Lous a freaking idiot Part 2 2009 season

[dew1679666265]

It comes down to this: Fox might hit enough to make up for his lack of defense. If he doesn't hit- a possibility that people seem to either ignore or dismiss- then he's a huge liability. If Fontenot/ Scales don't hit they can at least be counted on to not be a huge liability defensively.

 

This is a terrific point. I think he'll hit, but how well is still to be determined.

 

I expect to see Fox get at least 1 start at 3rd and Piniella will judge from that game whether he can take watching Fox play defense at 3rd.

 

In regards to his viability as a DH to an AL team, 30 MLB PAs would hardly change many minds unless he really rakes. The other thing to consider: how many AL teams need a RH DH? How many AL teams even have a full time DH anymore? I don't follow the AL very closely but it seems like a lot of teams have gone to the DH by committee approach so they can rest their starters without giving up their bats in the lineup.

 

If a team is already interested in him, 30 or so MLB PAs may help sell them a little more. He would have to rake, though.

 

And I think a team that really likes his bat might take a chance on him as a DH. I don't think his value will be as high as if he could play defense, but I still think he'd have decent enough value. Teams have, after all, had guys like Frank Thomas and others who were terrible defensively but could still hit at DH. You could also, in theory, plug Fox in at 1st on days you want to give your regular guy time off or put the regular at DH. I don't think his defense is abysmal there.

[Soul]

well putting Fox at 3B in the 9th inning of a one run game seems like a horrible idea, not that he had much choice.

 

He did have a choice: don't PH for Blanco. After Scales hits a HR the inning is basically starting from scratch. Why not let Blanco hit for himself and keep Blanco in a 1 run game for his defense? The Best Fox can do essentially leading off that inning is hit a game tying HR. Even if Blanco makes an out Fox is still in position to tie the game with a HR.

 

Why PH Fukudome and not Hoffpauir? Of the two, Hoffpauir seems more likely to hit that HR Piniella was looking for from Fox. By using Fukudome in that spot he can't PH for Reed against the RH reliever in the 9th for lack of a CF in case of extra innings.

 

I bet Piniella really sucks at chess because he doesn't seem to be able to think ahead at all.

 

If you're going to make the chess analogy, then the scenario you just described is like complaining over moving Pawn A to space B instead of Pawn B to space A. Either way, you're out of power pieces -- you're going to lose.

 

This club is so far away from the vision of what it was going to be when we headed into spring training, I'm having a difficult time blaming Lou for individual game decisions. It's a horrible club right now. We're fielding a minor league baseball team, to a large degree.

[SouthSideRyan]

Getting Marmol warmed up in the 9th was really unneccessary. Patton/Waddell should have pitched at some point. If they can't be trusted with a 7 run lead, they shouldn't be on the team.

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Getting Marmol warmed up in the 9th was really unneccessary. Patton/Waddell should have pitched at some point. If they can't be trusted with a 7 run lead, they shouldn't be on the team.

 

Even Buck and McCarver were saying you'd really like to not have to go to Marmol with a 7-run lead. No, you wouldn't. And you don't have to. Why carry 12 pitchers if you can't have mop up guys handle mop up duty?

[Guest]

Getting Marmol warmed up in the 9th was really unneccessary. Patton/Waddell should have pitched at some point. If they can't be trusted with a 7 run lead, they shouldn't be on the team.

 

Even Buck and McCarver were saying you'd really like to not have to go to Marmol with a 7-run lead. No, you wouldn't. And you don't have to. Why carry 12 pitchers if you can't have mop up guys handle mop up duty?

 

Lou was just doing it to give the Cubs a better chance to win today.

 

/McCarver

[Outshined_One]

Sean Marshall-S-Cubs May. 31 - 6:53 pm et

 

Cubs manager Lou Piniella said Sean Marshall would be placed into the bullpen following Rich Harden's return.

 

As suspected. Marshall has received a raw deal at every turn, and it's too bad the Cubs didn't trade him over the winter. He's a legitimate third or fourth starter, as he's demonstrated while posting a 3.83 ERA in his seven starts this season. Randy Wells will start over him for now.

Source: Arlington Heights Daily Herald

 

WHY.

[ISUCubsFan]

Sean Marshall-S-Cubs May. 31 - 6:53 pm et

 

Cubs manager Lou Piniella said Sean Marshall would be placed into the bullpen following Rich Harden's return.

 

As suspected. Marshall has received a raw deal at every turn, and it's too bad the Cubs didn't trade him over the winter. He's a legitimate third or fourth starter, as he's demonstrated while posting a 3.83 ERA in his seven starts this season. Randy Wells will start over him for now.

Source: Arlington Heights Daily Herald

 

WHY.

 

I guess I saw it coming, but I'm still not happy about it. Telling Marshall he's been demoted to the pen on the day of his start seems like a not so smart idea as well.

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here's marshall's game long in the next few weeks-

 

6/7- .1 IP, 0 ER

6/10- .1 IP, 1 ER (HR)

6/14- .2 IP, 0 ER

6/17- 0 IP, 0 ER

6/22- .2 IP, 0 ER

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Another tremendous night for our senile leader

[abuck1220]

sac bunting to set things up for the booming bats of andres blanco and koyie hill.

[TruffleShuffle]

sac bunting to set things up for the booming bats of andres blanco and koyie hill.

 

and burning a position player in the process. just terrible.

[Keener98]

Way to let Chipper Jones, future HOF'er, beat you Lou. Real smart dumbass

[Soonernation]

Way to let Chipper Jones, future HOF'er, beat you Lou. Real smart [expletive]

 

 

Must be some sort of unwritten baseball rule that you can't Intentionally Walk the same player 2x in a single game

[TruffleShuffle]

Way to let Chipper Jones, future HOF'er, beat you Lou. Real smart [expletive]

 

as someone mentioned in the game thread, lou overmanages ALL THE TIME, yet the one time he should issue a walk he pitches to him.

 

lou's bad in-game decisions and running off good pitchers like wuertz were easier to take when a significant portion of the team was overachieving and huge strides were being made in OBP. now most of the team is underperforming and the patience is sliding backward, so i'm not really sure what positives lou provides at this point.

[Guest]

Way to let Chipper Jones, future HOF'er, beat you Lou. Real smart [expletive]

 

 

Must be some sort of unwritten baseball rule that you can't Intentionally Walk the same player 2x in a single game

 

Walking him allowed for the force at 2nd base, and considering you have 2 guys playing 3rd and short that can't get a ball to 1b on the fly, setting up the force at 2nd with a crippled Chipper in there might have made just a little bit of sense.

 

But, that would be giving this management team way too much credit for them to come up with on their own.

[CUBZ99]

Did i miss something in regard to Wells tonight? He gave up the one HR, then the next play should have been an easy out, then Lou takes him out? Its not like he had a high pitch count or was getting hit hard all night. Lou with the knee jerk reaction to go to the 2nd or 3rd worst pen in the NL.

[Guest]

Did i miss something in regard to Wells tonight? He gave up the one HR, then the next play should have been an easy out, then Lou takes him out? Its not like he had a high pitch count or was getting hit hard all night. Lou with the knee jerk reaction to go to the 2nd or 3rd worst pen in the NL.

 

There was nothing wrong with Wells. Lou saw a save opp first and foremost. Can't let the young kid go on when there are saves to be had.

[Soul]

Did i miss something in regard to Wells tonight? He gave up the one HR, then the next play should have been an easy out, then Lou takes him out? Its not like he had a high pitch count or was getting hit hard all night. Lou with the knee jerk reaction to go to the 2nd or 3rd worst pen in the NL.

 

Yeah I think he took him out after the botched Lee play, right?

 

Then Marmol comes in and starts walking the world again. Nice job tonight on all fronts. Good job ruining a great starting performance, you [expletive] douchebags.

[NCCubFan]

Can't let the young kid go on when there are saves to be blown.

Fixed.

[Keener98]

Ok another game, another beauty from our manager. Why was Fox allowed to bat in the 8th inning against Weathers? Yea he hit a sac fly(barely) but when Fuku and Hoff are still on your bench there is no reason for Fox to face the Rh pitcher Weathers. Also, had Lou taken Marshall out in the 10th when he had Ascanio warming up, omg I would have went ballistic. There really was no reason for Ascanio to be warming up. Many people may say Im nitpicking, but its not nitpicking when the same stuff keeps happening over and over again.

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Ok another game, another beauty from our manager. Why was Fox allowed to bat in the 8th inning against Weathers? Yea he hit a sac fly(barely) but when Fuku and Hoff are still on your bench there is no reason for Fox to face the Rh pitcher Weathers. Also, had Lou taken Marshall out in the 10th when he had Ascanio warming up, omg I would have went ballistic. There really was no reason for Ascanio to be warming up. Many people may say Im nitpicking, but its not nitpicking when the same stuff keeps happening over and over again.

 

Leaving Fox in was the right move. Rhodes was ready in the pen if they brought in Fuku or Hoffpauir. I like Fox vs a righty much better than Fuku or Hoff against a lefty that has been dominant this season.

[Keener98]

Ok another game, another beauty from our manager. Why was Fox allowed to bat in the 8th inning against Weathers? Yea he hit a sac fly(barely) but when Fuku and Hoff are still on your bench there is no reason for Fox to face the Rh pitcher Weathers. Also, had Lou taken Marshall out in the 10th when he had Ascanio warming up, omg I would have went ballistic. There really was no reason for Ascanio to be warming up. Many people may say Im nitpicking, but its not nitpicking when the same stuff keeps happening over and over again.

 

Leaving Fox in was the right move. Rhodes was ready in the pen if they brought in Fuku or Hoffpauir. I like Fox vs a righty much better than Fuku or Hoff against a lefty that has been dominant this season.

 

 

Regardless of Lou not allowing Fuku to start vs leftys this year, hes hit them well this year. Plus Bradley was still on the bench wasnt he?

[Derwood]

Ok another game, another beauty from our manager. Why was Fox allowed to bat in the 8th inning against Weathers? Yea he hit a sac fly(barely) but when Fuku and Hoff are still on your bench there is no reason for Fox to face the Rh pitcher Weathers. Also, had Lou taken Marshall out in the 10th when he had Ascanio warming up, omg I would have went ballistic. There really was no reason for Ascanio to be warming up. Many people may say Im nitpicking, but its not nitpicking when the same stuff keeps happening over and over again.

 

Leaving Fox in was the right move. Rhodes was ready in the pen if they brought in Fuku or Hoffpauir. I like Fox vs a righty much better than Fuku or Hoff against a lefty that has been dominant this season.

 

 

Regardless of Lou not allowing Fuku to start vs leftys this year, hes hit them well this year. Plus Bradley was still on the bench wasnt he?

 

no, Bradley had a 1 pitch out earlier in the game

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Ok another game, another beauty from our manager. Why was Fox allowed to bat in the 8th inning against Weathers? Yea he hit a sac fly(barely) but when Fuku and Hoff are still on your bench there is no reason for Fox to face the Rh pitcher Weathers. Also, had Lou taken Marshall out in the 10th when he had Ascanio warming up, omg I would have went ballistic. There really was no reason for Ascanio to be warming up. Many people may say Im nitpicking, but its not nitpicking when the same stuff keeps happening over and over again.

 

Leaving Fox in was the right move. Rhodes was ready in the pen if they brought in Fuku or Hoffpauir. I like Fox vs a righty much better than Fuku or Hoff against a lefty that has been dominant this season.

 

 

Regardless of Lou not allowing Fuku to start vs leftys this year, hes hit them well this year.

 

He has 6 at-bats vs lefties this season

[fivepercent]

Ok another game, another beauty from our manager. Why was Fox allowed to bat in the 8th inning against Weathers? Yea he hit a sac fly(barely) but when Fuku and Hoff are still on your bench there is no reason for Fox to face the Rh pitcher Weathers. Also, had Lou taken Marshall out in the 10th when he had Ascanio warming up, omg I would have went ballistic. There really was no reason for Ascanio to be warming up. Many people may say Im nitpicking, but its not nitpicking when the same stuff keeps happening over and over again.

 

Leaving Fox in was the right move. Rhodes was ready in the pen if they brought in Fuku or Hoffpauir. I like Fox vs a righty much better than Fuku or Hoff against a lefty that has been dominant this season.

 

exactly.