The Corey Patterson Thread

[Andy]

back at it, 1-3 with a walk and another sb (26)

 

plus he has a SB in 9 straight games which ties a Ricky Henderson record from '86.

Who didn't see this coming

[UMFan83]

back at it, 1-3 with a walk and another sb (26)

 

plus he has a SB in 9 straight games which ties a Ricky Henderson record from '86.

Who didn't see this coming

 

The Cubs coaches that screwed Corey up

[Warpticon]

It's even funnier when you consider how relatively little the Cubs went to steal with Patterson even as they were trying to make him a leadoff hitter because he's fast.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'd like to see him selected to the All-Star game for the Orioles.

 

He's gonna need to go nuts for that to happen. Wells, Sizemore, GMJ, Granderson, and Damon are all in front of him, production wise.

I was thinking of him being the O's token representative but then I forgot who plays shortstop for them.

 

Ramon Hernandez is a lock unless he starts to slump. The guy who drafted for me in our fantasy draft (who did a really crappy job) forgot to pick a catcher on my team and realized it before the last round. So, he picked Hernandez, and he's the top ranked catcher more than a third of the way through the season.

 

But back on topic, I hope Corey keeps playing great and throws even more egg on the collective faces of the Cubs' coaches and management.

[sweetpeteman]

My theory is that the Cubs tried to hold Corey's hand in stealing and tell him when to steal, and were too cautious with him and wouldn't let him decide, and when they wanted to steal with Corey, he wasn't ready and didn't have experience. With the O's, Corey has been given the green light, and allowed to steal when he wants. Yestaurday, with the O's up 11-4 in the 7th, he stole second and third. Perlazzo wasn't happy with this, but it shows that Corey has been allowed to decided when to run, and has been successful.

[anemic offense]

It's even funnier when you consider how relatively little the Cubs went to steal with Patterson even as they were trying to make him a leadoff hitter because he's fast.

 

What' even funnier than that is how Corey consistently showed he had no concept of stealing bases. There was many a time where Corey would reach 1st with no outs, only to stand around as if he didn't know how to steal. Even if someone FINALLY got inside of his head, it shouldn't have taken a coach to have him figure it out.

 

It is absolutely unreal how our coaching staff can made to be look as such fools by Corey Patterson. That's like Mike Tyson out maneuvoring you in a chess match.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It's even funnier when you consider how relatively little the Cubs went to steal with Patterson even as they were trying to make him a leadoff hitter because he's fast.

 

What' even funnier than that is how Corey consistently showed he had no concept of stealing bases. There was many a time where Corey would reach 1st with no outs, only to stand around as if he didn't know how to steal. Even if someone FINALLY got inside of his head, it shouldn't have taken a coach to have him figure it out.

 

It is absolutely unreal how our coaching staff can made to be look as such fools by Corey Patterson. That's like Mike Tyson out maneuvoring you in a chess match.

 

What are you talking about? Patterson has always been a good basestealer. "Stand around as if he didn't know how to steal"? What does that even mean?

[anemic offense]

My theory is that the Cubs tried to hold Corey's hand in stealing and tell him when to steal, and were too cautious with him and wouldn't let him decide, and when they wanted to steal with Corey, he wasn't ready and didn't have experience. With the O's, Corey has been given the green light, and allowed to steal when he wants. Yestaurday, with the O's up 11-4 in the 7th, he stole second and third. Perlazzo wasn't happy with this, but it shows that Corey has been allowed to decided when to run, and has been successful.

 

I don't think so, though they may have inhibited him somewhat. Bottom line is if Corey thought he could steal and knew he could steal, he should have been able to (with his speed). It would have taken 1 week max to get Crusty and his moronic clowns to be BEGGING Corey to steal. That still doesn't account for the numerous times Corey was picked off base. Does one really need to be told not to wander from the base after the first 100 times of being picked off? I'd hope not, but Corey obviously never got the clue. Corey's failure's are just as much a product of his own ineptitude as it was the Cubs.

 

Why he's figuring things out at the age of 27 is completely beyond me. A capable coaching staff definately can't be hurting matters.

[Geech]

What are you talking about? Patterson has always been a good basestealer. "Stand around as if he didn't know how to steal"? What does that even mean?

 

Some people just don't like Corey for some reason. I don't recall Anemic's stance on Corey in the past, but it certainly read like the sort of backhanded compliment I would expect from one of Corey's anti-fans.

[anemic offense]

It's even funnier when you consider how relatively little the Cubs went to steal with Patterson even as they were trying to make him a leadoff hitter because he's fast.

 

What' even funnier than that is how Corey consistently showed he had no concept of stealing bases. There was many a time where Corey would reach 1st with no outs, only to stand around as if he didn't know how to steal. Even if someone FINALLY got inside of his head, it shouldn't have taken a coach to have him figure it out.

 

It is absolutely unreal how our coaching staff can made to be look as such fools by Corey Patterson. That's like Mike Tyson out maneuvoring you in a chess match.

 

What are you talking about? Patterson has always been a good basestealer. "Stand around as if he didn't know how to steal"? What does that even mean?

 

No he hasn't. Just because he's fast doesn't mean he was a great basestealer. Great baserunners know when to steal a base, don't get picked off, and dont' have a plethora of other idiotic baserunning errors as Patterson did. Granted, he's always had a pretty good steal percentage, but who wouldn't with his speed? Corey's success had always been predicated on his god given talent because he simply hadn't learned or wanted to incorporate the fundamentals to take him to the next level. Much to my chagrin, he obviously doing something different.

[Geech]

No he hasn't. Just because he's fast doesn't mean he was a great basestealer. Great baserunners know when to steal a base, don't get picked off, and dont' have a plethora of other idiotic baserunning errors as Patterson did. Granted, he's always had a pretty good steal percentage, but who wouldn't with his speed? Corey's success had always been predicated on his god given talent because he simply hadn't learned or wanted to incorporate the fundamentals to take him to the next level. Much to my chagrin, he obviously doing something different.

 

That's a load of crap. Lots of fast players never have Corey's success at basestealing.

[anemic offense]

No he hasn't. Just because he's fast doesn't mean he was a great basestealer. Great baserunners know when to steal a base, don't get picked off, and dont' have a plethora of other idiotic baserunning errors as Patterson did. Granted, he's always had a pretty good steal percentage, but who wouldn't with his speed? Corey's success had always been predicated on his god given talent because he simply hadn't learned or wanted to incorporate the fundamentals to take him to the next level. Much to my chagrin, he obviously doing something different.

 

That's a load of crap. Lots of fast players never have Corey's success at basestealing.

 

That's fine. We can agree to disagree. I'm kinda surprised nobody's trotted out the stats yet. That's usually the first tactic of a rebuttal.

[Geech]

Somehow I doubt that stats would affect your opinion of Corey.

[anemic offense]

Somehow I doubt that stats would affect your opinion of Corey.

 

Nope. I saw enough of him getting picked off and whatnot to know he was a pretty poor fundamental baserunner. Derrek was so much better than him in that regard (aside from speed) it wasn't even funny.

[srbin84]

Somehow I doubt that stats would affect your opinion of Corey.

 

Nope. I saw enough of him getting picked off and whatnot to know he was a pretty poor fundamental baserunner. Derrek was so much better than him in that regard (aside from speed) it wasn't even funny.

 

I agree. I don't care how well he is doing now or what he does in the future. His career numbers with the Cubs were horrible and there was no reason to think that was going to drastically change this year, at least with us, so I was glad he was traded and still am. Good luck to him, but his time was up with the Cubs and most people could see that.

[UMFan83]

If what anemic said wasn't true, then why did he have less than 20 SB last year?

[cubfan1955]

If what anemic said wasn't true, then why did he have less than 20 SB last year?

They don't let you steal first base.

[Tracer Bullet]

If what anemic said wasn't true, then why did he have less than 20 SB last year?

They don't let you steal first base.

 

Exactly - 480 PA and only on base 25% of the time. Not a whole lot of chances to steal.

 

On the other hand, in '04 he has 32 SBs and a 78% success rate. Not that stats mean anything...

[Jon]

And you can't steal when you're batting in front of Neifi.

 

Corey's lifetime SB% is up to a very nice 82.3% (before this year, it was at 78.9%). That's better than Pierre's 74.1% or Podsednik's 78.5%.

[anemic offense]

And you can't steal when you're batting in front of Neifi.

 

Corey's lifetime SB% is up to a very nice 82.3% (before this year, it was at 78.9%). That's better than Pierre's 74.1% or Podsednik's 78.5%.

 

LMFAO!! That's a great argument for last year. It is kinda hard to run on only one pitch (and one that's put into play no less) :lol:

[muntjack]

Good god he has 26 stolen bases and an OPS over .800.

 

Why, god, why?!?!?

 

Okay here's my theory....

 

Dusty Baker is not very bright.

 

Dusty Baker doesn't want to surround himself with intelligent coaches who will undermine him.

 

Dusty Baker hires old school coaches who will defer to him.

 

Young players are screwed.

 

 

 

In '04 we heard how the responsibility ulimately lay with the players.

 

We heard that again in '05.

 

We're hearing it again this year.

 

Funny how there has been a huge turnover in players since '04, and the offense is always underperforming. There is only one constant, and it is MANGEMENT.

 

I sure hope Bruce or someone brings Corey's performance to their attention.

[Wheelimus]

It was always mentally [expletive] to trade Patterson. It wasn't like we were in a budget crunch or had a better place to spend the money even if we were. We weren't going to get less for him, or even if we did it's not like it would have mattered. We should have hung onto him as the 4th outfielder. Had we done that, he'd be starting with slappy on the bench now...

[BigbadB]

It was always mentally [expletive] to trade Patterson. It wasn't like we were in a budget crunch or had a better place to spend the money even if we were. We weren't going to get less for him, or even if we did it's not like it would have mattered. We should have hung onto him as the 4th outfielder. Had we done that, he'd be starting with slappy on the bench now...

 

I could only agree that Patterson would be starting ahead of slappy if there was a different coaching staff. With the same coaching staff, I'm not sure Patterson would be doing what he's doing now in Baltimore.

 

Think of all the other teams that wanted nothing to do with Patterson this past offseason. Bet some of them are kicking themselves now.

 

However, I do agree that it's an absolute waste to trade a guy like Patterson when his net worth isn't anything more than a couple of never will be's.

[RegulusBlue]

The PR machine told the Cubs brass that they had to cut ties with the hateable KP, and so they did the corporate dance and disposed of him the same as Sammy.

 

We're the New Red Sox.

[cubfan1955]

As usual, the Cubs got rid of the wrong person during the off season.