CC Sabathia Traded to Brewers (for LaPorta + Prospects)

[shnsajax]

Unfortunately, I really think CC is all but gitwrapped for he Brewers if they really want him. I hope I'm wrong, but it just seems to me that the only reason they wouldn't get him is that they don't want to pay him a big contract.

 

With them losing Sheets to FA I don't think they would mind paying CC. I think the problem is more him not wanting to stay with the Brewers.

Even if the Cubs get him I think he will become a FA just to test it out.

[TruffleShuffle]

wait we are including brendan harris and freddy sanchez on a list of successful prospectus but jeremy bonderman is only a success "to a lesser degree"???

 

a few more trades you've forgotten - and btw you should also include waiver deals since those can be prospect-heavy as well:

 

jose guillen for aaron harang, joe valentine and jeff bruksch

brian giles for oliver perez, jason bay and cory stewart

carl everett for jon rauch and gary majewski

 

your point is valid though; there have been a lot of busted prospects swapped at the trade deadline.

[RedFlash]

wait we are including brendan harris and freddy sanchez on a list of successful prospectus but jeremy bonderman is only a success "to a lesser degree"???

 

.266/.326/.401 for Harris and .298/.335/.415 for Sanchez in their careers. Not great numbers, but they've been decent contributors at the ML level. As for Mr. Bonderman, when you closest comps---despite your talent level---is that of Jose Contreras, Adam Eaton, Bronson Arrojo, and Josh Fogg, you have really underachieved. So, maybe successful is a stretch for Sanchez/Harris, but you can't really considered Bonderman a "success", because he hasn't shown he is anything more then a #4.

 

a few more trades you've forgotten - and btw you should also include waiver deals since those can be prospect-heavy as well:

 

jose guillen for aaron harang, joe valentine and jeff bruksch

brian giles for oliver perez, jason bay and cory stewart

carl everett for jon rauch and gary majewski

 

I was trying to limit the trades to the deadline area (July 1-31). Yes, I could have added the waiver-deal, but that wasn't the point. As for those deals, all three were considered decent, non-spectular trades. Maybe Giles is the closest, but none of them, classify as "superstar" trades. Outside of Oliver Perez, and Jason Bay, nobody else in those trades were considered more then decent prospects.

 

your point is valid though; there have been a lot of busted prospects swapped at the trade deadline.

 

Which means, IMO, prospects like Sean Marshall and Sean Gallagher (who both has had some success) at the ML level might have more value at the deadline, then a Top prospect. And seeing as Cleveland was to contend again in 2009, but they may take an offer with the best major league ready young players.

[Flames24Rulz]

Indians lost 2 of 3 at home to the Reds.

 

I think CC's gone pretty soon.

[inari]

Indians lost 2 of 3 at home to the Reds.

 

I think CC's gone pretty soon.

 

I think it's becoming inevitable that he'll be gone, but I'm not sure why we should expect it to be soon.

 

One positive way to look at this weekend is that the White Sox have continued to distance themselves from Cleveland. That's about the only positive, but it's a positive.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Cleveland has fallen into last place. They are eight under .500, and sit nine games back. I have a feeling that Shapiro will start dealing soon.

 

If the Indians run off a string of four or five wins in a row, it might slow the process, but my guess is that Sabathia will be deal a day or so after the break.

[JWCUB]

Cleveland has fallen into last place. They are eight under .500, and sit nine games back. I have a feeling that Shapiro will start dealing soon.

 

If the Indians run off a string of four or five wins in a row, it might slow the process, but my guess is that Sabathia will be deal a day or so after the break.

 

 

And I hope Hendry jumps in hard and fast!!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Cleveland has fallen into last place. They are eight under .500, and sit nine games back. I have a feeling that Shapiro will start dealing soon.

 

If the Indians run off a string of four or five wins in a row, it might slow the process, but my guess is that Sabathia will be deal a day or so after the break.

 

 

And I hope Hendry jumps in hard and fast!!

 

I have no doubt Hendry will make a play. Whether it will be enough, I don't know. I am convinced that Jim will do what he can.

[inari]

Cleveland has fallen into last place. They are eight under .500, and sit nine games back. I have a feeling that Shapiro will start dealing soon.

 

If the Indians run off a string of four or five wins in a row, it might slow the process, but my guess is that Sabathia will be deal a day or so after the break.

 

 

And I hope Hendry jumps in hard and fast!!

 

I have no doubt Hendry will make a play. Whether it will be enough, I don't know. I am convinced that Jim will do what he can.

 

I am too. Hopefully we can find a good third trading partner, because I think that's what will be necessary.

[TruffleShuffle]

wait we are including brendan harris and freddy sanchez on a list of successful prospectus but jeremy bonderman is only a success "to a lesser degree"???

 

.266/.326/.401 for Harris and .298/.335/.415 for Sanchez in their careers. Not great numbers, but they've been decent contributors at the ML level. As for Mr. Bonderman, when you closest comps---despite your talent level---is that of Jose Contreras, Adam Eaton, Bronson Arrojo, and Josh Fogg, you have really underachieved. So, maybe successful is a stretch for Sanchez/Harris, but you can't really considered Bonderman a "success", because he hasn't shown he is anything more then a #4.

 

but the other guys are successful despite the fact that they're worse than at least 2/3 of the other guys who play their positions. my brain has exploded.

[Schwarber Fan]

Peter Gammons of ESPN.com reports the Chicago Cubs are keeping in touch with the Cleveland Indians about the availability of LHP C.C. Sabathia but doubt they have the pieces to get C.C. He also reports the Cubs have interest in Rich Harden of Oakland, Randy Wolf in San Diego and A.J. Burnett of Toronto. Mr. Gammons gets a Cubs official to say, "It may come down to July 28, but we almost certainly will do something. But we really don't want to give up Gallagher at this point."

 

http://www.faketeams.com/2008/7/1/562339/mlb-trade-rumors-peter-gam

 

TRADE MARQUIS AND HILL

[JeffH]

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[TruffleShuffle]

Peter Gammons of ESPN.com reports the Chicago Cubs are keeping in touch with the Cleveland Indians about the availability of LHP C.C. Sabathia but doubt they have the pieces to get C.C. He also reports the Cubs have interest in Rich Harden of Oakland, Randy Wolf in San Diego and A.J. Burnett of Toronto. Mr. Gammons gets a Cubs official to say, "It may come down to July 28, but we almost certainly will do something. But we really don't want to give up Gallagher at this point."

 

http://www.faketeams.com/2008/7/1/562339/mlb-trade-rumors-peter-gam

 

TRADE MARQUIS AND HILL

 

Jim Hendry (on the phone): Hey Mark Shapiro, how's it going? I was hearing rumblings that C.C. Sabathia was on the market, and I wanted to present to you a marvelous offer! I have a pitcher named Rich Hill who's not making much money and posted an ERA under 4.00 last year! What's that? Well yes, he's currently not on the major league team. Where is he? Someone mentioned that he might be in Arizona right now... yes I believe it's true that he couldn't get out of the first inning at AAA and he has completely lost his command, but let me tell you, this kid will be a stud again. Okay, what else are we offering? Ever heard of a young man named JASON MARQUIS??? He's only 29 years old and has a bright future ahead of him. Okay yes, his ERA over the past three years is about 5.00, but he's been pretty unlucky.... well Mark, I guess you could say that having a good defense behind him has helped some.... yes the WHIP is about 1.50 but really that doesn't tell the whole story. He's a bargain at just $6.375 million this year! And he's signed through next year too! ... I'm not quite sure what his salary is next year, probably around $9-10 million or so... hello? Mark? Hello???

[TheDude]

Following up on the quote from Gammons above, his blog had a little bit more information.

 

- The note about the Cubs not having what it takes to get Sabathia appears to be just Gammons own personal opinion, not a quote or summary from Shapiro.

 

- He mentions the Cubs continue to monitor Harden. He also mentions that Nick Swisher thinks Harden will be dealt as a starter for a pennant run somewhere, but that Harden's future is as a closer.

 

- There are a couple of quotes/abstracts in the blog about the Cubs keeping Gallagher. There is a mention that Piniella is close to being sold on Gallagher as a fixture in the rotation.

 

- He mentions yet again that the Cubs are still talking Murton for Wolf (I still can't figure out who sees this as more than a lateral move).

 

- He mentions the Devil Rays want a RH OF and they like Murton as an alternative to Nady, who appears to be their first choice.

 

My opinion remains the same: don't deal for a starter that doesn't project into a 3-man rotation. Whoever the Cubs get needs to be good enough to displace either Dempster or Lilly in a 3-man scenario.

 

At this point, I'm thinking Sabathia isn't a reality. Gallagher is the top chip right now. The Cubs comments about Gallagher and his future in the rotation seem to infer he is off the table. I would think Gallagher would have to be included to Sabathia.

 

What I find most frustrating about the Cubs is their young starting pitching is on the verge of being good, but just not good enough for trades. Hill, Marshall, and Gallagher all seem to be good enough at peak to be #3 guys at least, but not good enough to grab the attention of teams that are selling big names at the deadline.

[JeffH]

My opinion remains the same: don't deal for a starter that doesn't project into a 3-man rotation. Whoever the Cubs get needs to be good enough to displace either Dempster or Lilly in a 3-man scenario.

 

Assuming that we wind up in the postseason...

 

Unless Lou goes completely insane, we will need a fourth starter.

[jersey cubs fan]

My opinion remains the same: don't deal for a starter that doesn't project into a 3-man rotation. Whoever the Cubs get needs to be good enough to displace either Dempster or Lilly in a 3-man scenario.

 

I don't think it's realistic to think of a 3-man scenario. I don't like putting guys on short rest in the playoffs. Any potential WS run should include a 4-man rotation.

[Old Style]

Would you really hold up a Sabathia deal because they want Gallagher as part of the package? As long as we can sign CC to an extension, I'd give Sean up in a heartbeat (sorry, Mr. Gallagher).

[JWCUB]

Following up on the quote from Gammons above, his blog had a little bit more information.

 

- The note about the Cubs not having what it takes to get Sabathia appears to be just Gammons own personal opinion, not a quote or summary from Shapiro.

 

- He mentions the Cubs continue to monitor Harden. He also mentions that Nick Swisher thinks Harden will be dealt as a starter for a pennant run somewhere, but that Harden's future is as a closer.

 

- There are a couple of quotes/abstracts in the blog about the Cubs keeping Gallagher. There is a mention that Piniella is close to being sold on Gallagher as a fixture in the rotation.

 

- He mentions yet again that the Cubs are still talking Murton for Wolf (I still can't figure out who sees this as more than a lateral move).

 

- He mentions the Devil Rays want a RH OF and they like Murton as an alternative to Nady, who appears to be their first choice.

 

My opinion remains the same: don't deal for a starter that doesn't project into a 3-man rotation. Whoever the Cubs get needs to be good enough to displace either Dempster or Lilly in a 3-man scenario.

 

At this point, I'm thinking Sabathia isn't a reality. Gallagher is the top chip right now. The Cubs comments about Gallagher and his future in the rotation seem to infer he is off the table. I would think Gallagher would have to be included to Sabathia.

 

What I find most frustrating about the Cubs is their young starting pitching is on the verge of being good, but just not good enough for trades. Hill, Marshall, and Gallagher all seem to be good enough at peak to be #3 guys at least, but not good enough to grab the attention of teams that are selling big names at the deadline.

 

Gallagher might be a BIG bargaining chip at this point. The Cubs might just be "saying" that they are more inclined to keep him and not make him any part of a trade. Sean has had a pretty good showing in a sample size in the bigs. Who knows? It does sound like the Cubs are pumping Sean up to sound like a stud for the rotation for years to come. It could make Shapiro think.

[RammyFanny]

10.5 games back, I tihnk I saw..

[Mizzou]

That comment from the "Cubs official" about Gallagher could easily be posturing. I wouldn't read too much into it.

[TruffleShuffle]

Would you really hold up a Sabathia deal because they want Gallagher as part of the package? As long as we can sign CC to an extension, I'd give Sean up in a heartbeat (sorry, Mr. Gallagher).

 

yeah but sabathia is probably going to be asking for $20M a year. if you do that you've got about $60M next year going to 4 starters, and beyond then you've got nearly $50M a year going to 3 starters. tack on $13M for lee, $12M for fukudome, $15M for ARam and about $17M for soriano - that's $108M and you still need a bullpen, 2 more starters, 4 more position players and a bench. unless you're the yankees, this is not doable.

[inari]

According to MLBTR, the other names tossed around in the Gammons article are Randy Wolf, Bronson Arroyo, Kevin Millwood, Aaron Cook, Rich Harden, and AJ Burnett.

[daske17]

He mentions the Devil Rays want a RH OF and they like Murton as an alternative to Nady, who appears to be their first choice.

 

Murton for Kazmir?

 

Okay, Murton and Marshall for Kazmir. We have to make it a fair trade. :wink:

[TruffleShuffle]

Randy Wolf

 

no thanks.

 

Bronson Arroyo

 

no.

 

Kevin Millwood

 

what's the point?

Aaron Cook

 

very ground ball heavy. probably a good idea.

 

Rich Harden

 

sure.

 

AJ Burnett.

 

80% behind this one.

[C.C.]

Would you really hold up a Sabathia deal because they want Gallagher as part of the package? As long as we can sign CC to an extension, I'd give Sean up in a heartbeat (sorry, Mr. Gallagher).

 

yeah but sabathia is probably going to be asking for $20M a year. if you do that you've got about $60M next year going to 4 starters, and beyond then you've got nearly $50M a year going to 3 starters. tack on $13M for lee, $12M for fukudome, $15M for ARam and about $17M for soriano - that's $108M and you still need a bullpen, 2 more starters, 4 more position players and a bench. unless you're the yankees, this is not doable.

 

I'd do the deal even if he's a 3 month rental.