. The guy is a lot like Big Z. He has great stuff, but has a hard time putting it all together. Boy has a big temper as well.

 

Zambrano has done a hell of a lot more than him.

[javy knows my name]

I'm in the minority on this one(hell, maybe even alone) but I think he's still got ace(or at least 2 starter) potential personally. Get him out of the AL East and I'm sure he'll be better in the NL Central. If we can get him without having to send any of our top 5 guys(B Jackson, Archer, McNutt, Lee, and Vitters) I'd do it.

 

I agree with you. The guy is a lot like Big Z. He has great stuff, but has a hard time putting it all together. Boy has a big temper as well.

This guy doesn't have Z's stuff, does he?

[shnsajax]

He and Gorzelanny have a lot of similarities, but we're aggressively shopping one and trying to acquire the other?

 

Garza won 15 games last year.

 

Awesome.

 

Which made him tied for the 10th best pitcher in the AL.

 

I do like Garza though as long as we don't have to give up a ton for him. None of the top 3 prospects or Cashner.

[jersey cubs fan]

Wells and not much else.