CC Sabathia Traded to Brewers (for LaPorta + Prospects)

[Banghart]

Rich Hill seems like a real good buy low guy for a team that has confidence in its coaching. Get him, get his mechanics back to pre-Lou tweaks, and you have a great shot at a real good pitcher. And if the Indians do that and don't want him in their system, it's easy to trade him once you've fixed his mechanics. If I'm the Indians, I want Hill in the deal. Indians don't strike me as a team that's concerned with having too many lefties - they want good pitchers, regardless of handedness.

I agree with this, but I don't think Rich Hill being the centerpiece of a trade for a starter like C.C. Sabathia is a buying low on Rich Hill. Is Rich Hill at his best better than C.C. Sabathia? That is assuming that you can coaching him to being his best because this is starting look more and more like the old Rich Hill.

 

Thought I should add that I like Rich Hill, and am hoping that he finds his mechanics because we could really use Rich Hill from last year to fill out the rotation.

[soapy]

Rich Hill seems like a real good buy low guy for a team that has confidence in its coaching. Get him, get his mechanics back to pre-Lou tweaks, and you have a great shot at a real good pitcher. And if the Indians do that and don't want him in their system, it's easy to trade him once you've fixed his mechanics. If I'm the Indians, I want Hill in the deal. Indians don't strike me as a team that's concerned with having too many lefties - they want good pitchers, regardless of handedness.

I agree with this, but I don't think Rich Hill being the centerpiece of a trade for a starter like C.C. Sabathia is a buying low on Rich Hill. Is Rich Hill at his best better than C.C. Sabathia? That is assuming that you can coaching him to being his best because this is starting look more and more like the old Rich Hill.

 

Thought I should add that I like Rich Hill, and am hoping that he finds his mechanics because we could really use Rich Hill from last year to fill out the rotation.

 

If you have both Rich Hill and Murton in a deal (with some others) they might be interested. The Indians have David Dellucci and Franklin Gutierrez getting most of ABs in the corner OF. I don't really know anything about who they have in the minors though.

[Banghart]

If you have both Rich Hill and Murton in a deal (with some others) they might be interested. The Indians have David Dellucci and Franklin Gutierrez getting most of ABs in the corner OF. I don't really know anything about who they have in the minors though.

The Indians are going to be more interested in Murton than Pie? This really gets to the heart of the matter though. The Indians really need more hitting than pitching, and the Cubs don't have any elite talent to trade to them in the minors. The Indians are not looking to restock a farm system like the Orioles were doing in the offseason. The Indians want guys who can be impact players, not a bunch of guys who might turn out to be serviceable players. The only way this really makes sense is if this becomes a three team trade where the Cubs move their "surplus" of young solid arms to another team for some impact position prospects to the Indians for Sabathia.

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Rich Hill seems like a real good buy low guy for a team that has confidence in its coaching. Get him, get his mechanics back to pre-Lou tweaks, and you have a great shot at a real good pitcher. And if the Indians do that and don't want him in their system, it's easy to trade him once you've fixed his mechanics. If I'm the Indians, I want Hill in the deal. Indians don't strike me as a team that's concerned with having too many lefties - they want good pitchers, regardless of handedness.

I agree with this, but I don't think Rich Hill being the centerpiece of a trade for a starter like C.C. Sabathia is a buying low on Rich Hill. Is Rich Hill at his best better than C.C. Sabathia? That is assuming that you can coaching him to being his best because this is starting look more and more like the old Rich Hill.

 

Thought I should add that I like Rich Hill, and am hoping that he finds his mechanics because we could really use Rich Hill from last year to fill out the rotation.

 

I'm not saying he should be the centerpiece, I'm merely pointing out that I'd target him in a trade with the Cubs if I trust my coaching staff. Though, with the Cubs, I don't think we have "centerpiece" prospects at this point. I think you could put together a package of 3/4 of our top players and it might or might not be enough. I don't think it matters which one you call the centerpiece b/c its more about quantity of good players with an outside chance of being very good than it is 1 slam dunk and 1 cast-off guy or something.

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If you have both Rich Hill and Murton in a deal (with some others) they might be interested. The Indians have David Dellucci and Franklin Gutierrez getting most of ABs in the corner OF. I don't really know anything about who they have in the minors though.

The Indians are going to be more interested in Murton than Pie? This really gets to the heart of the matter though. The Indians really need more hitting than pitching, and the Cubs don't have any elite talent to trade to them in the minors. The Indians are not looking to restock a farm system like the Orioles were doing in the offseason. The Indians want guys who can be impact players, not a bunch of guys who might turn out to be serviceable players. The only way this really makes sense is if this becomes a three team trade where the Cubs move their "surplus" of young solid arms to another team for some impact position prospects to the Indians for Sabathia.

 

But the Indians aren't a long way from contending either. So I would think they'd rather trade CC for a couple guys that can contribute now then take 2 picks which don't help their team for likely 3-4 years, at least. Given the fact that the Cubs are locked in at both corners of the OF and the IF and Soto seems like a mainstay at C, I think you could give them Hill, Pie and a couple major-league ready players (like Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher, Marshall, etc). Maybe none of them are destined for stardom, but if they're cheap with a good chance to contribute positively to the team now and for a few more years, the Indians might be interested in that so they can spend their limited dollars on real impact players in FA or another trade or something. The Cubs don't seem to, but a lot of teams value major-league ready, cheap sources of league-average production. Seems like the Indians would be one such team.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The New York Times reports the Yankees would have interest in Sabathia as well.

 

Link.

 

If Sabathia is on the trade market, the Yankees will have strong interest. The Yankees rank last in the American League in innings pitched by their starters, and Sabathia led the league in innings last season while winning the American League Cy Young award.

[Flames24Rulz]

If you have both Rich Hill and Murton in a deal (with some others) they might be interested. The Indians have David Dellucci and Franklin Gutierrez getting most of ABs in the corner OF. I don't really know anything about who they have in the minors though.

The Indians are going to be more interested in Murton than Pie? This really gets to the heart of the matter though. The Indians really need more hitting than pitching, and the Cubs don't have any elite talent to trade to them in the minors. The Indians are not looking to restock a farm system like the Orioles were doing in the offseason. The Indians want guys who can be impact players, not a bunch of guys who might turn out to be serviceable players. The only way this really makes sense is if this becomes a three team trade where the Cubs move their "surplus" of young solid arms to another team for some impact position prospects to the Indians for Sabathia.

 

I'm trading both Murton and Pie if it nets us Sabathia and I don't think twice about it.

[jacey]

Ceda, Gallagher and Colvin? Veal also might be one you could substitute for Colvin or maybe Pie in the mix somewhere.

[Backtobanks]

If you have both Rich Hill and Murton in a deal (with some others) they might be interested. The Indians have David Dellucci and Franklin Gutierrez getting most of ABs in the corner OF. I don't really know anything about who they have in the minors though.

The Indians are going to be more interested in Murton than Pie? This really gets to the heart of the matter though. The Indians really need more hitting than pitching, and the Cubs don't have any elite talent to trade to them in the minors. The Indians are not looking to restock a farm system like the Orioles were doing in the offseason. The Indians want guys who can be impact players, not a bunch of guys who might turn out to be serviceable players. The only way this really makes sense is if this becomes a three team trade where the Cubs move their "surplus" of young solid arms to another team for some impact position prospects to the Indians for Sabathia.

 

How about a 3-way with the Pirates, sending them a bunch of prospects with them sending Bay or Nady to the Indians and Sabathia coming to the Cubs.

[daske17]

The New York Times reports the Yankees would have interest in Sabathia as well.

 

Link.

 

If Sabathia is on the trade market, the Yankees will have strong interest. The Yankees rank last in the American League in innings pitched by their starters, and Sabathia led the league in innings last season while winning the American League Cy Young award.

 

The Yankees are always linked to any superstar-level players at the trade deadline. However, unless they can start making some noise in the East, they have no reason to trade for a mid-season rental. Additionally, if they weren't willing to part with top prospects for Santana, why would they for Sabathia?

 

Although with Victor Martinez out for elbow surgery, this increases the chances that CC will be on the block. Hopefully. :beg:

[RammyFanny]

From that Yankees article:

Still, the Indians would ask for a lot, and teams like the Chicago Cubs and the Boston Red Sox may also have interest. But because they trail in the standings, the Yankees theoretically would have the greatest need.

[Banedon]

Shocking that the NY Times would think the Yankees have the greatest need.

[Sammy Sofa]

I suppose idiot machild Hank Steinbrenner could view the Yanks passing on Santana as a mistake now, and as such he demands the Yanks go balls-out in trying to get Sabathia.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I was reading this article in the Washington Post and found this line compelling.

 

One rival executive who has spoken to Cubs General Manager Jim Hendry recently came away convinced the Cubs will make a big play for a front-line starting pitcher in the coming weeks -- perhaps an acknowledgment the Cubs believe they have all the other pieces in place to end the franchise's 100-year drought without a World Series title.

 

The article then goes on to speculate about who is available and focuses on Sabathia.

 

Plenty of big-name starters (Toronto's A.J. Burnett, Milwaukee's Ben Sheets, Oakland's Joe Blanton and Rich Harden) are being floated around the rumor mill, but the one that perhaps makes the most sense is lefty C.C. Sabathia, free-agent-to-be of the Cleveland Indians.

 

I think it's becoming clear from all the rumors that we will be in the running for someone. Who and at what cost seem to be the only question.

[RedFlash]

I was reading this article in the Washington Post and found this line compelling.

 

One rival executive who has spoken to Cubs General Manager Jim Hendry recently came away convinced the Cubs will make a big play for a front-line starting pitcher in the coming weeks -- perhaps an acknowledgment the Cubs believe they have all the other pieces in place to end the franchise's 100-year drought without a World Series title.

 

The article then goes on to speculate about who is available and focuses on Sabathia.

 

Plenty of big-name starters (Toronto's A.J. Burnett, Milwaukee's Ben Sheets, Oakland's Joe Blanton and Rich Harden) are being floated around the rumor mill, but the one that perhaps makes the most sense is lefty C.C. Sabathia, free-agent-to-be of the Cleveland Indians.

 

I think it's becoming clear from all the rumors that we will be in the running for someone. Who and at what cost seem to be the only question.

 

vance, I don't thinnk "at what cost" is going to play a part. Everything Hendry has done in the last 2 or so yrs, has been geared up to for a World Series run, which means, I expect Hendry is going into the deadline with a "blank check", so to speak, in terms of what he's willing to spend. The main question will be, who are the Cubs targetting.

[RammyFanny]

Nice find Vance.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think Burnett is our best case scenario. I just fear what Hendry considers a front-line starter, and he'll go chase Kenny Rogers. Then again, by July the Tigers will probably be within 2 games of 1st place.

[NCCubFan]

Nah, Hendry won't gamble on Kenny.

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Nah, Hendry won't gamble on Kenny.

 

Hendry knows when to hold 'em.

[CuseCubFan69]

Nah, Hendry won't gamble on Kenny.

 

Hendry knows when to hold 'em.

 

Hopefully he'll learn to walk away or when to run.

 

I really don't think the Cubs have enough young guys to pull this off unless the Indians like a couple of guys more than other teams do.

[NCCubFan]

Nah, Hendry won't gamble on Kenny.

 

Hendry knows when to hold 'em.

 

Hopefully he'll learn to walk away or when to run.

Does he count his money when he's sitting at the table?

[CuseCubFan69]

Nah, Hendry won't gamble on Kenny.

 

Hendry knows when to hold 'em.

 

Hopefully he'll learn to walk away or when to run.

Does he count his money when he's sitting at the table?

 

That's the Trib's job!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Nah, Hendry won't gamble on Kenny.

 

Hendry knows when to hold 'em.

 

Hopefully he'll learn to walk away or when to run.

Does he count his money when he's sitting at the table?

 

There will be time enough for counting when the dealing's done.

[jersey cubs fan]

Nah, Hendry won't gamble on Kenny.

 

Hendry knows when to hold 'em.

 

Hopefully he'll learn to walk away or when to run.

Does he count his money when he's sitting at the table?

 

There will be time enough for counting when the dealing's done.

 

Just put it on the Peterman account.

[NCCubFan]

Nah, Hendry won't gamble on Kenny.

 

Hendry knows when to hold 'em.

 

Hopefully he'll learn to walk away or when to run.

Does he count his money when he's sitting at the table?

 

There will be time enough for counting when the dealing's done.

 

Just put it on the Peterman account.

Or on Norm Peterson's bar tab.