CC Sabathia Traded to Brewers (for LaPorta + Prospects)

[badnews]

Gamel or LaPorta alone is worth more than Ceda, Veal, and Cedeno. People just can't figure out that quality trumps quantity.

[Derwood]

i've long since resigned myself to the fact that the Cubs aren't getting Sabathia. you should all try it, it makes your July far less stressful

[Little Slide Rooter]

I agree with Rosenthal that if the Brewers put LaPorta and Escobar in the deal, there's not another to team who can or will compete with that.

 

Thats a hell of a risk for a rent-a-player who may or may not get them into the postseason. After Braun, Fielder, Hart, their lineup just isnt that god, and their pen is awful. The Brewers are going to have to prepare for life after Sheets next year. It might not be a good idea to give up 2 of your top prospects, one whose one of the top in the game for a guy who MIGHT help them get into the playoffs.

[JeffH]

Randy Wolf, come on down!

[Derwood]

i'm not at all convinced that CC puts the Brewers into the playoffs

[NCCubFan]

Randy Wolf, come on down!

Randy Wolf, stay away. The Cubs should only trade for a pitcher if he's actually an improvement over what they already have.

[JWCUB]

Harden or Burnett? Those should be the only 2 options.

[davell]

I'd take Harden, Bedard, or Burnett(in that order actually) out of the guys who are mentioned a lot as far as being on the market possibly. Assuming that the Brewers trump whatever we can offer for CC obviously, which it looks like they're going to.

 

What about Tim Hudson though? The Braves probably aren't adding this year, I wish Hendry would look into this option anyway.

[Outshined_One]

What about Tim Hudson though? The Braves probably aren't adding this year, I wish Hendry would look into this option anyway.

 

He'd probably want his 2010 option picked up, but that's not a bad idea. Hudson would be a better option than Burnett and Harden.

[JeffH]

Randy Wolf, come on down!

Randy Wolf, stay away. The Cubs should only trade for a pitcher if he's actually an improvement over what they already have.

 

Agreed, but I'm afraid we're all going to be massively disappointed.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

What about Tim Hudson though? The Braves probably aren't adding this year, I wish Hendry would look into this option anyway.

 

He'd probably want his 2010 option picked up, but that's not a bad idea. Hudson would be a better option than Burnett and Harden.

 

If the Braves were sellers, Hudson would be very intriguing. That beings said, I don't expect the Braves to put Hudson on the market.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Randy Wolf, come on down!

Randy Wolf, stay away. The Cubs should only trade for a pitcher if he's actually an improvement over what they already have.

 

Agreed, but I'm afraid we're all going to be massively disappointed.

 

Every year Hendry does something whether the Cubs are in contention or not, and whether its a worth while deal or not

 

2003-Ramirez and Lofton-got us to the playoffs and shaped the future.

2004-Nomar-sounded great on paper. The final piece to a perfect team.

2005-Matt Lawton. kind of a break even type of deal.

2006-We were sellers, Maddux for Izturis, plus the evacuations of Walker, Neifi, and the recently aquired Nevin.

2007-Jason Kendall, although it was before the deadline, and then Monroe later on. Another break even type of deal.

 

History tells s something will be done. The question is, will it be to help or just for the sake of doing something. Personlly, I'm expecting him to pull another rabbit out of a hat '03 and '04 style.

[Post Count Padder]

Get on the ball Jimbo. Do something!

[Little Slide Rooter]

The question is, what tradeable prospects to we actually have? I mean those that could turn some interest. Heres a short list I was able to come up with between Iowa and Tennessee. We have some intriguing A prospects, but it's too early for them to be anything other than throw ins.

 

Iowa

Jeff Samardzija

Kevin Hart

Casey McGhee

Eric Patterson

Felix Pie

Micah Hoffpauir

Josh Kroeger might have some throw in value

 

Tennessee

Jose Ceda

Donnie Veal

Wellington Castillo

Tyler Colvin

Jake Fox or Matt Craig might have some throw in value.

 

Some A players that could be worth something include Vitters, Ridling, Flaherty, Pawelek, Rhee, Marquez Smith even Ryan Harvey might still have some value. Hes only 23. Im sure theres a few more out there. Again, with A players, it's too much of a gamble for other teams to have too much interst, although if we package Vitters with some other prospects, that could very well land us something.

 

We basically have no Gamels or Laportas to offer. Again, we'll have to rely more on quantity than quality, and we can aford to. Unlike the Brewers, the Cubs are an organization that can afford to build with free agents and worry about draft picks later.

[RammyFanny]

The question is, what tradeable prospects to we actually have? I mean those that could turn some interest. Heres a short list I was able to come up with between Iowa and Tennessee. We have some intriguing A prospects, but it's too early for them to be anything other than throw ins.

 

Iowa

Jeff Samardzija

Kevin Hart

Casey McGhee

Eric Patterson

Felix Pie

Micah Hoffpauir

Josh Kroeger might have some throw in value

 

Tennessee

Jose Ceda

Donnie Veal

Wellington Castillo

Tyler Colvin

Jake Fox or Matt Craig might have some throw in value.

 

Some A players that could be worth something include Vitters, Ridling, Flaherty, Pawelek, Rhee, Marquez Smith even Ryan Harvey might still have some value. Hes only 23. Im sure theres a few more out there. Again, with A players, it's too much of a gamble for other teams to have too much interst, although if we package Vitters with some other prospects, that could very well land us something.

 

We basically have no Gamels or Laportas to offer. Again, we'll have to rely more on quantity than quality, and we can aford to. Unlike the Brewers, the Cubs are an organization that can afford to build with free agents and worry about draft picks later.

 

Shark has a NTC.

 

And newly drafted players can't be traded yet (unless PTNBL), and neither can Vitters unless he's a PTNBL which would be awkward considering he would likely know he's been traded but still have to play in our organization until he can be traded.

 

Throw Gallagher in there as well, even though he's up with the club. And Cedeno, Murton, Hill.

[Joe_Cub]

Throw Gallagher in there as well, even though he's up with the club. And Cedeno, Murton, Hill.

 

include Soto. not saying he should be dealt, but he's the obvious high-value rookie type if you're making lists.

[Butterscup1679666578]

If the Cubs don't get CC, I don't think they'll get any of the Big 3. Harden will cost too much and they just don't seem to be interested in Burnett for whatever reason.

[anabiono]

well...this is a bit of a depressing read this morning...

[Outshined_One]

Throw Gallagher in there as well, even though he's up with the club. And Cedeno, Murton, Hill.

 

include Soto. not saying he should be dealt, but he's the obvious high-value rookie type if you're making lists.

 

Don't forget Theriot.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Why isnt Bedard getting consideration? Seattle is 18 out of first and arent going anywhere. Bedard is arbitration eligible in 2009, an I dont know what they plan on doing. I wonder if the Cubs offered to take on the remainder of Sexsons contract as part of the deal as the Red Sox did with Lowell to land Becket that might incline them to send him our way.

[davell]

I read somewhere this morning that IF Seattle were to trade Bedard, they'd want the same type package they gave up for him. Is he worth that much, especially right now? Nah, not really. Would he be worth that much to the Cubs and their postseason hopes? Honestly, it's hard for me to say.

 

Without looking to see exactly what all they gave up for him, I know Jones, Tillman, and Sherrill were in the deal, along with a few others too, if I remember correctly.

 

Jones had/has more value than Pie. Honestly, I figure most GM's would be thinking of trying to steal him from us at this point, instead of using him as a main piece in a trade.

 

I'd say Gallagher and Tillman are probably equal values at this point. Sean's value has certainly gone up since the winter anyway.

 

Sherrill would have more value than someone like a Wuertz, but not as much as someone like a Ceda most likely.

 

Would Pie/Gallagher/Ceda be enough or too much to get Bedard?

 

I'm partially asking this because I also read somewhere this morning that it would take a Haren-esque package to pry Harden away from the A's.

[PackLandVA]

And do what with Sexson?

[Little Slide Rooter]

I read somewhere this morning that IF Seattle were to trade Bedard, they'd want the same type package they gave up for him. Is he worth that much, especially right now? Nah, not really. Would he be worth that much to the Cubs and their postseason hopes? Honestly, it's hard for me to say.

 

Without looking to see exactly what all they gave up for him, I know Jones, Tillman, and Sherrill were in the deal, along with a few others too, if I remember correctly.

 

Jones had/has more value than Pie. Honestly, I figure most GM's would be thinking of trying to steal him from us at this point, instead of using him as a main piece in a trade.

 

I'd say Gallagher and Tillman are probably equal values at this point. Sean's value has certainly gone up since the winter anyway.

 

Sherrill would have more value than someone like a Wuertz, but not as much as someone like a Ceda most likely.

 

Would Pie/Gallagher/Ceda be enough or too much to get Bedard?

 

I'm partially asking this because I also read somewhere this morning that it would take a Haren-esque package to pry Harden away from the A's.

 

It might be a bit to much, but it all depends on how much were willing to move. I think Pie, Ceda, and Marshall would be a better deal. Of course if Seattle insisted on Gallagher as a deal breaker, Id have trouble saying no, specially if the Brewers were to land CC.

[Little Slide Rooter]

And do what with Sexson?

 

Ward/Sexson would be a nice little combination off the bench as Ward/Floyd was last year.

[ZMovieman]

I have to agree with Derwood. The Brewers trading for a rental of Sabathia doesn't necessarily put them in the playoffs. Think about it. A pitcher pitches every 5th game, so an impact pitcher only gives you so many games advantage of the course of the regular season. Impact pitchers have the most value when you are in the playoffs. A position player upgrade theoretically could propel them into the playoffs more than a starter because the position player plays every day. So a trade for Sabathia would make the most impact for a division leader who needs more pitching than a team trying to catch up. Clearly, he'd help the Brewers, but it's assuming a bit of a risk because it doesn't "guarantee" a playoff spot.