ESPN1K says Cubs trying to finish a deal for Pierre

[Transmogrified Tiger]

My goal for Pie is for him to have a productive '06 at AAA, platoon for '07, and become the everyday CF'er in '08.

 

Why waste a year stunting his development in a platoon?

 

Beat me to it.

 

He'll only be 22 for all of 2007, easing him into his role like that is the way I would do it, as long as the platoon partner is competent. Remember as a lefty he'll get the majority of the AB's in a platoon.

 

Like Choi?

 

That's a whole different argument, you know that.

[CubinNY]

My goal for Pie is for him to have a productive '06 at AAA, platoon for '07, and become the everyday CF'er in '08.

 

Why waste a year stunting his development in a platoon?

 

Beat me to it.

 

He'll only be 22 for all of 2007, easing him into his role like that is the way I would do it, as long as the platoon partner is competent. Remember as a lefty he'll get the majority of the AB's in a platoon.

 

Like Choi?

 

Doh! Dusty will have to go.

[stitchface]

So what if he is 22? The best way for him to get better is to get out there and play every day. Having some competent coaches would help too. Frankly, I don't think he'll show he's ready next year but if he tears up AAA and improves his plate discipline, I would turn him loose.

[UK1679666180]

If you're getting a stop-gap, do it with someone that can ease Pie into a starting Cf'er rather than having him go straight from AAA to the majors w/out any other decent options.

 

Why? If Pie earns a promotion with performance at AAA, why waste money on a platoon partner that Dusty will overuse (if he is still here). Its not like the Cubs are one player from the world series so why not let Pie go at it if he earned his spot? I can't agree with you at all on this one. A caddy for Pie is worthless if he proves he can play at AAA (in which case he should get a shot late next year anyway). I guess I don't see your point at all except that you like Michaels better than Pierre.

 

I'd like to see Pie prove himself in the majors for a larger sample than rotting on Dusty's bench next Sept. than give him the starting role right away and hope he makes the transition in '07.

 

Pie has a good '06 at Iowa and does become the starting CF'er in '07, if he struggles, the Cubs are screwed offensively with someone likely expected to hit 1-2 in the order, putting him in a platoon situation protects the Cubs until he has proven himself either way. Michaels in a similar fashion as Philly used him and Lofton is the ideal way break Pie into the majors in '07. He'd get enough ABs to judge if he's ready to become the starting CF'er for '08 and they'd have a more than adequate option if Pie struggles his 1st trip thru the majors.

[UMFan83]

Do they still have the same GM that they had in 2003 for the Lee trade? How about 2002 for the Clement/Willis trade?

[stitchface]

My goal for Pie is for him to have a productive '06 at AAA, platoon for '07, and become the everyday CF'er in '08.

 

Why waste a year stunting his development in a platoon?

 

Beat me to it.

 

He'll only be 22 for all of 2007, easing him into his role like that is the way I would do it, as long as the platoon partner is competent. Remember as a lefty he'll get the majority of the AB's in a platoon.

 

Like Choi?

 

That's a whole different argument, you know that.

 

How is it a different argument? You have to put things in context. If Baker is still here, you have to remove his options or he won't let the young player play. I only see the platoon as a viable option if Baker is gone and the Cubs are close to winning the world series. Otherwise, I don't see the point (and yes this whole discussion is based on a very solid 2006 at AAA). I wouldn't mind seeing the platoon late 2006.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Do they still have the same GM that they had in 2003 for the Lee trade? How about 2002 for the Clement/Willis trade?

Yes, Larry Beinfest

[CubsWin]

Hendry was quoted by Gammons and others as saying Pie would be called up last year if he hadn't gotten hurt. So, what up Jim? That is not to say I think Pie is ready for I do not. But appearently someone in the Cubs organization does. Or is it did?.

I think it is important to look at the context in which the decision to bring up Pie was made. The Cubs were desperate for offense from LF and CF. RF was producing only moderately well, but it wasn't nearly as desperate of a situation as CF and LF.

 

Murton proved to be ready without any AAA experience but he already had the plate discipline. Pie probably wouldn't have performed very well once pitchers found his weaknesses, but he could have provided a spark for the rest of the team. Who knows?

 

We also don't know that just because Hendry was thinking of bringing him up in July with Murton that he intended him to remain with the Cubs for the rest of the season no matter what. It could have just as easily been a "lets give him a look and see how he does" situation. So assuming that Hendry thinks Pie is fully ready for the bigs and is going to bringing him too soon simply because he was going to bring him up last July is unwarranted.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

My goal for Pie is for him to have a productive '06 at AAA, platoon for '07, and become the everyday CF'er in '08.

 

Why waste a year stunting his development in a platoon?

 

Beat me to it.

 

He'll only be 22 for all of 2007, easing him into his role like that is the way I would do it, as long as the platoon partner is competent. Remember as a lefty he'll get the majority of the AB's in a platoon.

 

Like Choi?

 

That's a whole different argument, you know that.

 

How is it a different argument? You have to put things in context. If Baker is still here, you have to remove his options or he won't let the young player play. I only see the platoon as a viable option if Baker is gone and the Cubs are close to winning the world series. Otherwise, I don't see the point (and yes this whole discussion is based on a very solid 2006 at AAA). I wouldn't mind seeing the platoon late 2006.

 

If Baker's tendencies are keeping you from appropriately developing a player, then you get rid of him, that's the separate argument.

[UK1679666180]

My goal for Pie is for him to have a productive '06 at AAA, platoon for '07, and become the everyday CF'er in '08.

 

Why waste a year stunting his development in a platoon?

 

How is a LH'er in a R/L platoon stunting his development? It's just protecting their ass if he struggles by giving the Cubs an additional option.

 

It's not an all or nothing as far as throwing him out there for 160 games or stunting his development in '07.

[stitchface]

Hendry was quoted by Gammons and others as saying Pie would be called up last year if he hadn't gotten hurt. So, what up Jim? That is not to say I think Pie is ready for I do not. But appearently someone in the Cubs organization does. Or is it did?.

I think it is important to look at the context in which the decision to bring up Pie was made. The Cubs were desperate for offense from LF and CF. RF was producing only moderately well, but it wasn't nearly as desperate of a situation as CF and LF.

 

Murton proved to be ready without any AAA experience but he already had the plate discipline. Pie probably wouldn't have performed very well once pitchers found his weaknesses, but he could have provided a spark for the rest of the team. Who knows?

 

We also don't know that just because Hendry was thinking of bringing him up in July with Murton that he intended him to remain with the Cubs for the rest of the season no matter what. It could have just as easily been a "lets give him a look and see how he does" situation. So assuming that Hendry thinks Pie is fully ready for the bigs and is going to bringing him too soon simply because he was going to bring him up last July is unwarranted.

 

This is the problem with Hendry - he would have burned an option year on a 21 year old if he sent him back down (is that how that works?). No way should Pie be up as a starter this year.

[stitchface]

My goal for Pie is for him to have a productive '06 at AAA, platoon for '07, and become the everyday CF'er in '08.

 

Why waste a year stunting his development in a platoon?

 

How is a LH'er in a R/L platoon stunting his development? It's just protecting their ass if he struggles by giving the Cubs an additional option.

 

It's not an all or nothing as far as throwing him out there for 160 games or stunting his development in '07.

 

A platoon is different than having a backup option. In any case, if the cubs aren't WS bound, who cares if he struggles? In a platoon, he doesn't face lefties, this will slow his development. the best way to learn to hit lefties, is to face them.

 

CP20 - Dusty needs to go. I think we all agree this would be best for the future of the Cubs in a large number of ways.

[UK1679666180]

Hendry was quoted by Gammons and others as saying Pie would be called up last year if he hadn't gotten hurt. So, what up Jim? That is not to say I think Pie is ready for I do not. But appearently someone in the Cubs organization does. Or is it did?.

I think it is important to look at the context in which the decision to bring up Pie was made. The Cubs were desperate for offense from LF and CF. RF was producing only moderately well, but it wasn't nearly as desperate of a situation as CF and LF.

 

Murton proved to be ready without any AAA experience but he already had the plate discipline. Pie probably wouldn't have performed very well once pitchers found his weaknesses, but he could have provided a spark for the rest of the team. Who knows?

 

We also don't know that just because Hendry was thinking of bringing him up in July with Murton that he intended him to remain with the Cubs for the rest of the season no matter what. It could have just as easily been a "lets give him a look and see how he does" situation. So assuming that Hendry thinks Pie is fully ready for the bigs and is going to bringing him too soon simply because he was going to bring him up last July is unwarranted.

 

This is the problem with Hendry - he would have burned an option year on a 21 year old if he sent him back down (is that how that works?). No way should Pie be up as a starter this year.

 

If a player is on the 40 man roster and he starts the season off the 25 man roster, he already used the option for that year, regardless if he gets call up and sent back down.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Thanks for the reply but you may want to put some time into your reply so that you may actually make a point or better yet make some sense.

 

i didn't find it difficult to comprehend

 

Good for you and thanks for making another post about nothing. You get one gold star. :D

 

PMSing?

[stitchface]

let it go vance, you know better.

 

 

In any case, this will all have to be evaluated next year. I don't see the big impact on the pierre decision though. was pie on the 40 man last year? burning an option would have been silly given he was just beginning to put it all together. I have no confidence in this organization. They seem to have learned nothing from Corey.

[TXCubsFan]

Let's make our predictions:

 

Sergio Mitre and Ricky Nolasco.

 

I could live with that trade.

[TXCubsFan]

do Murton and Cedeno qualify as "minor leaguers"?

 

well, at least we're coming up with a way around Furcal at leadoff.

 

I have a feeling one of either Murton or Cedeno will be moved in this trade. Beinfest is a very good GM. They will want someone who is ML ready. I will listen to updates on the local sports radio down here in S. FL. I'll let you know if I here anything different.

 

Nolasco will be ML ready by midseason 2006.

[UK1679666180]

My goal for Pie is for him to have a productive '06 at AAA, platoon for '07, and become the everyday CF'er in '08.

 

Why waste a year stunting his development in a platoon?

 

How is a LH'er in a R/L platoon stunting his development? It's just protecting their ass if he struggles by giving the Cubs an additional option.

 

It's not an all or nothing as far as throwing him out there for 160 games or stunting his development in '07.

 

A platoon is different than having a backup option. In any case, if the cubs aren't WS bound, who cares if he struggles? In a platoon, he doesn't face lefties, this will slow his development. the best way to learn to hit lefties, is to face them.

 

CP20 - Dusty needs to go. I think we all agree this would be best for the future of the Cubs in a large number of ways.

 

I'd like to think the Cubs would be a contender for the WS in '07. Of course, Hendry would have to improve his ability to acquire players, Baker would have to go or improve as well.

 

You're not going to get a quality CF'er and not platoon him w/Pie if they did follow my scenario.

 

My ideal scenario would still be... Whatever is being offered to get Pierre, use it to get Michaels, Michaels is the starting CF'er and hitting leadoff in '06. Pie does well in '06 at Iowa and gets ready for '07 in the majors. The Cubs platoon Michaels and Pie with Michaels getting scattered ABs in LF/RF and vs. various RH'ers. Pie would get the majority of the RH ABs and scattered ABs vs. Lh'ers. Ideally, Pie would get around 350 ABs and Michaels around 300.

[USSoccer]

I'll reserve judgement on the wiseness of this move until I see if it happens, and who it is we give up.

 

If it's Nolasco and Soto, or something like that, great. If it's a combo of Hill Pinto or Marshall I'll retch.

[CUBZ99]

Thanks for the reply but you may want to put some time into your reply so that you may actually make a point or better yet make some sense.

 

i didn't find it difficult to comprehend

 

Good for you and thanks for making another post about nothing. You get one gold star. :D

 

PMSing?

 

That was original.

 

Seriously, why do you keep wasting posts with nothing to say?

[Outshined_One]

The fact that Sean Marshall is involved in trade talks is making me leery.

 

Marshall is one of those high ceiling lefties who has performed admirably in the minors. He's had a history of success along with a few minor injuries derailing his numbers and playing time. He's a sinkerballer who can dial it up to the mid-90s. He has good secondary pitches. As far as I can tell, his injuries are unrelated and are not the lingering type. His ceiling is pretty good, to boot.

 

Trading him to the Marlins in a deal for Juan Pierre might not be the best of ideas, imo.

[CUBZ99]

I'll reserve judgement on the wiseness of this move until I see if it happens, and who it is we give up.

 

If it's Nolasco and Soto, or something like that, great. If it's a combo of Hill Pinto or Marshall I'll retch.

 

If Hendry wouldn't trade Hill for Dunn, why would he trade him and another player for Pierre?

 

And knowing Hendry's history of trades, doesn't it seem highly unlikely he would trade 2 of his top LH pitching prospects?

[CardsFanInChiTown]

My goal for Pie is for him to have a productive '06 at AAA, platoon for '07, and become the everyday CF'er in '08.

 

Why waste a year stunting his development in a platoon?

 

How is a LH'er in a R/L platoon stunting his development? It's just protecting their ass if he struggles by giving the Cubs an additional option.

 

It's not an all or nothing as far as throwing him out there for 160 games or stunting his development in '07.

 

A platoon is different than having a backup option. In any case, if the cubs aren't WS bound, who cares if he struggles? In a platoon, he doesn't face lefties, this will slow his development. the best way to learn to hit lefties, is to face them.

 

CP20 - Dusty needs to go. I think we all agree this would be best for the future of the Cubs in a large number of ways.

 

I'd like to think the Cubs would be a contender for the WS in '07. Of course, Hendry would have to improve his ability to acquire players, Baker would have to go or improve as well.

 

You're not going to get a quality CF'er and not platoon him w/Pie if they did follow my scenario.

 

My ideal scenario would still be... Whatever is being offered to get Pierre, use it to get Michaels, Michaels is the starting CF'er and hitting leadoff in '06. Pie does well in '06 at Iowa and gets ready for '07 in the majors. The Cubs platoon Michaels and Pie with Michaels getting scattered ABs in LF/RF and vs. various RH'ers. Pie would get the majority of the RH ABs and scattered ABs vs. Lh'ers. Ideally, Pie would get around 350 ABs and Michaels around 300.

 

Michaels is really too good to platoon. Besides he'll cost the Cub's a lot more then Pierre.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Thanks for the reply but you may want to put some time into your reply so that you may actually make a point or better yet make some sense.

 

i didn't find it difficult to comprehend

 

Good for you and thanks for making another post about nothing. You get one gold star. :D

 

PMSing?

 

That was original.

Seriously, why do you keep wasting posts with nothing to say?

 

 

then end it by not responding, please.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I'll reserve judgement on the wiseness of this move until I see if it happens, and who it is we give up.

 

If it's Nolasco and Soto, or something like that, great. If it's a combo of Hill Pinto or Marshall I'll retch.

 

If Hendry wouldn't trade Hill for Dunn, why would he trade him and another player for Pierre?

 

And knowing Hendry's history of trades, doesn't it seem highly unlikely he would trade 2 of his top LH pitching prospects?

 

Hah, didn't he trade D-Train to the Marlins?