Rich Hill traded to Baltimore for PTBNL

[cubsfan26]

So let me get this straight - the Orioles end up with Pie and Hill, and we are not getting Brian Roberts?

 

Hindsight is great, but if Hendry trades Pie/Hill for Roberts a year ago, most fans on this board would have demanded Hendry to be fired on the spot. Guys lose value, when a pitcher walks a batter per inning(and keeps doing it in the minors and winter league), and a outfielder struggles to hit big league pitching for the second year in the row, and has a average year in Triple A. Being out of options also hurts, if Pie/Hill still have options left, Hendry doesn't trade either guy right now.

 

 

What a terrible off season. So much for "winning now."

 

There has to be some kind of catch. There is no way that a ML GM is this big of an idiot

 

Trading Hill hurts winning now, did you really expect him to be on the team in 09? Terrible offseason? No Gm can be this big of an idiot? Nice overreaction, sometimes I wonder if people are doing it on purpose to be funny? I'm I missing out on a joke or something around here? Nobody can be patient and see if these moves are good or not, they already judged them as bad. When many of the same people were wrong about Hendry moves the past two years. But whatever people can say whatever they want. Maybe someday these threads will be as funny to read as the Mark DeRosa, Ted Lilly, Jason Marquis, Jim Edmonds signing threads were or Ryan Dempster moved to the rotation thread was.

[Butterscup1679666578]

maybe it's Cal Ripken Jr in his prime

 

I think I'd take Cal Ripken Jr now. Put him at 2nd.

[blangen]

Hill was our 2nd best starter in 2007, but since then has completely broke down. His star has fallen, if he ever even had one. The fact that Hendry can sell our once top prospects at all shows to me his ability to move on and not dwell on what once was. As much as I hate to see these guys crash and burn in our pinstripes, it happened. There's nothing more we can do. Our hand was forced in this situation and Hendry will now make the most of a bad situation. We can't focus on what he failed to make of Hill/Pie/Cedeno, because these things happen from time to time.

 

Also, while I would have liked to see Hill try to fight for the 5th starter spot in ST, or even a relief spot, his track record over the past 9 months has been unbelievably awful (btw, is Cotts capable to be our lefty next year? I know we have good RH relievers to face lefties, but I still find this a glaring problem).

 

If this is really it, I wish him the best. I'll never forget when I first got HDTV and saw Hill and Marquis sitting next to each other on the bench clearly hungover on their off days. Good times.

[Clem Fandango]

Maybe Leo Mazzone can prove his worth and make him good instead of pretending he's the best by riding on the coat tails of incredible natural talent.

[cubsfan26]

The Orioles will likely give up a player to be named who could be contingent on Hill's success in Baltimore.

 

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-orioles0129,0,3367706.story

 

 

So lets all hope Hill is decent enough in spring training to make their rotation, so we can get a better prospect in return. Then of course he could lose his control again in May, and be released for all I care.

[RedFlash]

Maybe Leo Mazzone can prove his worth and make him good instead of pretending he's the best by riding on the coat tails of incredible natural talent.

 

Leo hasn't been the pitching coach of Baltimore in what..........two yrs or so.

[cubsfan26]

Maybe Leo Mazzone can prove his worth and make him good instead of pretending he's the best by riding on the coat tails of incredible natural talent.

 

 

Leo isn't the Orioles pitching coach anymore. Former Cubs Triple A pitching coach Rick Kranitz is now the Orioles pitching coach. I recall Rich Hill saying Kranitz was the guy who helped him figure things out in 2006, after he was sent back to Triple A. So that mixed with MacPhail probably being a big fan of Hill(wanted him for Roberts a year ago), makes me feel the Orioles wanted him alot. The Orioles are hoping that Hill working with Krantiz again will help fix his control issues. So I'm hoping that MacPhail was willing to overpaid a little bit to get the Cubs to send them Hill.

Edited January 30, 2009 by cubsfan26

[Clem Fandango]

Goes to show you how much I follow Orioles baseball. Whoops

[soapy]

tough situation for Hendry, really. considering how low Hill's value is right now, i think i would have brought him into spring training and hoped for a miracle. having said that, i can't really blame Hendry for trying to get something for him, i guess. if he didn't land in the rotation or bullpen out of spring training, he was gone for nothing.

 

as much as i hate to give up on him, Hill didn't do anything at the end of last year or in the summer league to demonstrate he might come out of his funk.

 

this blows. what might have been...

[Little Slide Rooter]

tough situation for Hendry, really. considering how low Hill's value is right now, i think i would have brought him into spring training and hoped for a miracle. having said that, i can't really blame Hendry for trying to get something for him, i guess. if he didn't land in the rotation or bullpen out of spring training, he was gone for nothing.

 

as much as i hate to give up on him, Hill didn't do anything at the end of last year or in the summer league to demonstrate he might come out of his funk.

 

this blows. what might have been...

 

The point is it's worth the risk. PTBNLs are rarely worth anything, just some AAer. Id just assume risk giving him another chance and hope for that miracle, and risk getting nothing as opposed to just giving up on him and getting some 28 year old AA middle infielder.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Hill can't throw the ball in the ocean right now, using him on an irregular reliever's schedule sure isn't going to fix things, and the one thing we're not short on is 5th starter candidates with upside and question marks. If you think he's just going to humiliate himself more in Mesa, then trade him now. And remember that the further ST progresses, the less you get for Hill as the clock ticks toward the time they have to make a decision. In the end, what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't matter.

 

What are we really risking by giving him that chance? Best case scenerio, he finds his control, and we suddenly have a stacked rotation. Worst case scenerio, hes as bad as he was last year, we lose him, and dont get some career minor leaguer in return.

[soapy]

tough situation for Hendry, really. considering how low Hill's value is right now, i think i would have brought him into spring training and hoped for a miracle. having said that, i can't really blame Hendry for trying to get something for him, i guess. if he didn't land in the rotation or bullpen out of spring training, he was gone for nothing.

 

as much as i hate to give up on him, Hill didn't do anything at the end of last year or in the summer league to demonstrate he might come out of his funk.

 

this blows. what might have been...

 

The point is it's worth the risk. PTBNLs are rarely worth anything, just some AAer. Id just assume risk giving him another chance and hope for that miracle, and risk getting nothing as opposed to just giving up on him and getting some 28 year old AA middle infielder.

 

so would i, but i can also see where Hendry is coming from on this.

[Little Slide Rooter]

tough situation for Hendry, really. considering how low Hill's value is right now, i think i would have brought him into spring training and hoped for a miracle. having said that, i can't really blame Hendry for trying to get something for him, i guess. if he didn't land in the rotation or bullpen out of spring training, he was gone for nothing.

 

as much as i hate to give up on him, Hill didn't do anything at the end of last year or in the summer league to demonstrate he might come out of his funk.

 

this blows. what might have been...

 

The point is it's worth the risk. PTBNLs are rarely worth anything, just some AAer. Id just assume risk giving him another chance and hope for that miracle, and risk getting nothing as opposed to just giving up on him and getting some 28 year old AA middle infielder.

 

so would i, but i can also see where Hendry is coming from on this.

 

I hear you. It seems like more of a case of saving face than anything. The again, If Pie and Hill both do great, and Bradley gets injured, and Gregg sucks, Hendrys aproval rating will hit an all time low, and thats saying a lot, especially around here.

[MPC]

does hendry know there are more than 3 other teams in the major league baseball?

[Backtobanks]

So let me get this straight - the Orioles end up with Pie and Hill, and we are not getting Brian Roberts?

 

Sweet, tap-dancing Julio.

 

What a terrible off season. So much for "winning now."

 

There has to be some kind of catch. There is no way that a ML GM is this big of an idiot.

 

We gave up Pie and Hill, both of whom were two minutes from being released, and we didn't get Brian Roberts. We should have added Sam Fuld to the package and they might have added Markakis as a throw-in.

[cubbinalltheway]

not sure where i read it, it was right around the convention though.

 

that really doesn't sound like something hendry would say.... or any GM for that matter

well, not sure what to tell you. he said it. i read it on cubs.com.

[fromthestretch]

not sure where i read it, it was right around the convention though.

 

that really doesn't sound like something hendry would say.... or any GM for that matter

well, not sure what to tell you. he said it. i read it on cubs.com.

 

He didn't quite say it the way you put it.

 

This is what he said:

 

"Rich has gone from a very quality starter in the National League to having a disastrous-type season," Hendry said of the lefty, who led the Cubs in strikeouts and won 11 games in 2007 but struggled last season. "In winter ball, he was very up and down again. This is the big leagues. You've got to earn what you get."

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090114&content_id=3744406&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

[cubbinalltheway]

i know for a fact i read the "he had his chance and he blew it" quote somewhere. proving it to some random person on nsbb isnt worth the effort of trying to find it, so believe me or don't -- it really doesnt matter. i remember it because it was so surprising to see him say though.

[fromthestretch]

i know for a fact i read the "he had his chance and he blew it" quote somewhere. proving it to some random person on nsbb isnt worth the effort of trying to find it, so believe me or don't -- it really doesnt matter. i remember it because it was so surprising to see him say though.

 

If you saw it on cubs.com, it was most likely on the message board. Otherwise, you're either mistaken about the quote or where you saw it. A keyword search of cubs.com for the phrase "blew it" yields no results.

[cubbinalltheway]

i know for a fact i read the "he had his chance and he blew it" quote somewhere. proving it to some random person on nsbb isnt worth the effort of trying to find it, so believe me or don't -- it really doesnt matter. i remember it because it was so surprising to see him say though.

 

If you saw it on cubs.com, it was most likely on the message board. Otherwise, you're either mistaken about the quote or where you saw it. A keyword search of cubs.com for the phrase "blew it" yields no results.

i dont read the cubs.com message board, so that's not it.

 

a quick google search leads me to this halfway down the page on this link...

 

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/1/19/728137/cubs-clearinghouse-rich-hi

 

so it would've been in the 1/18 trib... which makes sense, as i buy the trib every sunday.

[BigbadB]

does hendry know there are more than 3 other teams in the major league baseball?

 

This.

 

Hey Jim, We get it. You used to work for Andy MacPhail. That doesn't mean every trade has to be with him.

[TheDude]

Another 'what could have been' for the Cubs. It's amazing to think that the Cubs have had 3/4 of their homegrown starter stars' (Prior, Wood, Zambrano, and Hill) careers altered by injuries and oddities. All of these guys at their peak were #1/#2 starters.

[Bote McBoteface]

pie and hills value isnt nearly as high as it was last offseason. you cant fault hendry here guys

 

You get out of here with your petty logic, mister! [-X

[CubColtPacer]

Hill can't throw the ball in the ocean right now, using him on an irregular reliever's schedule sure isn't going to fix things, and the one thing we're not short on is 5th starter candidates with upside and question marks. If you think he's just going to humiliate himself more in Mesa, then trade him now. And remember that the further ST progresses, the less you get for Hill as the clock ticks toward the time they have to make a decision. In the end, what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't matter.

 

What are we really risking by giving him that chance? Best case scenerio, he finds his control, and we suddenly have a stacked rotation. Worst case scenerio, hes as bad as he was last year, we lose him, and dont get some career minor leaguer in return.

 

The best case scenario now is that Hill finds his location, but it's sometime during the season while the Orioles remain patient with him. That's also much more likely to happen then him suddenly figuring it out in Spring Training. The Cubs potentially get a decent prospect because he figures it out, but they didn't have the luxury of pitching him in the major leagues until he possibly did.

[SCCubbieFAN]

The ability of a GM and his scout staff to have the foresight to know when to sell high on a prospect or young player or keep that player hoping his success will be sustained long term is probably the most difficult task a GM faces. Hendry's and his scouts' failure in this regard is my biggest criticism of his administration.