Geovany Soto

[Warpticon]

Giving up some stolen bases hardly turns "every single" into a double.

 

I'm not going to turn this into semantics. No other catcher in baseball is even close when it comes to giving up SB, especially Kendall's performance as a Cub. He gets run on the most often, he throws out the fewest, and it's because everyone knows he simply doesn't have the arm to do it any more. To ignore the very tangible effect that will have over Soto, who's done everything you could possibly ask out of a catcher, is insanity.

 

Bonus fun fact: Kendall's also in the bottom 5 in passed balls.

 

 

Nice laydown. That isn't "semantics", but a gross exaggeration.

 

Good grief, did you really think I meant that every single baserunner we allow with Kendall catching gets to second? I've reiterated the point several times now. He's the worst catcher in baseball at throwing out runners, teams know this, and they are running on him more than any other catcher in baseball because of it. This leads to a lot of people getting free trips to second base. A lot more than Soto, who's shown an ability to throw more than 1 out of every 11 baserunners out, and who's also pounded the crap out of the ball for the last 6 months. It's a very easy decision on who should be catching.

 

 

Nope, I didn't believe it because it wasn't true. It was a gross exaggeration and those kind of statements don't help your arguments. it just makes you seem overly emotional and less rational.

 

The idea that me using a hyperbolic statement to help illustrate(with statistics and comparisons to other players) the nature of just how awful Kendall is at throwing out baserunners makes me look overemotional and irrational is hilarious. You're making strawman arguments and when prodded to the point you don't have an argument other than "Lou made the decision and I trust him".

 

 

Simply admit you made a gross exaggeration and move on. Or don't, whatever. But stop being silly about your statement.

 

Here's the thing.

 

EVERYBODY KNOWS HE MADE ANEXAGGERATION. WE ALL SPEAK ENGLISH HERE. IT WAS DONE FOR EFFECT. IT WAS OBVIOUS. NOBODY TOOK IT LITERALLY. Everybody seems to understand just fine the intended meaning, but for some reason, you seem inclined to explain it all to us. I'd be shocked if one person didn't get the point. This crap is unnecessary.

[Peoriaman]

Simply admit you made a gross exaggeration and move on. Or don't, whatever. But stop being silly about your statement.

Or maybe stop being so condescending to someone who has a better laid out and more reasoned argument and could ban you.

 

I kiss nobody's feet because he could "ban me".

 

 

He has every right to believe what he wants as I do.

 

^^Shrugs shoulders and wonders why everyone gets so hyped up over this stuff.^^

[wolf stansson]

Simply admit you made a gross exaggeration and move on. Or don't, whatever. But stop being silly about your statement.

Or maybe stop being so condescending to someone who has a better laid out and more reasoned argument and could ban you.

 

I kiss nobody's feet because he could "ban me".

 

 

He has every right to believe what he wants as I do.

 

^^Shrugs shoulders and wonders why everyone gets so hyped up over this stuff.^^

There is a difference between kissing feet and not being a douche.

 

TT doesn't need anyone to defend him though, so carry on with the Lou knows best routine.

[Banedon]

Ok calm down everyone. The namecalling in inappropriate.

 

Besides...I'm right anyway... :wink:

[Peoriaman]

Simply admit you made a gross exaggeration and move on. Or don't, whatever. But stop being silly about your statement.

Or maybe stop being so condescending to someone who has a better laid out and more reasoned argument and could ban you.

 

I kiss nobody's feet because he could "ban me".

 

 

He has every right to believe what he wants as I do.

 

^^Shrugs shoulders and wonders why everyone gets so hyped up over this stuff.^^

There is a difference between kissing feet and not being a douche.

 

TT doesn't need anyone to defend him though, so carry on with the Lou knows best routine.

 

 

You mention banning to me, and then call me a douche. Nice. You know how you sound?

[David]

 

EVERYBODY KNOWS HE MADE AN EXAGGERATION. WE ALL SPEAK ENGLISH HERE. IT WAS DONE FOR EFFECT. IT WAS OBVIOUS. NOBODY TOOK IT LITERALLY. Everybody seems to understand just fine the intended meaning, but for some reason, you seem inclined to explain it all to us. I'd be shocked if one person didn't get the point. This crap is unnecessary.

 

 

I was about to post something pretty much exactly along these lines.

 

 

TT obviously made an exaggeration. Nobody thought he meant that 100% of baserunners on first steal second on Kendall. The point was pretty obvious and sometimes hyperbole is for effect, and we all do it (or wait, I guess maybe we ALL don't, let's start another argument).

[CuseCubFan69]

And what were Barretts numbers throwing out runners this year?

 

As a Cub:

 

Barrett gave up 32 steals, 7 CS, for a 17.9 CS% in 52 starts

 

Kendall gave up 50 steals, 5 CS, for a 9.1 CS% in 47 starts

 

Interesting. Thanks.

[killthegoat06]

And what were Barretts numbers throwing out runners this year?

 

As a Cub:

 

Barrett gave up 32 steals, 7 CS, for a 17.9 CS% in 52 starts

 

Kendall gave up 50 steals, 5 CS, for a 9.1 CS% in 47 starts

 

Interesting. Thanks.

 

Kendall's a stud.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Don't be ridiculous. That may be the worst exaggeration on this board all week. I will apologize if someone can produce the stat which backs this up. You don't make your case very well when you make silly statements like this.

 

Well he hasn't thrown out a single guy on a straight steal since coming to the Cubs.

[Peoriaman]

 

Don't be ridiculous. That may be the worst exaggeration on this board all week. I will apologize if someone can produce the stat which backs this up. You don't make your case very well when you make silly statements like this.

 

Well he hasn't thrown out a single guy on a straight steal since coming to the Cubs.

 

 

The odd thing is that I am really not trying to make a case for either of them, I am just saying I trust Lou on this one. Heaven forbid. :)

[SouthSideRyan]

Well upon double checking the #s I see I'm probably wrong. He's thrown out 5 guys with the Cubs. (Seriously? When?) I know earlier I had heard the onyl guy he "caught stealing" was a guy trying to score on a wild pitch.

 

But the problem is Soto is better offensively than Kendall, even with steep regression, and he's light years better defensively. If you're better at both aspects of the game in addition to being a good "leader"(however you judge that, Soto seemed to fit the bill in his starts), then why wouldn't you start? Cause you weren't born in the 70s? It's ridiculous. And like most arguing against this, I like Lou, and really have been pleased with the managing job he's done, but as stated previously, this is Dustyness at its finest.

 

If he never gave Soto the chance to start, and just stuck with the vet all Setpember it would almost make more sense. This makes no sense whatsoever, you give the young guy the chance, he proves he can handle it, performs exceptionally well, and then benched for the guy who's sucked out loud the past month. Mind blowing.

[YearofDaCubs]

Kendall over Soto? Ridiculous. Kendall is terrible defensively and can't throw a runner to save his own life. Imagine how the pitcher will feel knowing that the person at first base can easily steal 2nd base and be in scoring position. I don't like this move by Lou, period.

[soccer10k]

Giving up some stolen bases hardly turns "every single" into a double.

 

I'm not going to turn this into semantics. No other catcher in baseball is even close when it comes to giving up SB, especially Kendall's performance as a Cub. He gets run on the most often, he throws out the fewest, and it's because everyone knows he simply doesn't have the arm to do it any more. To ignore the very tangible effect that will have over Soto, who's done everything you could possibly ask out of a catcher, is insanity.

 

Bonus fun fact: Kendall's also in the bottom 5 in passed balls.

 

 

Nice laydown. That isn't "semantics", but a gross exaggeration.

 

Good grief, did you really think I meant that every single baserunner we allow with Kendall catching gets to second? I've reiterated the point several times now. He's the worst catcher in baseball at throwing out runners, teams know this, and they are running on him more than any other catcher in baseball because of it. This leads to a lot of people getting free trips to second base. A lot more than Soto, who's shown an ability to throw more than 1 out of every 11 baserunners out, and who's also pounded the crap out of the ball for the last 6 months. It's a very easy decision on who should be catching.

 

 

Nope, I didn't believe it because it wasn't true. It was a gross exaggeration and those kind of statements don't help your arguments. it just makes you seem overly emotional and less rational.

 

The idea that me using a hyperbolic statement to help illustrate(with statistics and comparisons to other players) the nature of just how awful Kendall is at throwing out baserunners makes me look overemotional and irrational is hilarious. You're making strawman arguments and when prodded to the point you don't have an argument other than "Lou made the decision and I trust him".

 

 

Simply admit you made a gross exaggeration and move on. Or don't, whatever. But stop being silly about your statement.

 

See the bold. He already admitted that he exaggerated on every runner that reaches first gets an extra base. Good lord.

[Soul]

Ok calm down everyone. The namecalling in inappropriate.

 

Besides...I'm right anyway... :wink:

 

LOL 8-)

[Soul]

You know, if we could just beat the damn fish I'll bet we wouldn't be ripping each other apart like this.

[inari]

 

Don't be ridiculous. That may be the worst exaggeration on this board all week. I will apologize if someone can produce the stat which backs this up. You don't make your case very well when you make silly statements like this.

 

Well he hasn't thrown out a single guy on a straight steal since coming to the Cubs.

 

 

The odd thing is that I am really not trying to make a case for either of them, I am just saying I trust Lou on this one. Heaven forbid. :)

 

As mentioned before, this is blind faith. Dusty was an expert by your standards as well, but I'll be damned if I didn't criticize every other thing he did (because it was stupid).

[soccer10k]

From Cubs.com

 

Expect Jason Kendall to get the majority of starts behind the plate for the remaining games. "This is experience time," Baker said. "This is when you use experience people, and you go with them. This is not time to experiment too much or get too cute."

 

Lol what a bunch of BS. Absolute crap, plain and simple.

 

If I made the bolded change, would it surprise anybody?

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Don't be ridiculous. That may be the worst exaggeration on this board all week. I will apologize if someone can produce the stat which backs this up. You don't make your case very well when you make silly statements like this.

 

Well he hasn't thrown out a single guy on a straight steal since coming to the Cubs.

 

 

The odd thing is that I am really not trying to make a case for either of them, I am just saying I trust Lou on this one. Heaven forbid. :)

 

Yes, it is odd that you are ignoring all the facts and trusting the wrong decision to be right simply because it's made by Lou.

[CubmanPi]

This thread took a ridiculous turn. Soto Christ.

[imb]

wait, we're starting kendall because he has more experience and we need that in a pennant race? Isn't all of his experience playing for the soap dropping pirates?

 

What am I missing here?

[soccer10k]

wait, we're starting kendall because he has more experience and we need that in a pennant race? Isn't all of his experience playing for the soap dropping pirates?

 

What am I missing here?

 

His GRIT factor is off the charts. Probably top-10 all-time.

[inari]

Kendall is one scruffy lookin' dude.

[Peoriaman]

 

Don't be ridiculous. That may be the worst exaggeration on this board all week. I will apologize if someone can produce the stat which backs this up. You don't make your case very well when you make silly statements like this.

 

Well he hasn't thrown out a single guy on a straight steal since coming to the Cubs.

 

 

The odd thing is that I am really not trying to make a case for either of them, I am just saying I trust Lou on this one. Heaven forbid. :)

 

As mentioned before, this is blind faith. Dusty was an expert by your standards as well, but I'll be damned if I didn't criticize every other thing he did (because it was stupid).

 

 

Not blind faith. Sorry. If it was K Hill over Soto, that would be blind faith.

[UK1679666180]

You can trust the job Lou is doing overall and still disagree with individual moves, I won't give him the benefit of the doubt based on experience as there are plenty of equally qualified managers in the game who would go with Soto. I happen to think Soto gives the Cubs the best chance to win.

[Peoriaman]

You can trust the job Lou is doing overall and still disagree with individual moves

 

I absolutely agree. I am not telling anybody they are wrong here, just saying I think it is close enough here that I trust Lou's decision. Nothing more, nothing less. I am sorry if that pisses people off. I truly am.

Edited September 27, 2007 by Peoriaman