ESPN1K says Cubs trying to finish a deal for Pierre

[CubinNY]

If this trade is for spare parts (i.e., Ru, Soto, Greenburg, Patterson) OK, but if it is for others not ok.

 

What does this say about Pie? Pierre is young enough to block Pie for a couple of years.

 

I really don't understand Hendry's organizational philosophy at all.

Edited November 14, 2005 by CubinNY

[TrueBlueCubFan]

minor leaguers or players who should be in the minors?

 

maybe we'll get lucky and trade Neifi and Patterson for Pierre. :lol:

 

Neifi cannot be traded until June 1st

[Mark Priors Calves]

I'm guessing Nolasco and Mitre.

[hawkeyecub]

This is very disappointing.

 

Very disappointing? That seems a little harsh.

 

I'm not a huge Pierre fan either and have my doubts if it would be the right move. But depending upon the players we would have to give up, it could be a good move. If nothing else it would stop the organization from rushing Pie too fast, and if Pie is successful we would probably have plenty of takers for a so-called "true leadoff man" in Pierre.

 

Goony summed up the way I would feel about it. I have my doubts but if he produces the way he did in '03 (.361 OBP 65 SB) or '04 (.374 OBP/.407 SLG) it would be a big boost. If he produces the way he did last year, it doesn't help so much.

 

With the options on the CF market this year, I think Pierre is a good choice if we aren't giving up too much. We wouldn't have to be stuck with him long-term, but he could be a great stop-gap.

Edited November 14, 2005 by hawkeyecub

[TrueBlueCubFan]

If this trade is for spare parts (i.e., Ru, Soto, Greenburg, Patterson) OK, but if it is for others not ok.

 

What does this say about Pie? Pierre is young enough to block Pie for a couple of years.

 

I really don't understand Hendry's organizational philosophy at all.

 

Pierre's a FA after the 06' season

[BigbadB]

minor leaguers or players who should be in the minors?

 

maybe we'll get lucky and trade Neifi and Patterson for Pierre. :lol:

 

Neifi cannot be traded until June 1st

 

Without his approval. :wink:

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If this trade is for spare parts (i.e., Ru, Soto, Greenburg, Patterson) OK, but if it is for others not ok.

 

What does this say about Pie? Pierre is young enough to block Pie for a couple of years.

 

I really don't understand Hendry's organizational philosophy at all.

 

Pierre is a free agent after the season.

[Sarcastic]

If this trade is for spare parts (i.e., Ru, Soto, Greenburg, Patterson) OK, but if it is for others not ok.

 

What does this say about Pie? Pierre is young enough to block Pie for a couple of years.

 

I really don't understand Hendry's organizational philosophy at all.

 

Pierre is a FA after this year. If Hendry wants Pie to play in 2007 he can just let Pierre leave.

 

Beaten by less than a minute. :evil:

Edited November 14, 2005 by Sarcastic

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

minor leaguers or players who should be in the minors?

 

maybe we'll get lucky and trade Neifi and Patterson for Pierre. :lol:

 

Neifi cannot be traded until June 1st

 

i wasn't serious. :wink:

[Transmogrified Tiger]

This is very disappointing.

 

Very disappointing? That seems a little harsh.

 

I'm not a huge Pierre fan either and have my doubts if it would be the right move. But depending upon the players we would have to give up, it could be a good move. If nothing else it would stop the organization from rushing Pie too fast, and if Pie is successful we would probably have plenty of takers for a so-called "true leadoff man" in Pierre.

 

Goony summed up the way I would feel about it. I have my doubts but if he produces the way he did in '03 (.361 OBP) or '04 (.374 OBP/.407 SLG) it would be a big boost. If he produces the way he did last year, it doesn't help so much.

 

With the options on the CF market this year, I think Pierre is a good choice if we aren't giving up too much. We wouldn't have to be stuck with him long-term, but he could be a great stop-gap.

 

It's awful early to be settling for someone like Pierre when there are some other quality CF's possibly on the trade market(Bradley, Wilkerson, Michaels, etc.)

[CubinNY]

If this trade is for spare parts (i.e., Ru, Soto, Greenburg, Patterson) OK, but if it is for others not ok.

 

What does this say about Pie? Pierre is young enough to block Pie for a couple of years.

 

I really don't understand Hendry's organizational philosophy at all.

 

Pierre is a FA after this year. If Hendry wants Pie to play in 2007 he can just let Pierre leave.

 

Beaten by less than a minute. :evil:

 

you don't say?

 

Good. Now, if Hendry gave up something for a 1 year rental I will be real upset.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

If this trade is for spare parts (i.e., Ru, Soto, Greenburg, Patterson) OK, but if it is for others not ok.

 

What does this say about Pie? Pierre is young enough to block Pie for a couple of years.

 

I really don't understand Hendry's organizational philosophy at all.

 

Pierre is a FA after this year. If Hendry wants Pie to play in 2007 he can just let Pierre leave.

 

Beaten by less than a minute. :evil:

 

you don't say?

 

Good. Now, if Hendry gave up something for a 1 year rental I will be real upset.

 

Without even knowing what the result of Pierre in the Cubs line-up would be?

[jmajew]

If this trade is for spare parts (i.e., Ru, Soto, Greenburg, Patterson) OK, but if it is for others not ok.

 

What does this say about Pie? Pierre is young enough to block Pie for a couple of years.

 

I really don't understand Hendry's organizational philosophy at all.

 

Maybe Hendry is thinking that he will get a one year fix in Right and then 07 have a starting OF of Murton, Pierre, and Pie. That seems to be like something Hendry would consider.

[hawkeyecub]

This is very disappointing.

 

Very disappointing? That seems a little harsh.

 

I'm not a huge Pierre fan either and have my doubts if it would be the right move. But depending upon the players we would have to give up, it could be a good move. If nothing else it would stop the organization from rushing Pie too fast, and if Pie is successful we would probably have plenty of takers for a so-called "true leadoff man" in Pierre.

 

Goony summed up the way I would feel about it. I have my doubts but if he produces the way he did in '03 (.361 OBP) or '04 (.374 OBP/.407 SLG) it would be a big boost. If he produces the way he did last year, it doesn't help so much.

 

With the options on the CF market this year, I think Pierre is a good choice if we aren't giving up too much. We wouldn't have to be stuck with him long-term, but he could be a great stop-gap.

 

It's awful early to be settling for someone like Pierre when there are some other quality CF's possibly on the trade market(Bradley, Wilkerson, Michaels, etc.)

 

Rightly or wrongly I just don't see anything happening with Milton. He has too many character issues and I can't see them taking a chance with him.

 

We know that Hendry has at least reportedly inquired about Wilkerson. We have no idea how much they're asking for, but it could be much more than the Marlins want for Pierre.

Michaels I'm rather indifferent on. He's put up some real solid numbers but will be 30 next May and has never had 300 AB's.

 

This could also give us some extra leverage in the Furcal negotiations. If it's clear that we don't need a leadoff man and we have a couple options at SS, his price could really come down.

[YearofDaCubs]

If this trade is for spare parts (i.e., Ru, Soto, Greenburg, Patterson) OK but if it is for others not ok.

 

What does this say about Pie. Pierre is young enough to block Pie for a couple of years.

 

I really don't understand Hendry's organizational philosophy at all.

Isn't Pie 19 or 20? Besides I'm at a point that I don't care about the prospects anymore I just want to win a damn WS no matter what cost.

[cubs121]

If this trade is for spare parts (i.e., Ru, Soto, Greenburg, Patterson) OK but if it is for others not ok.

 

What does this say about Pie. Pierre is young enough to block Pie for a couple of years.

 

I really don't understand Hendry's organizational philosophy at all.

Isn't Pie 19 or 20? Besides I'm at a point that I don't care about the prospects anymore I just want to win a damn WS no matter what cost.

 

well it hurts to know the fact that hendry's up to something weird.

also i cant see this team winning a world series soon ( i hope they do but not with hendry and baker!) finally i would like to see the cubs trade for pierre than use the rest of the money to sign B.giles and also a good/ descent starter>>> MILLWOOD>> BURNETT>....................

but do you guys think that hendry will sign furcal even after the pierre deal?????????

[CubfaninCA]

Get Pierre for a few minor leaguers and Hendry has more trade options, as he'll still have Patterson and can deal off Pie for an impact hitter. Can Brad Wilkerson play rf?? Have heard Corey for Wilkerson a few times now.

[CUBZ99]

Good news if its true. Except for Pie it doesn't really matter who they trade from the minors.

[CubsWin]

do Murton and Cedeno qualify as "minor leaguers"?

 

well, at least we're coming up with a way around Furcal at leadoff.

 

I have a feeling one of either Murton or Cedeno will be moved in this trade. Beinfest is a very good GM. They will want someone who is ML ready. I will listen to updates on the local sports radio down here in S. FL. I'll let you know if I here anything different.

What did you have to eat today? 'Cause I'm thinking that gut feeling is probably gas.

 

There is no way Hendry is going to trade either Murton or Cedeno for Pierre. This is a salary dump for Florida. I will eat several plates of crow if Murton, Cedeno, Pie or Hill are involved in a trade for Juan Pierre.

[CubinNY]

If this trade is for spare parts (i.e., Ru, Soto, Greenburg, Patterson) OK but if it is for others not ok.

 

What does this say about Pie. Pierre is young enough to block Pie for a couple of years.

 

I really don't understand Hendry's organizational philosophy at all.

Isn't Pie 19 or 20? Besides I'm at a point that I don't care about the prospects anymore I just want to win a damn WS no matter what cost.

 

Couple of things

 

Pierre will not "put the Cubs over the top", he is not that kind of a player

 

It is ridiculus to give up a "keeper" if you think Pierre does not fit into your longterm plans.

 

If you get Slappy for CF you damn well better get a bopper for RF.

 

If the Cubs get him, I hope somone shows him how to wear a hat.

[UK1679666180]

It's a lose/lose as far as entering Pie into the equation and Pierre's FA.

 

How will the Cubs accurately judge if Pie is ready to become a ML CF'er next year? He's going to spend the bulk of his year at AAA and if he's a Sept. callup, he wouldn't play over Pierre and his best shot would be a corner spot, depending on who they get for RF.

 

You can't pencil him in for '07 with that little sample size, it's similar to Cedeno, I'd want someone more proven in '06, but if the only other option is Perez, I'd roll the dice with Cedeno.

 

The Cubs would be better off getting someone cheaper and with more than one year left before he hits FA.

 

Let's say Pierre does well next year are the Cubs going to say "Pie is almost ready to become an everyday CF'er, so we can only offer you a 1-2 yr deal"?

 

Pierre improves CF and the leadoff spot, not as much of an improvement as I'd hope from the CF position, but an improvement nonetheless.

[Neuby]

here's to hoping this means we keep Nomar at short and go after a big bat in right field and go grab AJ Burnett and Bob Howry if the rumored Todd Walker for Mcdougal is true get some bench help and call it an offseason.

[CubsWin]

If this trade is for spare parts (i.e., Ru, Soto, Greenburg, Patterson) OK but if it is for others not ok.

 

What does this say about Pie. Pierre is young enough to block Pie for a couple of years.

 

I really don't understand Hendry's organizational philosophy at all.

Isn't Pie 19 or 20? Besides I'm at a point that I don't care about the prospects anymore I just want to win a damn WS no matter what cost.

 

well it hurts to know the fact that hendry's up to something weird.

also i cant see this team winning a world series soon ( i hope they do but not with hendry and baker!) finally i would like to see the cubs trade for pierre than use the rest of the money to sign B.giles and also a good/ descent starter>>> MILLWOOD>> BURNETT>....................

but do you guys think that hendry will sign furcal even after the pierre deal?????????

Nothing weird going on here, folks. And Pierre will not block Pie as he will be a free agent after '06, if I'm not mistaken.

 

This is a one year rental to provide the Cubs with a bona fide lead-off hitter and solid defensive CF albeit with a questionable arm. If the Cubs had a guy with a .350 career OBP and legit base stealing abilities leading off last season, Lee would have had over 120 RBI.

 

Because it is a combination of a salary dump for the Marlins and a one year rental for the Cubs, the minor leaguers involved should not include anyone the Cubs will miss (Murton, Cedeno, Pie, Hill, Harvey, Pawelek, etc.).

[CUBZ99]

It's a lose/lose as far as entering Pie into the equation and Pierre's FA.

 

How will the Cubs accurately judge if Pie is ready to become a ML CF'er next year? He's going to spend the bulk of his year at AAA and if he's a Sept. callup, he wouldn't play over Pierre and his best shot would be a corner spot, depending on who they get for RF.

 

You can't pencil him in for '07 with that little sample size, it's similar to Cedeno, I'd want someone more proven in '06, but if the only other option is Perez, I'd roll the dice with Cedeno.

 

The Cubs would be better off getting someone cheaper and with more than one year left before he hits FA.

 

Let's say Pierre does well next year are the Cubs going to say "Pie is almost ready to become an everyday CF'er, so we can only offer you a 1-2 yr deal"?

 

Pierre improves CF and the leadoff spot, not as much of an improvement as I'd hope from the CF position, but an improvement nonetheless.

 

Couple things

 

1) Most agree that Pie is not ready for the Majors yet.

2) your argument assumes the Cubs are making call ups in Sept to evalute young talent which is ridiculous. (Yes, it is possible they could make the playoffs).

 

Should the Cubs hold off on trying to win just to accomodate players in the minor leagues? Seems like you may be getting a little too carried away with what might happen to young players and not concerned enough about winning now.

 

If Pierre comes to the Cubs he can block Pie for 3 years if he's putting up a .370 OBP and the Cubs win the World Series. Who cares if Pie's development is stunted in that situation?

[craig]

I predict two out of the pool of Mitre, Wellemeyer, Nolasco, Pinto, Marshall, Ryu, and Marmol, if the rumor proves true.

 

I wouldn't assume that Pie and Pierre are one or the other, or that having Pierre would block Pie.

 

As was mentioned, if Pierre were to perform very well for the Cubs, Hendry might be intereted in resigning him and bringing Pie in as a corner outfielder, to give the outfield incredible speed/defense. (If the infield had Furcal, Cedeno, and Lee, the infield could have incredible defense too...).

 

I know we all want a big producer in RF, but it doesn't appear that Hendry is on the same page with that.

 

The notion of getting Pierre, than letting him go and replacing him with Pie is quite possible. Especially if Pierre doesn't play very well! But given Pie's low walk/high K rate, I'm not sure he really profiles well at leadoff, especially as a rookie.

 

If Hendry were to acquire both Pierre and Furcal, then even if Pie replaced Pierre in 07 he wouldn't have to bat leadoff, and might be quite nice hitting 2nd or 7th. (By 07, perhaps either Cedeno or Murton or even Barrett could be well qualified to hit 2nd.)

 

I get the impression that Hendry is way to infatuated with Pierre to necessarily envision him only as a roster-fill rental till Pie.

 

I also really believe he's not committed to pie in center. There was considerable talk this summer about going after Mark Kotsay for CF. Given the expected cost, that would not likely have been for a short rental.

 

So I think Hendry thinks Pie has enough pop to profile as a corner. Whether that happens, or whether that's a waste, I don't know.