CC Sabathia Traded to Brewers (for LaPorta + Prospects)

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

I was wondering too. Since I don't think there is any team that would/could be interested that could match what Milwaukee could offer and that would include a deal that doesn't involve LaPorta or Gamel.

 

The Braves, Angels, Rays, Red Sox, Marlins, Rangers, Diamondbacks, and Dodgers all come to mind.

 

I like the prospects in Milwaukee's organization a bit more than those teams mentioned. Although, I do happen to like some of the Rangers prospects also.

 

If the Rangers wanted him, I'm sure a package built around some of their young hitters like Max Ramirez would be very attractive. I'm not sure if the Rangers will choose to go that route.

 

I agree. I added that I don't think they would do a deal. But, beyond Ramirez I would look at Beaven.

[TruffleShuffle]

It's currently believed that the Brew Crew are the front runners for Sabathia and they have the prospects to outbid the Cubs, IMO.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=767719

 

I think Sabathia will cost the Cubs at least Pie and Gallagher, maybe a Colvin.

 

I agree that if the Brewers decided to go after him, they have the prospects. LaPorta and Gamel are both studs. Gamel however is not going to stick at third. I think he has 27 errors already there this year. He needs to move to LF or 1B and he's not going to move ahead of Braun, Fielder, or LaPorta at those spots.

 

gamel might be able to do 1B. he's literally so bad at 3B that i don't think you can, with any confidence, project him to play a certain position in the future. he might have to be a DH, which obviously the indians can do, but he loses significant value if you go that route.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

It's currently believed that the Brew Crew are the front runners for Sabathia and they have the prospects to outbid the Cubs, IMO.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=767719

 

I think Sabathia will cost the Cubs at least Pie and Gallagher, maybe a Colvin.

 

I agree that if the Brewers decided to go after him, they have the prospects. LaPorta and Gamel are both studs. Gamel however is not going to stick at third. I think he has 27 errors already there this year. He needs to move to LF or 1B and he's not going to move ahead of Braun, Fielder, or LaPorta at those spots.

 

gamel might be able to do 1B. he's literally so bad at 3B that i don't think you can, with any confidence, project him to play a certain position in the future. he might have to be a DH, which obviously the indians can do, but he loses significant value if you go that route.

 

Even as a DH, he has value. His current line in the SL is 383/445/639. In 81 games, he has 28 2b and 15 HR. The kid can hit.

 

The Brewers also have a C on the Stars that has a 335/394/511 line. He'd probably interest the Indians as well. Cole Gillespie might also draw some interest.

[Shilzzz]

Where is this 'Gallagher is untouchable' stuff coming from? I know Hendry likes to do this, thinking it's going to quadruple trade value, but hadn't heard it said.

[Joe_Cub]

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=gammons_peter

 

Mananger Lou Piniella and Rothschild are close to being sold on pitcher Sean Gallagher.

 

But everyone knows the Cubs need one more front-line starter. They doubt they have enough to get C.C. Sabathia, although Hendry constantly touches base with Indians GM Mark Shapiro. They are monitoring Oakland; Rich Harden may be the best pitcher in the game. (Former teammate and current White Sox player Nick Swisher thinks someone should take Harden for this pennant run, then make him a closer). Everyone seems wary of Erik Bedard's makeup. There's interest in Randy Wolf, who despite his 14 team "no-trade" list would go to a contender. Wolf made a lot of friends in the Cubs organization by calling Hendry to explain why he chose the Dodgers over the Cubs for personal and family reasons when he went to L.A. The Cubs also keep looking at A.J. Burnett, in case. They'd love Aaron Cook, who apparently isn't available, and have kicked around Bronson Arroyo and Kevin Millwood.

 

Wolf makes sense, and the Padres still like Matt Murton. So perhaps that's a quick fix, unless they decide to try to get Greg Maddux to leave San Diego.

 

"It may come down to July 28," says one Cubs official. "But we almost certainly will do something. But we really don't want to give up Gallagher at this point."

[Derwood]

but Milwaukee trading for Sabathia would be SO out of their regular M.O. that I'd be shocked to see it.

 

this is also one of the first times they're in a position to make the playoffs.

 

They were in first place at the deadline last year. What big move did they make then?

[JWCUB]

but Milwaukee trading for Sabathia would be SO out of their regular M.O. that I'd be shocked to see it.

 

this is also one of the first times they're in a position to make the playoffs.

 

They were in first place at the deadline last year. What big move did they make then?

 

Linebrink

[JWCUB]

I still say the easiest way to assure us that the Brewers won't make a play for CC is for the Cubs to put together another good streak of baseball and hope that the Brewers scuffle a little. If they fall 8-10 games back, I think they stand pat.

[CubColtPacer]

I still say the easiest way to assure us that the Brewers won't make a play for CC is for the Cubs to put together another good streak of baseball and hope that the Brewers scuffle a little. If they fall 8-10 games back, I think they stand pat.

 

Both the Cubs and Cardinals would have to go on a hot streak for that to happen. Milwaukee would probably still make an acquisition (if they're planning to right now) if they were 6 or less out of the WC considering the small number of teams involved in that race right now. I don't see them falling 4 more games behind the Cardinals then they are now in another month.

[pretty blonde nobody]

"It may come down to July 28," says one Cubs official. "But we almost certainly will do something. But we really don't want to give up Gallagher at this point."

I'm sorry but if it comes down to not getting someone useful because Gallagher's "untouchable", that sucks. I appreciate what he's done and I'm sure he's got a nice career ahead of him as 3/4 starter somewhere, but come on. He isn't exactly another Carlos Zambrano that you've got to hold onto for dear life.

 

Gallagher's probably the best trade chip prospect the Cubs have, by far, and since they've got so few of those anyway, he's most likely got to go if you want to acquire someone that's actually going to make an impact. This delusion that anyone is going to give up any semblance of a frontline starter for crap the Cubs don't really want anyway is ridiculous (not anyone here, I mean the front office if they truly think this is possible).

 

But I guess this could also just as easily be B.S. trying to make Gallagher sound more elusive and thus desirable to other teams in hopes they'll be wowed if -- surprise! -- Hendry tells them he's available after all when trying to deal.

[shnsajax]

Watching Marquis makes me believe they want to do something soon

[Rusch33]

What about Boston?

 

I would think they have the tools to get something done.

[badnews]

Screw the future.

 

Win now.

 

A number of people said pretty much that exact same thing in the Brian Roberts trade thread.

 

The '93 Phillies could have had the Big Unit in what could have easily been their year, but opted to "stay young" and not give up their prospects. Turns out the WS was likely just one giant, hideous bird-man of a pitcher away.

 

Yeah... how many examples counter to this are there too? The Astros traded Freddy Garcia and Carlos Guillen for 3 months of Randy Johnson, he pitched well, and they got squat. Maybe Freddy Garcia now doesn't impress you but he did win an ERA title back then.

 

I'm not even arguing really, I just think you're oversimplifying things.

 

The problem with letting Sabathia walk if we trade for him, is its the Cubs front office who has to decide who to draft with those 2 picks.

 

Ha. Good point.

 

if there was some guarantee that we could sign Sabathia to an extension, then full speed ahead.

 

I don't understand why everyone is so hot for a Sabathia extension. By the time he gets into his 30s that obese body of his will fall apart in a heartbeat and the Cubs will be paying him like $21 million a year. I don't think the Cubs will spend the money.

 

Anyway, I don't mind trading whatever to get Sabathia because most of what the Cubs have to offer looks like crap more or less. But even with being desperate I don't see how the Cubs aren't outbid.

[CubsGM]

What about Boston?

 

I would think they have the tools to get something done.

Not really. Most of their top prospects are playing major roles on the team.

[badnews]

I think some people are deluding themselves a bit. Any time a team is mentioned that could need Sabathia or could easily outbid us (not difficult) someone has to jump in and cook up an excuse.

 

Seriously. I don't understand why it's crazy the Brewers would trade for Sabathia and grab the draft picks when they may not have a place to play EITHER Gamel or LaPorta, let alone both. Even the Cubs' "good" prospects are bland and uninteresting compared to other organizations. Veal has some pretty iffy peripherals for example. I seriously doubt putting together like 6 mediocre names is going to get the job done for a guy who won the Cy Young Award the previous season.

 

But okay. I'm sure the Cubs are going to get Sabathia because of their willingness to sweeten the pot with an additional 3 F+ prospects. "Not satisfied? Okay! We'll throw in Nate Spears, Mitch Atkins, and Matt Avery! Our prospects are your organizational filler!"

[Joe_Cub]

our minor league system is bare, even though it seems the cubs have thrown plenty of money around when drafting. how did it get this bad?

[Outshined_One]

our minor league system is bare, even though it seems the cubs have thrown plenty of money around when drafting. how did it get this bad?

 

A combination of graduations (Gallagher, Marshall, Soto), injuries (Rhee, Suarez), untimely slumps (Colvin, Donaldson, Pie, Cedeno, Hill), and being massively overhyped (Samardzija, Harvey) has hurt quite a bit. The past two drafts have re-stocked things from a quantity perspective, but from a quality perspective, things have not panned out as hoped.

[Tyrant]

If trading Gallagher as a centerpiece can get the Cubs CC Sabathia, this should be done already.

[CubinNY]

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=gammons_peter

 

Mananger Lou Piniella and Rothschild are close to being sold on pitcher Sean Gallagher.

 

But everyone knows the Cubs need one more front-line starter. They doubt they have enough to get C.C. Sabathia, although Hendry constantly touches base with Indians GM Mark Shapiro. They are monitoring Oakland; Rich Harden may be the best pitcher in the game. (Former teammate and current White Sox player Nick Swisher thinks someone should take Harden for this pennant run, then make him a closer). Everyone seems wary of Erik Bedard's makeup. There's interest in Randy Wolf, who despite his 14 team "no-trade" list would go to a contender. Wolf made a lot of friends in the Cubs organization by calling Hendry to explain why he chose the Dodgers over the Cubs for personal and family reasons when he went to L.A. The Cubs also keep looking at A.J. Burnett, in case. They'd love Aaron Cook, who apparently isn't available, and have kicked around Bronson Arroyo and Kevin Millwood.

 

Wolf makes sense, and the Padres still like Matt Murton. So perhaps that's a quick fix, unless they decide to try to get Greg Maddux to leave San Diego.

 

"It may come down to July 28," says one Cubs official. "But we almost certainly will do something. But we really don't want to give up Gallagher at this point."

That's what you call selling high.

[JWCUB]

Well, it has been a slow rumor day, so I have come up with a "what if" scenerio. What if Gallagher goes to the pen and Lou tests him out in the 8th inning spot? The Cubs have a couple of weeks to try this experiment. If Gallagher fails this test, then it blows my what if. However, if Gallagher dominates in the 8th inning, then here comes my what if. The Cubs could offer a package to the Indians centered around Marmol. I have been trolling arond the Indians boards and they have had it with Joe Bo. Marmol could be the new closer in Tribe Land. I am not advocating trading Marmol just for the sake of trading him. I would actually rather not trade him, but like I said, this is a what if. If I were Hendry, I would ask for a 72 hr signing window. If we give up Marmol, we have to make sure CC sticks arond for a while. I know I'm gonna get flamed for this post, but I would like to here some comments. Remember, this is a what if.

[XZero771679666304]

Shapiro doesn't have to deal Sabathia, and he knows it. If a team does acquire him, they are going to pay through the nose. I have a feeling Milwaukee would have to give up LaPorta and Gamel, and probably one of their young ML assets as well. If the Crew is only willing to give up one, then I think Shapiro would take his chances with the two draft picks.

 

Would Milwaukee go for that, seeing as they may well have a hole at 1B (which would be filled by LaPorta or Gamel) down the road?

 

I don't think the Cubs have enough to get him, unless they give up nearly all of their top prospects.

[third eye]

If they can extend CC, I would do that. Actually, even if there were no experiment with Gallagher in the late innings, moving Howry to the 8th inning/high leverage role and having Gallagher right behind him on the depth charts would be fine with me. If the Cubs are really serious about getting him, I think it is clear there will need to be a meaningful piece from the big league club as part of the deal. And honestly, given his work load so far this year, there's no guarantee that Marmol would be effective in September/October.

 

 

Edit: this was in response to the Marmol "what if" scenario

Edited July 2, 2008 by third eye

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I don't think the Cubs have enough to get him, unless they give up nearly all of their top prospects.

which shouldn't be a problem considering the vast majority of our "top" prospects aren't all that special

[JWCUB]

Did anyone else hear what Levine just said on ESPN1000? I have extremely bad reception. He was talking about the Cubs and Sabathia. I think he said the Cubs feel like the Brewers are the only team they have to beat as far as a package. I heard Ronny Cedeno mentioned as well. Can someone help me out? Edited July 2, 2008 by JWCUB

[David]

Levine is on MJH right now

 

Says names haven't been discussed yet, but his Indians source tells him that they'd be looking for Cedeno (to move Peralta out of SS), Gallagher, and one or two of ther top minor leaguers. I believe he mentioned Vitters.

 

 

He expects the Indians to make a move sometime in the next couple weeks with Sabathia. Also mentioned that Sabathia's preference would be an NL team, because he loves to hit and was a better hitter than Zambrano coming up (not sure why this comes into play, pretty sure CC doesn't have a NTC, maybe in terms of an extension).