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[Mizzou]

We finally get a good pen and have two real good guys locked up for the next couple years and we're going to trade them? I don't care how bad we are this year, that's just stupid.

[goonys evil twin]

We finally get a good pen and have two real good guys locked up for the next couple years and we're going to trade them? I don't care how bad we are this year, that's just stupid.

 

A good pen is worthless without offense and starting pitching.

 

And relievers have very short shelf lives. I'd take what I can get while they are still good. Most people liked the pitchers, they just didn't like the longterm deals handed to them.

[minnesotacubsfan]

NO!! No trades with them unless we get an arm or a leg.

 

I'd rather have McCarthy, you know Perez, he'll try to bat with the said arm or leg

[Warren Brusstar]

Without Karchner, the Cubs don't make the playoffs in 98. Garland has had one season as a starter that would allow him to crack a healthy Cubs rotation. It was a bad trade, but it wasn't terrible.

 

Huh? His ERA was 5.14 in 28 innings after the trade. That's an ERA+ of 86. And you think the Cubs wouldn't have made the playoffs without him? To the contrary, it's more likely that they would have won the wild card without need for a one game playoff.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Without Karchner, the Cubs don't make the playoffs in 98. Garland has had one season as a starter that would allow him to crack a healthy Cubs rotation. It was a bad trade, but it wasn't terrible.

 

Huh? His ERA was 5.14 in 28 innings after the trade. That's an ERA+ of 86. And you think the Cubs wouldn't have made the playoffs without him? To the contrary, it's more likely that they would have won the wild card without need for a one game playoff.

 

Oh snap, I missed that post. Karchner was HORRIBLE with a capital HORR as a member of the Cubs. They might as well have brought Jeff Pico out of "retirement". Felix Heredia was better than Karchner. Enough said.

[srbin84]

Without Karchner, the Cubs don't make the playoffs in 98. Garland has had one season as a starter that would allow him to crack a healthy Cubs rotation. It was a bad trade, but it wasn't terrible.

 

Huh? His ERA was 5.14 in 28 innings after the trade. That's an ERA+ of 86. And you think the Cubs wouldn't have made the playoffs without him? To the contrary, it's more likely that they would have won the wild card without need for a one game playoff.

 

Oh snap, I missed that post. Karchner was HORRIBLE with a capital HORR as a member of the Cubs. They might as well have brought Jeff Pico out of "retirement". Felix Heredia was better than Karchner. Enough said.

 

All I remember is him being 3-1. I know wins don't matter, but Wengart would have got a lot of his innings, and I think that would have been a disaster.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Without Karchner, the Cubs don't make the playoffs in 98. Garland has had one season as a starter that would allow him to crack a healthy Cubs rotation. It was a bad trade, but it wasn't terrible.

 

Huh? His ERA was 5.14 in 28 innings after the trade. That's an ERA+ of 86. And you think the Cubs wouldn't have made the playoffs without him? To the contrary, it's more likely that they would have won the wild card without need for a one game playoff.

 

Oh snap, I missed that post. Karchner was HORRIBLE with a capital HORR as a member of the Cubs. They might as well have brought Jeff Pico out of "retirement". Felix Heredia was better than Karchner. Enough said.

 

All I remember is him being 3-1. I know wins don't matter, but Wengart would have got a lot of his innings, and I think that would have been a disaster.

 

Both had an 86 ERA+ for the Cubs.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

You obviosly don't get it. Any trade with the White Sox or Cardinals, in my book needs to cost them a little more than other teams, since we hate their guts.

 

Correction, YOU hate their guts.

 

I'd trade with them in a heartbeat if it was a good trade. A good trade is a good trade is a good trade reguardless of who its with. (The exception to this rule being certain interdivision trades)

And if the deal turns out to be a Garland for Karchner deal, with the Cubs getting the short end of the stick, do you want to deal w/ moronic Sox fans shoving it down your throat??

 

Uhh, I believe the Cubs get to trade with the White Sox, not their fans.

 

The Garland-for-Karchner trade was bad from the get-go because Karchner was awful. I wouldn't want the Cubs to trade Garland for for Karchner if they were trading with a team from Siberia. The point of a trade is not to get the short end of the stick - it hurts as much to be burned by the Orioles in trades as it does to be burned by the White Sox (if you were giving up the same players fo the same players. The White Sox don't get extra points for burning a so-called rival.

 

By the way, I don't think the Sox would do McCarthy, Fields or Broadway for Howry - and those are the guys I'd want from the Sox.

[srbin84]

Without Karchner, the Cubs don't make the playoffs in 98. Garland has had one season as a starter that would allow him to crack a healthy Cubs rotation. It was a bad trade, but it wasn't terrible.

 

Huh? His ERA was 5.14 in 28 innings after the trade. That's an ERA+ of 86. And you think the Cubs wouldn't have made the playoffs without him? To the contrary, it's more likely that they would have won the wild card without need for a one game playoff.

 

Oh snap, I missed that post. Karchner was HORRIBLE with a capital HORR as a member of the Cubs. They might as well have brought Jeff Pico out of "retirement". Felix Heredia was better than Karchner. Enough said.

 

All I remember is him being 3-1. I know wins don't matter, but Wengart would have got a lot of his innings, and I think that would have been a disaster.

 

Both had an 86 ERA+ for the Cubs.

 

That stat means nothing in this instance. Wengart was a consistently bad pitcher. Karchner was hot and cold. A consistently bad pitcher is worthless but one that has the odd scoreless performance can help you get an extra game or two.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Without Karchner, the Cubs don't make the playoffs in 98. Garland has had one season as a starter that would allow him to crack a healthy Cubs rotation. It was a bad trade, but it wasn't terrible.

 

Huh? His ERA was 5.14 in 28 innings after the trade. That's an ERA+ of 86. And you think the Cubs wouldn't have made the playoffs without him? To the contrary, it's more likely that they would have won the wild card without need for a one game playoff.

 

Oh snap, I missed that post. Karchner was HORRIBLE with a capital HORR as a member of the Cubs. They might as well have brought Jeff Pico out of "retirement". Felix Heredia was better than Karchner. Enough said.

 

All I remember is him being 3-1. I know wins don't matter, but Wengart would have got a lot of his innings, and I think that would have been a disaster.

 

Both had an 86 ERA+ for the Cubs.

 

That stat means nothing in this instance. Wengart was a consistently bad pitcher. Karchner was hot and cold. A consistently bad pitcher is worthless but one that has the odd scoreless performance can help you get an extra game or two.

 

You're going to need some sort of evidence of that for that argument to hold any water. And even then, the point that Karchner is somehow avoiding "disaster" in Wengert is a poor one.

[CubsBullsBears]

The reason I want to demand an arm or leg from the Sox is b/c you have to consider the PR part as well.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The reason I want to demand an arm or leg from the Sox is b/c you have to consider the PR part as well.

 

Win ballgames and you'll win the PR part. Don't forgo a good trade because you aren't fleecing the other team and you have a better chance of winning.

[soccer10k]

That stat means nothing in this instance. Wengart was a consistently bad pitcher. Karchner was hot and cold. A consistently bad pitcher is worthless but one that has the odd scoreless performance can help you get an extra game or two.

 

Glendon Rusch has pitched a couple good games as well but I doubt you would find anybody on this board that would call Rusch anything better than worthless.

 

A consistently bad pitcher is better IMO because he is just that, consistent. To me, a pitcher that is up and down is worse because you don't know what you are going to get out of him. With the consistently bad pitcher, you aren't going to bring him in during a tight situation unless you absolutely have to therefore not allowing him to blow as many games. Who cares if he gives up 5 runs when you are already down a bunch? But the up and down pitcher could get brought in during a tight situation and blow it. He could be good, but he could be bad and you just have to hope for him to be good.

[CubsBullsBears]

The reason I want to demand an arm or leg from the Sox is b/c you have to consider the PR part as well.

 

Win ballgames and you'll win the PR part. Don't forgo a good trade because you aren't fleecing the other team and you have a better chance of winning.

It's different in Chicago. Cubs fans have 2 enemies: The Cardinals and White Sox. You may not have to deal w/ the White Sox crap out in CA, but I don't want to deal w/ moronic Sox fans.

[srbin84]

The reason I want to demand an arm or leg from the Sox is b/c you have to consider the PR part as well.

 

Win ballgames and you'll win the PR part. Don't forgo a good trade because you aren't fleecing the other team and you have a better chance of winning.

It's different in Chicago. Cubs fans have 2 enemies: The Cardinals and White Sox. You may not have to deal w/ the White Sox crap out in CA, but I don't want to deal w/ moronic Sox fans.

 

Good point. They are some of the most obnoxious people on the planet.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The reason I want to demand an arm or leg from the Sox is b/c you have to consider the PR part as well.

 

Win ballgames and you'll win the PR part. Don't forgo a good trade because you aren't fleecing the other team and you have a better chance of winning.

It's different in Chicago. Cubs fans have 2 enemies: The Cardinals and White Sox. You may not have to deal w/ the White Sox crap out in CA, but I don't want to deal w/ moronic Sox fans.

 

Yeah, it's not like I don't have cousins who are White Sox fans who were rather harsh last October (and ever since).

 

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

[CubsBullsBears]

The reason I want to demand an arm or leg from the Sox is b/c you have to consider the PR part as well.

 

Win ballgames and you'll win the PR part. Don't forgo a good trade because you aren't fleecing the other team and you have a better chance of winning.

It's different in Chicago. Cubs fans have 2 enemies: The Cardinals and White Sox. You may not have to deal w/ the White Sox crap out in CA, but I don't want to deal w/ moronic Sox fans.

 

Good point. They are some of the most obnoxious people on the planet.

They're the most obnoxious people on the planet. Not to mention they're also the rudest and dumbest people as well. Sox fans are rude, dumb, and obnoxious. I hate their fans.

[Mizzou]

The reason I want to demand an arm or leg from the Sox is b/c you have to consider the PR part as well.

 

Win ballgames and you'll win the PR part. Don't forgo a good trade because you aren't fleecing the other team and you have a better chance of winning.

It's different in Chicago. Cubs fans have 2 enemies: The Cardinals and White Sox. You may not have to deal w/ the White Sox crap out in CA, but I don't want to deal w/ moronic Sox fans.

 

Good point. They are some of the most obnoxious people on the planet.

They're the most obnoxious people on the planet. Not to mention they're also the rudest and dumbest people as well. Sox fans are rude, dumb, and obnoxious. I hate their fans.

Yeah, I think we all get that.

[CubsBullsBears]

The reason I want to demand an arm or leg from the Sox is b/c you have to consider the PR part as well.

 

Win ballgames and you'll win the PR part. Don't forgo a good trade because you aren't fleecing the other team and you have a better chance of winning.

It's different in Chicago. Cubs fans have 2 enemies: The Cardinals and White Sox. You may not have to deal w/ the White Sox crap out in CA, but I don't want to deal w/ moronic Sox fans.

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would, b/c basic princpiles come into play here: You cannot allow rude, dumb, and obnoxious fans to shove it down your throat.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would,

 

which is crazy.

[CubsBullsBears]

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would,

 

which is crazy.

Spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll talk.

[Mizzou]

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would,

 

which is crazy.

Spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll talk.

So what you're essentially saying is that on any given day, you'd rather be able to make fun of a Sox fan than see the Cubs win, if given the choice between the two?

[XZero771679666304]

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would,

 

which is crazy.

Spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll talk.

So what you're essentially saying is that on any given day, you'd rather be able to make fun of a Sox fan than see the Cubs win, if given the choice between the two?

 

That sounds like the attitude of a Sox fan.

[CubsBullsBears]

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would,

 

which is crazy.

Spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll talk.

So what you're essentially saying is that on any given day, you'd rather be able to make fun of a Sox fan than see the Cubs win, if given the choice between the two?

No, I'm saying that we cannot allow a trade with the White Sox to turn out to be Garland-Karchner. I want the Cubs to win a World Series, but only do it w/ the White Sox help if the trade would help us now AND in the future.

[CubsBullsBears]

So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

I would,

 

which is crazy.

Spend a few years in Chicago and then we'll talk.

So what you're essentially saying is that on any given day, you'd rather be able to make fun of a Sox fan than see the Cubs win, if given the choice between the two?

 

That sounds like the attitude of a Sox fan.

That's excatly the way they think and why their fans are so rude, dumb, and obnoxious.