CC Sabathia Traded to Brewers (for LaPorta + Prospects)

[JimSorgi]

Rich Hill, Felix Pie, Jose Ceda, Eric Patterson and Jason Marquis.

 

Deal or no deal?

I wouldn't.

[NCCubFan]

Rich Hill, Felix Pie, Jose Ceda, Eric Patterson and Jason Marquis.

 

Deal or no deal?

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No deal, Howie.

[Tyrant]

Rich Hill, Felix Pie, Jose Ceda, Eric Patterson and Jason Marquis.

 

Deal or no deal?

I wouldn't.

 

Neither would the Indians.

[shnsajax]

Rich Hill, Felix Pie, Jose Ceda, Eric Patterson and Jason Marquis.

 

Deal or no deal?

I wouldn't.

 

Neither would the Indians.

 

with an extension would you?

[Tyrant]

Rich Hill, Felix Pie, Jose Ceda, Eric Patterson and Jason Marquis.

 

Deal or no deal?

I wouldn't.

 

Neither would the Indians.

 

with an extension would you?

 

For a 27-year-old pitcher with a career 114 ERA+ (including 143 and 140 the last two years) who seems pretty durable, I absolutely would do that deal.

 

Having Zambrano and Sabathia as 1-2 in our rotation -- in their primes -- for the next five years would be awesome.

[shnsajax]

Rich Hill, Felix Pie, Jose Ceda, Eric Patterson and Jason Marquis.

 

Deal or no deal?

I wouldn't.

 

Neither would the Indians.

 

with an extension would you?

 

For a 27-year-old pitcher with a career 114 ERA+ (including 143 and 140 the last two years) who seems pretty durable, I absolutely would do that deal.

 

Having Zambrano and Sabathia as 1-2 in our rotation -- in their primes -- for the next five years would be awesome.

 

I agree. I would probably do it without an extension as well.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It's the same thing as Westbrook. The Indians don't want quantity because they have that, and they won't get quality because teams dealing for Sabathia need it to contend. The Tribe are caught in between, and since they aren't that far out and Shapiro is smart enough to value compensation picks, I don't see Sabathia getting dealt.

[Derwood]

Sabathia on the last year of his contract isn't going to fetch 5 prospects from anyone. Name me the last 5 for 1 deal. Randy Johnson netted Seattle 3 prospects (albeit very good ones) from Houston.

 

Look at what Santana netted Minnesota. Santana is a better pitcher and in a similar contract situation (in fact, the Mets got more pre-extension time out of him than the Cubs would out of Sabathia)

[Tyrant]

Sabathia on the last year of his contract isn't going to fetch 5 prospects from anyone. Name me the last 5 for 1 deal. Randy Johnson netted Seattle 3 prospects (albeit very good ones) from Houston.

 

Right. Like TT said above, I think the Indians will want one high-quality prospect and another 1-2 decent prospects. We don't have that type of high-level player needed.

 

Maybe if Gallagher has another 5-7 good starts in the majors and boosts his value further, he could be used as a trade chip. Other than that, I don't see it as very feasible, unfortunately.

[Guest]

Having Zambrano and Sabathia as 1-2 in our rotation -- in their primes -- for the next five years would be awesome.

Imagine having Z and Sabathia at the post-game buffet! Throw in Ward and I'm not sure there's enough food in Chicago.

[Tyrant]

Having Zambrano and Sabathia as 1-2 in our rotation -- in their primes -- for the next five years would be awesome.

Imagine having Z and Sabathia at the post-game buffet! Throw in Ward and I'm not sure there's enough food in Chicago.

 

Don't forget Jon Lieber.

[JonnyRed]

I'd think it'll take more then Hill and Pie. A lot more.

 

A World Series title would be well worth it, no?

[JonnyRed]

Rich Hill, Felix Pie, Jose Ceda, Eric Patterson and Jason Marquis.

 

Deal or no deal?

I wouldn't.

 

Neither would the Indians.

 

with an extension would you?

 

Absolutely...If we would be willing to bankroll the extension, who wouldn't want Z and CC as a dominant front end of the rotation. Add in Lilly, Demp and one of the Seans and you have a very nice staff.

[Derwood]

i stand by my point that Sabathia won't be that expensive in terms of players. look at the Santana deal. if the Indians are looking at getting nothing for him and him walking vs. getting two good prospects, they'll take the latter. so long as Hendry doesn't outbid himself....

[imb]

i stand by my point that Sabathia won't be that expensive in terms of players. look at the Santana deal. if the Indians are looking at getting nothing for him and him walking vs. getting two good prospects, they'll take the latter. so long as Hendry doesn't outbid himself....

 

2 comp picks isnt exactly nothing

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

i stand by my point that Sabathia won't be that expensive in terms of players. look at the Santana deal. if the Indians are looking at getting nothing for him and him walking vs. getting two good prospects, they'll take the latter. so long as Hendry doesn't outbid himself....

 

2 comp picks isnt exactly nothing

It is when Wilken is picking..rofls.

[C.C.]

Damn! I haven't seen CC stats in a while and he's really having a sub-par year. He's K's are fine but everything else is pretty troubling.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

In 1984, Sutcliffe while pitching for the Indians went 4-5 with a 5.15 ERA for an ERA+ of 80. Of course most remember that after coming to the Cubs he went 16-1 with a 2.69 ERA for a 144 ERA+.

 

I'd hope that lightning could strike twice and that Sabathia would post a similar turn-around. Outside of maybe Harden, I can't think of any pitcher I'd want more.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

CC had a terrible start and rebounded nicely in May

 I Split         G  GS GF  W  L  S CG SHO   IP    ERA   H   R   ER HR  BB IBB  SO HBP
+-+------------+---+--+--+--+--+--+--+---+-----+------+---+---+---+--+---+---+---+---+
  April/March    6  6  0  1  4  0  0   0  32     7.88  40  28  28  6  17   1  33   1 
  May            6  6  0  2  3  0  2   1  44.1   2.44  41  12  12  4   8   0  41   1 
  June           1  1  0  0  1  0  0   0   6     6.00   9   5   4  0   3   0   8   1 

[inari]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's nothing to worry about in terms of Sabathia's chances for success

[rawaction]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's nothing to worry about in terms of Sabathia's chances for success

 

Agreed. He's not Santana good, but I'd give up a whole bunch for him to pitch in a Cubs uniform for 2-3 months. Then if you consider the Cubs would get the comp picks, I can't think of many players that are NOT expendable, even if Sabathia is a rental.

[gflore34]

i stand by my point that Sabathia won't be that expensive in terms of players. look at the Santana deal. if the Indians are looking at getting nothing for him and him walking vs. getting two good prospects, they'll take the latter. so long as Hendry doesn't outbid himself....

 

Exactly, deals including multiple players such as Pie, Patterson, Gallagher, etc. for Sabathia (or Harden for that matter) aren't realistic, it's not going to cost that much to rent CC. I believe Hendry, for all his short comings, knowns this.

[TheDude]

Sabathia is everything this franchise needs to have a post-season success. The offense and defense is there. The ace is there. Only the #2 is missing. If Hendry is going to be as 'win now' as I think he is (especially if the Cubs still have the best record in the NL come the deadline), he will overpay for a shot at Sabathia.

 

When it comes to Sabathia, I think the hang-up would be with Cleveland's approval of the Cubs available assets, not Chicago's desire or kitchen sink offers.

[WindyCity]

i stand by my point that Sabathia won't be that expensive in terms of players. look at the Santana deal. if the Indians are looking at getting nothing for him and him walking vs. getting two good prospects, they'll take the latter. so long as Hendry doesn't outbid himself....

 

Exactly, deals including multiple players such as Pie, Patterson, Gallagher, etc. for Sabathia (or Harden for that matter) aren't realistic, it's not going to cost that much to rent CC. I believe Hendry, for all his short comings, knowns this.

 

 

What it ends up taking to get CC is debatable, but I'd be willing to bet it will end up being more than what the Twins got for Johan -- just because teams in contention come July will be more desperate and with fewer time or options available.

 

IMO the Cubs should sell the farm for CC if he is indeed available - with or without guarantees of an extension. Its been far too long since the Cubs have been setup this well to make a deep run in October.

[rawaction]

 

IMO the Cubs should sell the farm for CC if he is indeed available - with or without guarantees of an extension. Its been far too long since the Cubs have been setup this well to make a deep run in October.

 

Agreed. This ain't Matt Karchner people. CC would clearly make the Cubs the favorites to win the World Series. Whether they make it or not is besides the point. The Cubs didn't have a realistic shot to win it all last year. With CC they would. You have to do what it takes to get that.