CC Sabathia Traded to Brewers (for LaPorta + Prospects)

[shnsajax]

Assume for a second that we know for a fact that we CANNOT re-sign CC. Assume that he is ASSURED to sign with someone else after the season.

 

Would everyone still do this deal as talked about?

 

Yes!

[soapy]

Assume for a second that we know for a fact that we CANNOT re-sign CC. Assume that he is ASSURED to sign with someone else after the season.

 

Would everyone still do this deal as talked about?

 

maybe. what do you mean by "as talked about"?

 

generally speaking, this is one of the few times i would be more inclined to say yes, i'd do it (depending on what you're talking about). the Cubs have a closing window and are quite possibly a front-line starter away from being head and shoulders above everyone else.

[Mizzou]

Assume for a second that we know for a fact that we CANNOT re-sign CC. Assume that he is ASSURED to sign with someone else after the season.

 

Would everyone still do this deal as talked about?

Absolutely. The Cubs are in a great position to win it all this year. Adding one of the best pitchers in baseball to this rotation would make it even more likely.

[Banedon]

Assume for a second that we know for a fact that we CANNOT re-sign CC. Assume that he is ASSURED to sign with someone else after the season.

 

Would everyone still do this deal as talked about?

 

maybe. what do you mean by "as talked about"?

 

generally speaking, this is one of the few times i would be more inclined to say yes, i'd do it (depending on what you're talking about). the Cubs have a closing window and are quite possibly a front-line starter away from being head and shoulders above everyone else.

 

I meant the Cedeno, Gallagher, 2 top prospects suggestion by Levine.

[apete6]

Marmol, Cedeno, and Marshall for Sabathia and Betancourt?

[apete6]

Marmol, Cedeno, and Marshall for Sabathia and Kobayashi?

 

Fixed. I didn't realize Betancourt sucked so bad this year until I checked his stats.

 

By the way, did you know Casey Blake is making $6 million this year? That seems high.

[inari]

Assume for a second that we know for a fact that we CANNOT re-sign CC. Assume that he is ASSURED to sign with someone else after the season.

 

Would everyone still do this deal as talked about?

 

maybe. what do you mean by "as talked about"?

 

generally speaking, this is one of the few times i would be more inclined to say yes, i'd do it (depending on what you're talking about). the Cubs have a closing window and are quite possibly a front-line starter away from being head and shoulders above everyone else.

 

I meant the Cedeno, Gallagher, 2 top prospects suggestion by Levine.

 

Absolutely would do the deal.

 

So, who wants to photoshop some pictures of CC as a Cub?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Here's what Rosenthal says about the Cubs and Sabathia.

 

The prevailing wisdom is that the Cubs' farm system isn't deep enough for them to land a pitcher such as Sabathia, but rating prospects often is tricky. Not long ago, center fielder Felix Pie and left-hander Rich Hill were two of the Cubs' top youngsters. Neither has become the player the club envisioned, while catcher Geovany Soto, shortstop Ryan Theriot and reliever Carlos Marmol — a converted catcher/outfielder — have greatly exceeded expectations . . .

 

Link.

[soapy]

Assume for a second that we know for a fact that we CANNOT re-sign CC. Assume that he is ASSURED to sign with someone else after the season.

 

Would everyone still do this deal as talked about?

 

maybe. what do you mean by "as talked about"?

 

generally speaking, this is one of the few times i would be more inclined to say yes, i'd do it (depending on what you're talking about). the Cubs have a closing window and are quite possibly a front-line starter away from being head and shoulders above everyone else.

 

I meant the Cedeno, Gallagher, 2 top prospects suggestion by Levine.

 

yes, I would probably do that.

[CubColtPacer]

Marmol, Cedeno, and Marshall for Sabathia and Kobayashi?

 

Fixed. I didn't realize Betancourt sucked so bad this year until I checked his stats.

 

By the way, did you know Casey Blake is making $6 million this year? That seems high.

 

There's no way that even gets the Indians to the table. Marmol, Cedeno, and Marshall doesn't even get close to netting Sabathia, let alone Kobayashi as well.

 

I would not make the deal if C.C was not going to sign with us. That's assuming the deal was Gallagher, Cedeno, two top prospects (who I will fill in as Vitters and Veal).

 

Never mind-I've changed my mind. The two draft picks are enough compensation to make having a great rental worth it for that price. I'd reluctantly do that deal.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

There's no way that even gets the Indians to the table. Marmol, Cedeno, and Marshall doesn't even get close to netting Sabathia, let alone Kobayashi as well.

 

Really? It's better than the alternative of letting him walk. It might not beat out other offers, but it's hardly a ridiculous offer.

[SCCubbieFAN]

I'm a firm believer that when a team is poised to go to the post season and have a good chance to go all the way as the Cubs are this year, you do what is necessary to ensure as best as possible that it happens. If that means parting with some top prospects/players to obtain a difference maker, you do it, even if the difference maker turns out to be a rental. The Cubs stood pat in 2003 IIRC and I think that, more than their foibles in game 6, cost them going to the WS. I think Gallagher has a promising future but if it means getting CC for the stretch run, you trade him for a GOOD chance to end 100 years of Cub fan suffering.

[CubColtPacer]

I'm a firm believer that when a team is poised to go to the post season and have a good chance to go all the way as the Cubs are this year, you do what is necessary to ensure as best as possible that it happens. If that means parting with some top prospects/players to obtain a difference maker, you do it, even if the difference maker turns out to be a rental. The Cubs stood pat in 2003 IIRC and I think that, more than their foibles in game 6, cost them going to the WS. I think Gallagher has a promising future but if it means getting CC for the stretch run, you trade him for a GOOD chance to end 100 years of Cub fan suffering.

 

The Cubs didn't stand pat in 03. Kenny Lofton, Aramis Ramirez, and Randall Simon were all added for the stretch run.

[SCCubbieFAN]

I'm a firm believer that when a team is poised to go to the post season and have a good chance to go all the way as the Cubs are this year, you do what is necessary to ensure as best as possible that it happens. If that means parting with some top prospects/players to obtain a difference maker, you do it, even if the difference maker turns out to be a rental. The Cubs stood pat in 2003 IIRC and I think that, more than their foibles in game 6, cost them going to the WS. I think Gallagher has a promising future but if it means getting CC for the stretch run, you trade him for a GOOD chance to end 100 years of Cub fan suffering.

 

The Cubs didn't stand pat in 03. Kenny Lofton, Aramis Ramirez, and Randall Simon were all added for the stretch run.

 

 

I was thinking more in terms of pitching. I do recall Lofton & Simon being added late in the year but I'm not sure I would consider them difference makers. when was Ramirez acquired?

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm a firm believer that when a team is poised to go to the post season and have a good chance to go all the way as the Cubs are this year, you do what is necessary to ensure as best as possible that it happens. If that means parting with some top prospects/players to obtain a difference maker, you do it, even if the difference maker turns out to be a rental. The Cubs stood pat in 2003 IIRC and I think that, more than their foibles in game 6, cost them going to the WS. I think Gallagher has a promising future but if it means getting CC for the stretch run, you trade him for a GOOD chance to end 100 years of Cub fan suffering.

 

The Cubs didn't stand pat in 03. Kenny Lofton, Aramis Ramirez, and Randall Simon were all added for the stretch run.

 

Exactamundo.

 

Stretch run acquisitions are grossly overrated. You build the team that decides how far you are going to go in November and December. Midseason deals don't make much of a difference.

[Banedon]

I'm a firm believer that when a team is poised to go to the post season and have a good chance to go all the way as the Cubs are this year, you do what is necessary to ensure as best as possible that it happens. If that means parting with some top prospects/players to obtain a difference maker, you do it, even if the difference maker turns out to be a rental. The Cubs stood pat in 2003 IIRC and I think that, more than their foibles in game 6, cost them going to the WS. I think Gallagher has a promising future but if it means getting CC for the stretch run, you trade him for a GOOD chance to end 100 years of Cub fan suffering.

 

The Cubs didn't stand pat in 03. Kenny Lofton, Aramis Ramirez, and Randall Simon were all added for the stretch run.

 

And Jose Hernandez! Well...until he was included in the Ramirez/Lofton deal...heh.

[CubColtPacer]

I'm a firm believer that when a team is poised to go to the post season and have a good chance to go all the way as the Cubs are this year, you do what is necessary to ensure as best as possible that it happens. If that means parting with some top prospects/players to obtain a difference maker, you do it, even if the difference maker turns out to be a rental. The Cubs stood pat in 2003 IIRC and I think that, more than their foibles in game 6, cost them going to the WS. I think Gallagher has a promising future but if it means getting CC for the stretch run, you trade him for a GOOD chance to end 100 years of Cub fan suffering.

 

The Cubs didn't stand pat in 03. Kenny Lofton, Aramis Ramirez, and Randall Simon were all added for the stretch run.

 

 

I was thinking more in terms of pitching. I do recall Lofton & Simon being added late in the year but I'm not sure I would consider them difference makers. when was Ramirez acquired?

 

Ramirez was acquired at the same time as Lofton. Tuesday, July 22nd. They both ended up being difference makers. Lofton filled the huge hole in CF that had come with the Patterson injury, and Ramirez replaced the Bellhorn/Martinez/Harris 3 headed monster at 3B.

 

And the Cubs didn't need to add much pitching. That was the part carrying them all season.

[inari]

Without Ramirez and Lofton I don't think the 2003 Cubs even would have made the playoffs.

[apete6]

I'm a firm believer that when a team is poised to go to the post season and have a good chance to go all the way as the Cubs are this year, you do what is necessary to ensure as best as possible that it happens. If that means parting with some top prospects/players to obtain a difference maker, you do it, even if the difference maker turns out to be a rental. The Cubs stood pat in 2003 IIRC and I think that, more than their foibles in game 6, cost them going to the WS. I think Gallagher has a promising future but if it means getting CC for the stretch run, you trade him for a GOOD chance to end 100 years of Cub fan suffering.

 

The Cubs didn't stand pat in 03. Kenny Lofton, Aramis Ramirez, and Randall Simon were all added for the stretch run.

 

 

I was thinking more in terms of pitching. I do recall Lofton & Simon being added late in the year but I'm not sure I would consider them difference makers. when was Ramirez acquired?

 

The only pitching they needed was maybe a set up guy, but Farnsworth was pretty decent most of that year. I guess they could have upgraded at closer, but Borowski didn't do any bad in the playoffs. What pitcher could they have acquired that would have been better than Prior, Wood, Clement, or Zambrano?

 

Also, how do you forget when the freaking best player on the team was acquired? That move put us in the playoffs. Everyone gives Lofton the praise, but Ramirez was the real difference maker.

[SCCubbieFAN]

I'm a firm believer that when a team is poised to go to the post season and have a good chance to go all the way as the Cubs are this year, you do what is necessary to ensure as best as possible that it happens. If that means parting with some top prospects/players to obtain a difference maker, you do it, even if the difference maker turns out to be a rental. The Cubs stood pat in 2003 IIRC and I think that, more than their foibles in game 6, cost them going to the WS. I think Gallagher has a promising future but if it means getting CC for the stretch run, you trade him for a GOOD chance to end 100 years of Cub fan suffering.

 

The Cubs didn't stand pat in 03. Kenny Lofton, Aramis Ramirez, and Randall Simon were all added for the stretch run.

 

 

I was thinking more in terms of pitching. I do recall Lofton & Simon being added late in the year but I'm not sure I would consider them difference makers. when was Ramirez acquired?

 

The only pitching they needed was maybe a set up guy, but Farnsworth was pretty decent most of that year. I guess they could have upgraded at closer, but Borowski didn't do any bad in the playoffs. What pitcher could they have acquired that would have been better than Prior, Wood, Clement, or Zambrano?

 

Also, how do you forget when the freaking best player on the team was acquired? That move put us in the playoffs. Everyone gives Lofton the praise, but Ramirez was the real difference maker.

 

 

me memory ain't what it used to be :oops:

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm a firm believer that when a team is poised to go to the post season and have a good chance to go all the way as the Cubs are this year, you do what is necessary to ensure as best as possible that it happens. If that means parting with some top prospects/players to obtain a difference maker, you do it, even if the difference maker turns out to be a rental. The Cubs stood pat in 2003 IIRC and I think that, more than their foibles in game 6, cost them going to the WS. I think Gallagher has a promising future but if it means getting CC for the stretch run, you trade him for a GOOD chance to end 100 years of Cub fan suffering.

 

The Cubs didn't stand pat in 03. Kenny Lofton, Aramis Ramirez, and Randall Simon were all added for the stretch run.

 

 

I was thinking more in terms of pitching. I do recall Lofton & Simon being added late in the year but I'm not sure I would consider them difference makers. when was Ramirez acquired?

 

The only pitching they needed was maybe a set up guy, but Farnsworth was pretty decent most of that year. I guess they could have upgraded at closer, but Borowski didn't do any bad in the playoffs. What pitcher could they have acquired that would have been better than Prior, Wood, Clement, or Zambrano?

 

Also, how do you forget when the freaking best player on the team was acquired? That move put us in the playoffs. Everyone gives Lofton the praise, but Ramirez was the real difference maker.

 

 

me memory ain't what it used to be :oops:

 

That's only because you forgot how bad it was.

[moochpuppy]

Stretch run acquisitions are grossly overrated. You build the team that decides how far you are going to go in November and December. Midseason deals don't make much of a difference.

 

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[Hairyducked Idiot]

Although Ramirez and Lofton were nice, the difference maker in 2003 was Prior, Wood and eventually Zambrano pitching some of the best baseball of their lives at the same time.

[badnews]

Buster Olney said on Sportscenter that the feeling is The Brewers are the frontrunner for Sabathia and the Indians have been scouting the Brewers' farm system. Maybe it will be re-run, he was also doing a segment about what the Rays, Yankees, and Red Sox should trade for.

 

He also said the Mariners are looking to get back ALL their value they gave up for Bedard in the trade and then I said to the TV "**** Bedard, that is not the guy who is going to end a 100 year curse."

[badnews]

We made a "going for it" trade in 2004 with Garciaparra.

 

Really now. After the 2003 season we added the best setup man in the American League, we added a good #4 pitcher to an already loaded staff, we added an MVP calibur 1st baseman to replace a Randall Simon/Eric Karros platoon, we added an offensive-minded catcher and 2b, and at the deadline we traded for what looked like a Hall of Fame shortstop.

 

No one can say the Cubs didn't "go for it" in 2004. They went for it as much as any team has ever gone for it ever in baseball history, when you look at the 2003 team and the additions they made.