CC Sabathia Traded to Brewers (for LaPorta + Prospects)

[Banedon]

Don't know how reliable Al from BCB is, but I have seen him post some information that turned out to be true in the past. Anyways this is what he says:

 

What I will say is that today, I heard more about the Cubs' possible pursuit of C. C. Sabathia. I can't go into too many details, but let's say that I do know that Jim Hendry IS looking into this, that it's more than just our wishful thinking, and that it could happen sooner rather than later with the Indians having fallen into last place. We already know that Sam Zell has green-lighted Crane Kenney and Hendry to do whatever they think they have to in order to win this year.

 

No joke, I would much rather be active early rather than later. I don't want to wait till the last hour of the deadline like we did with Nomar.

 

My guess is that the Indians will want CC representing them at the ASG, so I'm guessing it won't happen till after that if it happens.

[jersey cubs fan]

Don't know how reliable Al from BCB is, but I have seen him post some information that turned out to be true in the past. Anyways this is what he says:

 

What I will say is that today, I heard more about the Cubs' possible pursuit of C. C. Sabathia. I can't go into too many details, but let's say that I do know that Jim Hendry IS looking into this, that it's more than just our wishful thinking, and that it could happen sooner rather than later with the Indians having fallen into last place. We already know that Sam Zell has green-lighted Crane Kenney and Hendry to do whatever they think they have to in order to win this year.

 

No joke, I would much rather be active early rather than later. I don't want to wait till the last hour of the deadline like we did with Nomar.

 

My guess is that the Indians will want CC representing them at the ASG, so I'm guessing it won't happen till after that if it happens.

 

Or, trade him now, and MLB will be forced to use one of your other players that will actually be a part of your future on the AS roster.

[Banedon]

Or, trade him now, and MLB will be forced to use one of your other players that will actually be a part of your future on the AS roster.

 

If teams think about this stuff....maybe they don't care...I dunno...

[jersey cubs fan]

Or, trade him now, and MLB will be forced to use one of your other players that will actually be a part of your future on the AS roster.

 

If teams think about this stuff....maybe they don't care...I dunno...

 

I would hope they wouldn't care. That sort of superfluous concern doesn't really help the team at all.

[inari]

I'd imagine any deal would have to include Hill, Gallagher, and Pie just to get the discussion started. Vitters and Murton as well? I'm not really sure what we have that they want.

[gflore34]

I'd imagine any deal would have to include Hill, Gallagher, and Pie just to get the discussion started. Vitters and Murton as well? I'm not really sure what we have that they want.

 

If possible I'd like Gallagher kept out of trade talks including him probably means Marquis stays in rotation.

[UMFan83]

From Jayson Stark:

 

Speaking of Burnett, the most over-ballyhooed trade rumor of the year is the talk linking him to the Cubs. We haven't found any indication that the Cubs have even batted his name around. And teams that have spoken with the Cubs report that if they do make a deal for starting pitching, they wouldn't pursue just any old arm. They're looking for pitchers who can make an impact. So while they may not have enough prospect depth to pull off a trade for C.C. Sabathia, you can expect them to make an aggressive run at him if he ever becomes available.

[inari]

I'd imagine any deal would have to include Hill, Gallagher, and Pie just to get the discussion started. Vitters and Murton as well? I'm not really sure what we have that they want.

 

If possible I'd like Gallagher kept out of trade talks including him probably means Marquis stays in rotation.

 

The Indians need something good if they're going to part with Sabathia.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd imagine any deal would have to include Hill, Gallagher, and Pie just to get the discussion started. Vitters and Murton as well? I'm not really sure what we have that they want.

 

If possible I'd like Gallagher kept out of trade talks including him probably means Marquis stays in rotation.

 

The Indians need something good if they're going to part with Sabathia.

 

The Indians need something that would value over two compensatory picks. Do we have enough to do that without giving up Gallagher? I really don't know.

[Sammy Sofa]

If trading Gallagher gets you Sabathia, you trade Gallagher.

[Post Count Padder]

If trading Gallagher gets you Sabathia, you trade Gallagher.

Yes, this. I'd miss Gallagher but if parting with him means getting CC, then I am all for it. Of course, we have to sign Sabathia to an extension too.

[Backtobanks]

Gallagher, Veal, Patterson, Wellington Castilo, Colvin should get it done IMO. We'll see though. I don't see who the Indians turn that down if its proposed by the cubs. Things the next 2 weeks will be very interesting. I can see a deal made any day now.

 

He had better have an 4 year extension signed if we are trading 6 prospects for him.

[inari]

Gallagher, Veal, Patterson, Wellington Castilo, Colvin should get it done IMO. We'll see though. I don't see who the Indians turn that down if its proposed by the cubs. Things the next 2 weeks will be very interesting. I can see a deal made any day now.

 

He had better have an 4 year extension signed if we are trading 6 prospects for him.

 

The original post has the scent of inside information.

[shnsajax]

If trading Gallagher gets you Sabathia, you trade Gallagher.

Yes, this. I'd miss Gallagher but if parting with him means getting CC, then I am all for it. Of course, we have to sign Sabathia to an extension too.

 

I think its going to be very hard for any team trading for him to sign him to an extension. They will have the inside track but I just think he is not going to at least test the FA Market.

 

Also if we trade several prospects and lose him, we are still going to be getting those picks too which will soften the blow.

[Banedon]

If trading Gallagher gets you Sabathia, you trade Gallagher.

Yes, this. I'd miss Gallagher but if parting with him means getting CC, then I am all for it. Of course, we have to sign Sabathia to an extension too.

 

I think its going to be very hard for any team trading for him to sign him to an extension. They will have the inside track but I just think he is not going to at least test the FA Market.

 

Also if we trade several prospects and lose him, we are still going to be getting those picks too which will soften the blow.

 

I can't speak for this specific situation, but it seems like when guys get traded to a team during their FA year, it seems like they generally will sign an extension if a fair offer is made. I don't know if the's the newness of a team that is different, and thus "better"...or maybe it's faulty perception on my part, but it just seems like that's the way that it usually goes down.

[CubinNY]

If trading Gallagher gets you Sabathia, you trade Gallagher.

Indeed and any other prospect as well.

 

Gallagher, "The Shark", Veal, Pie, Murton, Patterson, Colvin, Rhee, let them take their pick of any two or three.

[Sammy Sofa]

If trading Gallagher gets you Sabathia, you trade Gallagher.

Indeed and any other prospect as well.

 

Gallagher, "The Shark", Veal, Pie, Murton, Patterson, Colvin, Rhee, let them take their pick of any two or three.

 

Don't forget that young catcher that's doing well, too.

[Banedon]

By one accounting, every contending team but the Cardinals already has checked in with Cleveland.

 

A quickly-signed contract for either the Indians or someone else seems unlikely. Sabathia is believed to be seeking Johan Santana money ($137.5 million), or at the very least, Barry Zito money ($126 million), and it's difficult to envision him offering discounts on the precipice of free agency.

 

Among the most interested teams, it is believed the Brewers, Rays and Dodgers may be best-equipped to trade prospects, while the Phillies, Cubs and Astros ("they have nothing,'' one GM said) may be least-equipped.

 

However, as was the case in the Colon deal, an interested team's tolerance to surrender prospects may weigh heavily. The Cubs, who may be sold soon, could be seen as having a greater willingness to go for it. Plus, the fact they are in their 100th anniversary season of no World Series titles may even provide an extra little push.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/06/27/heyman.cclead/index.html?eref=T1

[shnsajax]

If trading Gallagher gets you Sabathia, you trade Gallagher.

Yes, this. I'd miss Gallagher but if parting with him means getting CC, then I am all for it. Of course, we have to sign Sabathia to an extension too.

 

I think its going to be very hard for any team trading for him to sign him to an extension. They will have the inside track but I just think he is not going to at least test the FA Market.

 

Also if we trade several prospects and lose him, we are still going to be getting those picks too which will soften the blow.

 

I can't speak for this specific situation, but it seems like when guys get traded to a team during their FA year, it seems like they generally will sign an extension if a fair offer is made. I don't know if the's the newness of a team that is different, and thus "better"...or maybe it's faulty perception on my part, but it just seems like that's the way that it usually goes down.

 

I would be willing to bet that some conversations have happened in the process of completing the trade that help indicate how likely one player is to stay after the trade.

[JWCUB]

CC's line tonight: 8 innings 4 hits 0 runs 2 BB 11K's vs. Reds.

 

The Cubs really need this guy!!

[rocket]

Don't know how reliable Al from BCB is, but I have seen him post some information that turned out to be true in the past. Anyways this is what he says:

 

What I will say is that today, I heard more about the Cubs' possible pursuit of C. C. Sabathia. I can't go into too many details, but let's say that I do know that Jim Hendry IS looking into this, that it's more than just our wishful thinking, and that it could happen sooner rather than later with the Indians having fallen into last place. We already know that Sam Zell has green-lighted Crane Kenney and Hendry to do whatever they think they have to in order to win this year.

 

Well, any fan with half a brain would assume Hendry is very interested in Sabathia and is looking into it. I don't think this news really changes anything.

[UMFan83]

Don't know how reliable Al from BCB is, but I have seen him post some information that turned out to be true in the past. Anyways this is what he says:

 

What I will say is that today, I heard more about the Cubs' possible pursuit of C. C. Sabathia. I can't go into too many details, but let's say that I do know that Jim Hendry IS looking into this, that it's more than just our wishful thinking, and that it could happen sooner rather than later with the Indians having fallen into last place. We already know that Sam Zell has green-lighted Crane Kenney and Hendry to do whatever they think they have to in order to win this year.

 

Well, any fan with half a brain would assume Hendry is very interested in Sabathia and is looking into it. I don't think this news really changes anything.

 

Well I think he is implying that a source of his gave him that information.

[Sammy Sofa]

Unfortunately, I really think CC is all but gitwrapped for he Brewers if they really want him. I hope I'm wrong, but it just seems to me that the only reason they wouldn't get him is that they don't want to pay him a big contract.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why in the F are the Astros interested?

[RedFlash]

I'm looking back at trades made at the deadline, and here's a list of former top prospects that were dealt at the deadline (I used a July 2-31st as my deadline):

 

Jon Rauch, Scott Kazmir, Justin Huber, HS Choi, Koyie Hill, Brendan Harris, Francis Beltran, Justin Jones, Royce Ring, Adrian Gonzalez, Ben Petrick, Bobby Hill, Phil Dumatrait, Brandon Claussen, Freddy Sanchez, Kurt Ainsworth, Carlos Pena, Jeremy Bonderman, Frankly German, JF Griffin, Justin Wayne, Carl Pavano, Ben Diggins, Bud Smith, Nick Bierbrodt, Jesse Foopert, Ben Zobrist, Ryan Wagner, Maximiliano Ramirez, C.J. Henry, Joel Guzman.

 

As you can tell, outside of Scott Kazmir, Brendan Harris (he's been a solid ML), Adrian Gonzalez, Freddy Sanchez, and Carlos Pena, and to a lesser degree Bonderman, this is a former who's who of failed top prospects. In fact in the past 10 yrs, I can only think of two deadline deals, in which a dang good player, was given up for top prospects, and the prospects panned out ( Randy Johnson trade to Houston, and Bartolo Colon to Montreal. Maybe I am forgetting one, so feel free to include it).

 

I surmise, thart you don't have to have great prospects to make a trade for a superstar player. Good prospects are usually more then enough to land quality impact players at the deadline. That's why I laugh at the suggestion that the Cubs don't have "top prospects" to land a CC Sabathia. Look what the Cards gave up for Mark McGwire. Look at what the Braves gave up for Tim Hudson.

 

I'm not saying the Cubs will land CC, I just believe the Cubs have enough good prospects--regardless of what people think of the system, right now---to make a fair offer for CC.