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[Transmogrified Tiger]

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would,

 

which is crazy.

Spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll talk.

 

Give me a break. The success of the Cubs is priority 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. It doesn't matter who a trade is with, if it makes the Cubs better we should do it. At no point should it EVER be of concern how much flak the fans will take if the trade doesn't work out as planned.

[Mizzou]

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would,

 

which is crazy.

Spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll talk.

So what you're essentially saying is that on any given day, you'd rather be able to make fun of a Sox fan than see the Cubs win, if given the choice between the two?

No, I'm saying that we cannot allow a trade with the White Sox to turn out to be Garland-Karchner. I want the Cubs to win a World Series, but only do it w/ the White Sox help if the trade would help us now AND in the future.

Well first off, Garland isn't exactly a good pitcher. Granted, I'd say that the Sox got the better end of the deal, but it's not like we gave up a great pitcher or anything. Prior to last year, he had always been below average as a starter, and this year he has flat out sucked (his ERA is over 6). Simply put, I think you're putting too much stock into what your Sox fan friends have been saying about that trade. Garland is mediocre at best.

 

And I agree with what you said about trades... only do it if it helps us. Rival fans and what they might say should have absolutely no bearing on an offer that was on the table.

[CubsBullsBears]

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would,

 

which is crazy.

Spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll talk.

 

Give me a break. The success of the Cubs is priority 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. It doesn't matter who a trade is with, if it makes the Cubs better we should do it. At no point should it EVER be of concern how much flak the fans will take if the trade doesn't work out as planned.

You spend a few years in Chicago too and then we'll have this discussion.

[Mizzou]

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would,

 

which is crazy.

Spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll talk.

 

Give me a break. The success of the Cubs is priority 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. It doesn't matter who a trade is with, if it makes the Cubs better we should do it. At no point should it EVER be of concern how much flak the fans will take if the trade doesn't work out as planned.

Again, spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll have this discussion.

That's stupid. I've been surrounded by Cardinals fans all of my life. I'd say that 95% of my friends are Cards fans. If there was a trade that would help the Cubs but run the risk of me hearing trash talk from my buddies, I'd want the trade to happen 100 times out of 100 opportunities. Maybe I'm just more of a Cubs fan than you are, I don't know. And I don't mean that as an insult or a "I'm better than you" in any way. I just can't fathom having the attitude that you have about this.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would,

 

which is crazy.

Spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll talk.

 

Give me a break. The success of the Cubs is priority 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. It doesn't matter who a trade is with, if it makes the Cubs better we should do it. At no point should it EVER be of concern how much flak the fans will take if the trade doesn't work out as planned.

Again, spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll have this discussion.

 

Are you under the impression that everyone that lives in Chicago feels this way? You're in the vast minority with this irrational opinion. And not that it makes the slightest of differences, but I live in the middle of Cardinal country, and still wouldn't have the slightest of worries about trading with them if it made us better.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would,

 

which is crazy.

Spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll talk.

 

Give me a break. The success of the Cubs is priority 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. It doesn't matter who a trade is with, if it makes the Cubs better we should do it. At no point should it EVER be of concern how much flak the fans will take if the trade doesn't work out as planned.

 

Thank-you.

 

The only priority in a trade should be does it improve your team. Sometimes you're trying to impove for the future, sometimes for the present. You have to always balance those goals when trading prospects or young players for a current player.

 

I think it is ok to worry about how the trade might improve weaknesses of a divisional foe since they will be the competition, but the primary (and only focus) should be is it a good trade for your team. If the scouts and team personel and those involved believe it is, then you make the trade. As far as trading partners, we should view the White Sox just as we would the Indians, Devil Rays, Texas Rangers, Twins, Mariners, Orioles or any other team from the other league.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would,

 

which is crazy.

Spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll talk.

 

Give me a break. The success of the Cubs is priority 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. It doesn't matter who a trade is with, if it makes the Cubs better we should do it. At no point should it EVER be of concern how much flak the fans will take if the trade doesn't work out as planned.

You spend a few years in Chicago too and then we'll have this discussion.

 

Same person.

[CubsBullsBears]

Whatever. As for trading with the Cardinals, I would definatly want to fleece them b/c they're in the division.

[XZero771679666304]

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would,

 

which is crazy.

Spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll talk.

 

Give me a break. The success of the Cubs is priority 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. It doesn't matter who a trade is with, if it makes the Cubs better we should do it. At no point should it EVER be of concern how much flak the fans will take if the trade doesn't work out as planned.

You spend a few years in Chicago too and then we'll have this discussion.

 

I have spent a great deal of time in Chicago, and probably hate the Sox more than you can probably concieve of.

 

If you think a trade with the Sox can help the team, you make it. For one, I don't think a veteran reliever is likely to haunt us for years.

 

Secondly, it's not like the Cubs haven't gotten the best of the Sox before (Bell for Sosa).

 

Thirdly, sucking so badly after the Sox won the series is far worse than the fallout from any trade.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

If the trade helps or could possibly help the Cubs the trade needs to be made even if that trade in some way improves the Sox or presents the Sox with possible talent.

 

I live in Chicago and have my entire life. Beyond that my entire family are White Sox fans. The exceptions being myself and my father. We hear non stop from my uncles and cousins about the great 2005 and now 2006 White Sox. We are forced to wallow in the Cubs' misery. On Christmas my father and I had to sit there as my family members were wearing Chicago White Sox Santa Claus caps.

 

Yes these:

 

 

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j163/Niner74/SoxSantaHat.jpg

 

Beyond that I work on the southside and am constantly reminded that I am a Cub fan as they laugh that jovial laugh.

 

All this and I still believe that if there is a benefit for the Cubs or a risk that is worth taking for the Cubs then they should go ahead and make the move even if it helps out the White Sox.

 

By the way, Garland was excellent for the Sox last year and in particular in the playoffs. But, re signing him to the contract they just did in the off season may hamper them in future signings. This re signing may be something that haunts Kenny Williams if he keeps up the way he has this year.

Edited June 11, 2006 by RonnieWooWooSanto

[abuck1220]

this thread is rude, dumb, and obnoxious.

[NorthsideAvenger]

this thread is rude, dumb, and obnoxious.

 

Agreed.

[nilodnayr]

FYI (and kinda ironic), Scott Eyre HATES the White Sox.

[CubsBullsBears]

FYI (and kinda ironic), Scott Eyre HATES the White Sox.

So does Bob Howry. And Mark Buerhle hates the Cubs (more from a Cardinals view than White Sox view, though)

[Andy]

Was it Eyre or Howry that, when asked about his time on the South Side shortly after the Cubs signed him, said, "It sucked and that's all I'm going to say about that"?

[SouthSideRyan]

That santa hat is the most hillbilly thing I think I've ever seen.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Whatever. As for trading with the Cardinals, I would definatly want to fleece them b/c they're in the division.

 

So you don't want to fleece, say, the Diamondbacks in a trade? Just the Sox and the Cards?

 

You come off as a Sox-hater first, Cubs fan second.

[Outshined_One]

I'd rather fleece every team in a trade AND be able to rub it in to the fans of that team!

 

I'm an equal opportunist hater.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

That santa hat is the most hillbilly thing I think I've ever seen.

 

I think my family bought everything that was Sox related. Thankfully they are not hillbillys otherwise couple that with the whole Sox fan thing and I might be spending holidays alone. Actually they aren't far from where you live if you're in Evergreen Park.

 

Thankfully the Bears/Packers were on Christmas night because for some reason I'm thinking if they were not we would have been watching the White Sox world championship DVD. :roll:

[CubsBullsBears]

Whatever. As for trading with the Cardinals, I would definatly want to fleece them b/c they're in the division.

 

So you don't want to fleece, say, the Diamondbacks in a trade? Just the Sox and the Cards?

 

You come off as a Sox-hater first, Cubs fan second.

NO!! I like the Cubs more than anything. I only sound like a Cubs fan w/ a White Sox attitude b/c so many fans force me to go into pissing matches. I used to never care about them, I started hating them once I moved to New Trier and once I joined forums and dealt with moronic fans in person and online.

[abuck1220]

Whatever. As for trading with the Cardinals, I would definatly want to fleece them b/c they're in the division.

 

So you don't want to fleece, say, the Diamondbacks in a trade? Just the Sox and the Cards?

 

You come off as a Sox-hater first, Cubs fan second.

NO!! I like the Cubs more than anything. I only sound like a Cubs fan w/ a White Sox attitude b/c so many fans force me to go into pissing matches. I used to never care about them, I started hating them once I moved to New Trier and once I joined forums and dealt with moronic fans in person and online.

 

"forced"...like at gunpoint?

[CubsBullsBears]

Whatever. As for trading with the Cardinals, I would definatly want to fleece them b/c they're in the division.

 

So you don't want to fleece, say, the Diamondbacks in a trade? Just the Sox and the Cards?

 

You come off as a Sox-hater first, Cubs fan second.

NO!! I like the Cubs more than anything. I only sound like a Cubs fan w/ a White Sox attitude b/c so many fans force me to go into pissing matches. I used to never care about them, I started hating them once I moved to New Trier and once I joined forums and dealt with moronic fans in person and online.

 

"forced"...like at gunpoint?

No. I have a very short fuse, and fans inciting me, talking smack about the Garland-Karchner deal, talking about the Cubs losing all the time, relying too much on power, Wood is overrated, etc. All that crap.

[NCCubFan]

No. I have a very short fuse, and fans inciting me, talking smack about the Garland-Karchner deal, talking about the Cubs losing all the time, relying too much on power, Wood is overrated, etc. All that crap.

The Cubs shouldn't avoid trading with the Sox because you have a short fuse. If a trade helps the Cubs, they should make it regardless of whether it also helps the other team (with the possible exception of trades with other NL Central teams). If a trade would help the Cubs, the fact that it might help the Sox as much or more doesn't make it a bad trade. Improving the team is the one and only important factor. That's true for trades with the Sox every bit as much as it is for trades with other teams.

[abuck1220]

Whatever. As for trading with the Cardinals, I would definatly want to fleece them b/c they're in the division.

 

So you don't want to fleece, say, the Diamondbacks in a trade? Just the Sox and the Cards?

 

You come off as a Sox-hater first, Cubs fan second.

NO!! I like the Cubs more than anything. I only sound like a Cubs fan w/ a White Sox attitude b/c so many fans force me to go into pissing matches. I used to never care about them, I started hating them once I moved to New Trier and once I joined forums and dealt with moronic fans in person and online.

 

"forced"...like at gunpoint?

No. I have a very short fuse, and fans inciting me, talking smack about the Garland-Karchner deal, talking about the Cubs losing all the time, relying too much on power, Wood is overrated, etc. All that crap.

 

well, by all means, the cubs should make personnel decisions with your inability to control your temper in mind.

[Roast]

 

You come off as a Sox-hater first, Cubs fan second.

 

I second this motion.

 

And add an ammendment,

 

You also sound oh so much like the type of sox fan you are bashing. You know, Obnoxious, unreasonable, and more worried about the team on the other side of town and what their fans will say than the success of their own team.