The Corey Patterson Thread

[srbin84]

corey's biggest problem was psychological. he needed dr. phil or phil jackson.

 

Or maybe he just needed to be coached by people who know what the hell they're doing at least every once in a while. Corey himself said he thought he should be batting lower in the lineup, specifically as a #6 hitter. Well, the Orioles are doing just that, and letting him work there. And look at the results. Wow, what a radical approach...nobody could have EVER thought of that! Corey definitely had some ego "issues," but if what he's doing now with the O's continues, it should prove he was VERY far from being uncoachable, or terrible or a headcase, or whatever other excuses want to be made. His success should be one of the most scathing indictments of how bad the Cubs' management and coaching staffs are right now.

 

 

corey had plenty of ab's in the 7/8 hole last year. sure some blame should be placed on the cubs coaching, but most the blame falls on corey.

 

He was yanked around the lineup and expected to change his role on a near weekly basis. The Cubs' plans for him seemed to change with the winds. That kind of inconsistency and blatant misunderstanding of your own farm pick is murder on the game of a younger playing still trying to find his role and skills.

 

It's obvious even the Cubs realized that. Look how much playing time Murton and Cedeno have gotten towards the bottom of the lineup. Most of their switches have been to the two spot. Consistency. Corey was seemingly expected to be everything except the three and four hitters.

 

And I'm not saying he may have not been a difficult player to coach. But those players are going to come around enough that having coaches that can't deal with those situations are a real problem. Look at what it means we might miss out on.

 

He is hitting .290 with less than 150 AB's. I will hold out judgement until August or September after the "book" gets out on him in the AL. Maybe he will keep it up, but I have a feeling that over the course of the season teams will discover the flaws that we all know still exist in his swing and hitting approach and his numbers will come back down to more closely resemble his career averages.

 

Shoulder high fastballs?

[Chris]

after the "book" gets out on him in the AL.

 

I'm pretty sure AL teams have scouting reports on Patterson.

[imb]

you dont need a book on him, you need a sentence "dont throw him anything over the plate". It's just not working now for some reason.

[CubfaninCA]

Can we really STOP talking about Corey Patterson? He isn't a Cub, anymore, and he should be out of sight, out of mind. The only Patterson we should talk about is his brother, Eric.

 

Can't agree.

 

I have no problem w/ Corey, Dontrelle Willis and Nomar being brought up over and over.

 

Nothing wrong w/ discussing moves the Cubs have made the past few years.

[SouthSideRyan]

My fantasy team likes Corey.

[CubfaninCA]

corey's biggest problem was psychological. he needed dr. phil or phil jackson.

 

Or maybe he just needed to be coached by people who know what the hell they're doing at least every once in a while. Corey himself said he thought he should be batting lower in the lineup, specifically as a #6 hitter. Well, the Orioles are doing just that, and letting him work there. And look at the results. Wow, what a radical approach...nobody could have EVER thought of that! Corey definitely had some ego "issues," but if what he's doing now with the O's continues, it should prove he was VERY far from being uncoachable, or terrible or a headcase, or whatever other excuses want to be made. His success should be one of the most scathing indictments of how bad the Cubs' management and coaching staffs are right now.

 

 

corey had plenty of ab's in the 7/8 hole last year. sure some blame should be placed on the cubs coaching, but most the blame falls on corey.

 

He was yanked around the lineup and expected to change his role on a near weekly basis. The Cubs' plans for him seemed to change with the winds. That kind of inconsistency and blatant misunderstanding of your own farm pick is murder on the game of a younger playing still trying to find his role and skills.

 

It's obvious even the Cubs realized that. Look how much playing time Murton and Cedeno have gotten towards the bottom of the lineup. Most of their switches have been to the two spot. Consistency. Corey was seemingly expected to be everything except the three and four hitters.

 

And I'm not saying he may have not been a difficult player to coach. But those players are going to come around enough that having coaches that can't deal with those situations are a real problem. Look at what it means we might miss out on.

 

I didn't like them jerking Corey all over the lineup either, but he had been up since 2001. He wasn't some newcomer like murton or cedeno.

 

I wanted him back up asap after he was sent to iowa last year. however, he choked big time. He has to take most the responsibility for his abysmal .602 ops. Perhaps it's a lot better for Corey that he's out of the Cub spotlight. Baltimore doesn't have near the expectations.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think Corey's "book" is a bit overrated at this point. I've going out of my way to try and see him play on EI this past month, and he's very noticeably not going after pitches that would would have had him down 1-2-3 in the past...namely the high fastballs. He's taking pitches and swinging much smarter, and hitting a lot of different pitches. I'll be surprised if he keeps up this pace or better for the whole year, but I highly doubt he gets anywhere near his lows with the Cubs.

[Proven Veteran]

1 for 3 today with a walk and 2 more SB.

[David]

I can't say I'm all that surprised.

 

I put it all on the coaching staff(s). They all wanted to turn Corey into a slap (crap) hitter. With the comments we've heard from these coaches over the years, I also doubt they were doing much to emphasize his plate discipline. They were almost certainly preaching the very aggressiveness that got him into so much trouble.

 

This team's management... I just... hate it. At this point, I am just rooting for the name, because I am so strongly opposed to the way this team is run that it frustrates the HELL out of me. There's no end in sight. Hendry was just re-upped. He's chomping at the bit to re-sign Dusty. How can I root for this team when they are committed to doing everything the wrong way?

 

I saw the whole walks "clog the bases" thing again in a thread recently. It was so depressing. How can a man be this idiotic? How can a man employed to run a major league baseball team be this baseball-stupid? For our own manager to ask if the winners of the World Series the last few years were concerned with OBP, and then to use the Yankees as an example? For one, the Yankees haven't even won one since 2000. On top of that, they STILL have been one of the most patient teams in baseball through all these years. Worse yet, if I remember right, he said it early in 2005...just after the Red Sox had won it. Were the Red Sox concerned with OBP? Wow. Just Wow.

 

/rant

 

I realize I just went totally off the thread topic. Oh, well.

Edited June 2, 2006 by David

[johnnyba99]

This team's management... I just... hate it. At this point, I am just rooting for the name, because I am so strongly opposed to the way this team is run that it frustrates the HELL out of me. There's no end in sight. Hendry was just re-upped. He's chomping at the bit to re-sign Dusty. How can I root for this team when they are committed to doing everything the wrong way?

 

I've been thinking the same thing for about a month now. No matter how hard I try I still want to see the Cubs on TV or check the boxscore every morning and hope that they win, but I agree with most everything you said. Oh, and so I do have something to say about the thread topic, I'm proud of Corey and wish him the best of luck he really seems to be playing well now.

[imb]

2-4 again today with 2 more runs and 2 more stolen bases (25). On pace for 80 sb this year.

[JonnyRed]

What is really surprising is how C-Pat is leading the majors in SBs. We never fully exploited that talent on the Cubs. The last two years, I thought it was strange how his SBs would come in bunches for the Cubs. It was like Dusty would forget to give him the steal sign for a few weeks and then he'd have 4-5 steals over a few game stretch. Another example of the fine mis-management of Cubs players.

[Mark Priors Calves]

I'd like to see him selected to the All-Star game for the Orioles.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'd like to see him selected to the All-Star game for the Orioles.

 

He's gonna need to go nuts for that to happen. Wells, Sizemore, GMJ, Granderson, and Damon are all in front of him, production wise.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I'd like to see him selected to the All-Star game for the Orioles.

 

He's gonna need to go nuts for that to happen. Wells, Sizemore, GMJ, Granderson, and Damon are all in front of him, production wise.

 

Oh man. Imagine GMJ and Corey making the all-star team.

[TruffleShuffle]

What is really surprising is how C-Pat is leading the majors in SBs. We never fully exploited that talent on the Cubs. The last two years, I thought it was strange how his SBs would come in bunches for the Cubs. It was like Dusty would forget to give him the steal sign for a few weeks and then he'd have 4-5 steals over a few game stretch. Another example of the fine mis-management of Cubs players.

 

It's hard to steal many bases when you don't get on base. Which, I'm coming to realize now, is much less a function of Corey's complete lack of an eye at the plate, and more related to how the Cubs' coaches tried to turn him into something he wasn't.

 

Maybe if the Cubs keep dropping young players and have them blossom elsewhere, someone in the organization might figure out that it's not just bad luck. Of course, the person to figure it out will be the traveling secretary or the locker room janitor, not Hendry or MacPhail.

[anemic offense]

What is really surprising is how C-Pat is leading the majors in SBs. We never fully exploited that talent on the Cubs. The last two years, I thought it was strange how his SBs would come in bunches for the Cubs. It was like Dusty would forget to give him the steal sign for a few weeks and then he'd have 4-5 steals over a few game stretch. Another example of the fine mis-management of Cubs players.

 

Me too. We're talking about one of the worst base runners I had ever seen. Speed aside, Corey generally was too aprehensive to take off, was routinely picked off, and never seemed to get a good read on the pitchers. The fact that he has 25 SBs is only mildly surprising considering his success rate is over 95% (the last time I checked)! His succcess is making me sick.

 

As if we didn't know it already, this just further cements the fact we have the worst coaching staff in baseball. Outisde of the adjustment made to DLee's approach, this staff has hindered more than they have helped. Then add to that we have the worst manager in baseball, and the groundwork for an underwhelming baseball team is firmly in place.

[Andy]

I'd like to see him selected to the All-Star game for the Orioles.

 

He's gonna need to go nuts for that to happen. Wells, Sizemore, GMJ, Granderson, and Damon are all in front of him, production wise.

 

Oh man. Imagine GMJ and Corey making the all-star team.

Combine that with Pierre being much worse than 05 Neifi and you'd have the perfect storm of CF disaster.

[Mark Priors Calves]

I'd like to see him selected to the All-Star game for the Orioles.

 

He's gonna need to go nuts for that to happen. Wells, Sizemore, GMJ, Granderson, and Damon are all in front of him, production wise.

I was thinking of him being the O's token representative but then I forgot who plays shortstop for them.

[Warpticon]

I'd like to see him selected to the All-Star game for the Orioles.

 

He's gonna need to go nuts for that to happen. Wells, Sizemore, GMJ, Granderson, and Damon are all in front of him, production wise.

 

I think you may be underestimating the public/manager's outlook on stolen bases, seeing as he currently leads the league. He's pretty much being Carl Crawford with more, well, everything. And OF isn't voted on by specific position.

[Guest]

I'd like to see him selected to the All-Star game for the Orioles.

 

He's gonna need to go nuts for that to happen. Wells, Sizemore, GMJ, Granderson, and Damon are all in front of him, production wise.

 

I think you may be underestimating the public/manager's outlook on stolen bases, seeing as he currently leads the league. He's pretty much being Carl Crawford with more, well, everything. And OF isn't voted on by specific position.

Figure Vlad, Manny and Ichiro are auto-picks by the fans. I can't see Corey beating out the rest of the AL OF's this year. If he goes on to steal 60+ bases this season, he'll have the name recognition going next year and might be able to make it.

[rawaction]

I'd like to see him selected to the All-Star game for the Orioles.

 

He's gonna need to go nuts for that to happen. Wells, Sizemore, GMJ, Granderson, and Damon are all in front of him, production wise.

 

I think you may be underestimating the public/manager's outlook on stolen bases, seeing as he currently leads the league. He's pretty much being Carl Crawford with more, well, everything. And OF isn't voted on by specific position.

Figure Vlad, Manny and Ichiro are auto-picks by the fans. I can't see Corey beating out the rest of the AL OF's this year. If he goes on to steal 60+ bases this season, he'll have the name recognition going next year and might be able to make it.

 

Being another year away from knee surgery is probably huge for Corey right now. Everyone knows he's running....they just can't do anything about it. Of course, we're talking about Jorge Posada he was running against.

 

I fully expect him to put up a .270-.285/.325-.340/.480-.500 type season with close to 30 HRs, and there's no reason he shouldn't get 60 steals.

[imb]

back at it, 1-3 with a walk and another sb (26)

[Geech]

Baltimore's Corey Patterson scored two runs and extended his streak of games with a stolen base to nine, the longest run in the majors since Rickey Henderson had an identical stretch in 1986. Patterson, who leads the big leagues with 26 steals, has been caught only once.

 

He probably would have sucked with the Cobs, though. I doubt their staff could actually help a player improve.

[Brian]

back at it, 1-3 with a walk and another sb (26)

 

plus he has a SB in 9 straight games which ties a Ricky Henderson record from '86.