ESPN1K says Cubs trying to finish a deal for Pierre

[RockTheIvy]

So let's assume for a second that this trade goes down and Pierre is the starting CF next season. The leadoff problem is solved, so what is done about SS, 2B and RF? I wouldn't mind seeing Cedeno and Walker at the two infield spots and then another power bat in right. Maybe bring in both Giles brothers? I think getting Pierre could be nice because we a) get to see Cedeno play some short and b) won't see Furcal as a Cub in 2010.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I like Pierre. Discuss.

 

Pierre isn't very good.

 

I could easily see him having a .350 OBP year. As long as the Cubs don't give up too much I could see him as a nice stop gap. Not everyone on your team can be a superstar.

 

He could have a .350 OBP, but he's going to make .335-.340 OBP's worth of outs, he doesn't hit for extra bases, and he's an average defender at best. Oh, and he had a SUB 700 OPS last year. Why is he our(not you CFICT :wink:) first option for CF?

[CUBZ99]

I'll reserve judgement on the wiseness of this move until I see if it happens, and who it is we give up.

 

If it's Nolasco and Soto, or something like that, great. If it's a combo of Hill Pinto or Marshall I'll retch.

 

If Hendry wouldn't trade Hill for Dunn, why would he trade him and another player for Pierre?

 

And knowing Hendry's history of trades, doesn't it seem highly unlikely he would trade 2 of his top LH pitching prospects?

 

Hah, didn't he trade D-Train to the Marlins?

 

andy MacPhail was the gm that made that trade.

 

Did MacPhail make the Garland for Karchner trade too?

[CuseCubFan69]

I like Pierre. Discuss.

 

Pierre isn't very good.

 

I'd rather improve at RF and SS and keep Corey at CF.

 

What if Corey, in a package, could help the Cubs get an impact RF?

[Schwarber Fan]

I like Pierre. Discuss.

 

Pierre isn't very good.

 

I'd rather improve at RF and SS and keep Corey at CF.

 

Nah, a 1-2 top of the order with Furcal and Pierre (vice-versa) is =P~

[USSoccer]

I like Pierre. Discuss.

 

Pierre isn't very good.

 

I'll take him for a couple of Rule 5 guys that wouldn't make the 40 man if Hendry can swing that.

 

Depending on the price I'd be pretty okay with it. It keeps Dusty from EVER batting Neifi leadoff, it doesn't necessarily preclude us from signing Furcal if we want to, but it gives us leverage. He's a FA after this year, and will probably be a A type FA, so we get a draft pick if/when he walks, and he will be an improvment over the tripe we had at the top last year.

 

Having said all that, it all swings on the player cost to aquire. If it's reasonable, then it's a good move. If we give up a Pie, Hill, Pinto or Masrhall, it's not.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'll reserve judgement on the wiseness of this move until I see if it happens, and who it is we give up.

 

If it's Nolasco and Soto, or something like that, great. If it's a combo of Hill Pinto or Marshall I'll retch.

 

If Hendry wouldn't trade Hill for Dunn, why would he trade him and another player for Pierre?

 

And knowing Hendry's history of trades, doesn't it seem highly unlikely he would trade 2 of his top LH pitching prospects?

 

Hah, didn't he trade D-Train to the Marlins?

 

andy MacPhail was the gm that made that trade.

 

Did MacPhail make the Garland for Karchner trade too?

 

Lynch did that beauty.

[wastra]

Well, like any move, this had BETTER not be the centerpiece move of hte outfield this season. But whether or not I like this move depends almost entirely on A.) what we give up, and B.) what other moves we make around this.

 

This seems much like the Lee deal... one that may have just sort of fallen into Hendry's lap and made sense to him. I don't hate Pierre, although I recognize he's not a difference maker in and of himself. But we have many needs, and if we can fill one of them REASONABLY with Juan Pierre, then so be it, assuming we still go hard after a better Right Fielder, and address our bullpen and starting needs AND so long as Neifi isn't the starting SS.

 

But so help me God, if we have an opening day lineup with Pierre, Patterson, and Neifi, I'm never watching another Cubs game.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I like Pierre. Discuss.

 

Pierre isn't very good.

 

I'd rather improve at RF and SS and keep Corey at CF.

 

What if Corey, in a package, could help the Cubs get an impact RF?

 

Go get Michaels, Bradley, Wilkerson, even GMJ.

[CuseCubFan69]

I like Pierre. Discuss.

 

Pierre isn't very good.

 

I'll take him for a couple of Rule 5 guys that wouldn't make the 40 man if Hendry can swing that.

 

Depending on the price I'd be pretty okay with it. It keeps Dusty from EVER batting Neifi leadoff, it doesn't necessarily preclude us from signing Furcal if we want to, but it gives us leverage. He's a FA after this year, and will probably be a A type FA, so we get a draft pick if/when he walks, and he will be an improvment over the tripe we had at the top last year.

 

Having said all that, it all swings on the player cost to aquire. If it's reasonable, then it's a good move. If we give up a Pie, Hill, Pinto or Masrhall, it's not.

 

I agree. I can't imagine Pie or Hill but I really see Pinto as a guy that may go in this trade.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I like Pierre. Discuss.

 

Pierre isn't very good.

 

I'd rather improve at RF and SS and keep Corey at CF.

 

What if Corey, in a package, could help the Cubs get an impact RF?

 

Go get Michaels, Bradley, Wilkerson, even GMJ.

 

Those guys will most likely cost the Cubs more prospects wise. I'm not sure I would wanna do that with Pie waiting in the wings.

[E.J.]

It depends how much Pierre is going to cost. I wouldn't mind a 1 and 2 of Pierre and Furcal at all. Much, much better than what we had last year IMO.

 

I guess if it happens I'll wait until I see who's going to Florida in the deal before I pass judgement.

[NorthsideAvenger]

He could have a .350 OBP, but he's going to make .335-.340 OBP's worth of outs, he doesn't hit for extra bases, and he's an average defender at best. Oh, and he had a SUB 700 OPS last year. Why is he our(not you CFICT :wink:) first option for CF?

 

Is it because he is the only legit CF who is actually AVAILABLE and young enough to continue to contribute? I like Pierre, and I believe in a contract yr, he will bounce back and have an outstanding yr. And it won't take Pie, Hill or Marshall to land him. I say Pinto and a decent low A reliever, should do the trick.

 

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To the OTHER debate in this thread:

 

No Pie is not ready, NOR should he be placed in a platoon when he is ready. Let him play everyday in 2007, regardless. Platoon situation does nothing for the player or the organization, but waste a yr.

Edited November 15, 2005 by NorthsideAvenger

[AlwaysaCub]

Has ESPN1000 elaborated at all?

[USSoccer]

Any news/word from Bruce Miles on this?

[CuseCubFan69]

I like Pierre. Discuss.

 

Pierre isn't very good.

 

I'd rather improve at RF and SS and keep Corey at CF.

 

What if Corey, in a package, could help the Cubs get an impact RF?

 

Go get Michaels, Bradley, Wilkerson, even GMJ.

 

I don't pretend to know what Hendry is thinking but which would you rather have:

 

Pierre and impact RF or Michaels/Bradley/Wilkerson/GMJ and Burnitz type in right?

[rocket]

I like Pierre. Discuss.

 

Pierre isn't very good.

 

I'd rather improve at RF and SS and keep Corey at CF.

 

What if Corey, in a package, could help the Cubs get an impact RF?

 

Then good for us. But I still don't think that means we need to get Pierre. It wouldn't be hard at all to find someone else who could give us a sub .700 OPS without giving up prospects.

[CP_414]

So to catch up...The report by Bruce Levine on ESPN 1000 at 5pm was that the Cubs are near completion of a deal of Pierre. The Cubs would send 2 minor leaguers. No word on who they are.

 

Has any other news outlet picked up this report? Has ESPN 1000 given any more detail into the report? Any other news that I missed?

[UK1679666180]

Michaels or Bradley wouldn't cost as much to obtain as Pierre based on mistaken perceptions of Pierre.

 

Michaels has been in a platoon and can still be used in a platoon as he has for all of his career.

[oldcubsfan]

So let's assume for a second that this trade goes down and Pierre is the starting CF next season. The leadoff problem is solved, so what is done about SS, 2B and RF? I wouldn't mind seeing Cedeno and Walker at the two infield spots and then another power bat in right. Maybe bring in both Giles brothers? I think getting Pierre could be nice because we a) get to see Cedeno play some short and b) won't see Furcal as a Cub in 2010.

I like your idea of Pierre and the Giles brothers plus Cedeno. If Atlanta signs Furcal, Giles will be traded, why not here along with his brother as a FA, we certainly can afford it. Let Cedeno play and if he fails, the most hated Cub can play until a mid season trade.

[rocket]

And for the record, Bruce Levine radio reports mean nothing to me.

[CuseCubFan69]

I like Pierre. Discuss.

 

Pierre isn't very good.

 

I'd rather improve at RF and SS and keep Corey at CF.

 

What if Corey, in a package, could help the Cubs get an impact RF?

 

Then good for us. But I still don't think that means we need to get Pierre. It wouldn't be hard at all to find someone else who could give us a sub .700 OPS without giving up prospects.

 

But you have Baker and Hendrys goofy ideas on what a leadoff hitter should be and this is what we have to deal with. I do not agree with them but IMO we might have to geuss the players they want and are going to get not the ones we would like to see aquired. That's the frustrating part...guessing unproductive players and who the Cubs will give up for them.

[oldcubsfan]

And for the record, Bruce Levine radio reports mean nothing to me.

So? He has better info than most and at least talks about baseball.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Thanks for the reply but you may want to put some time into your reply so that you may actually make a point or better yet make some sense.

 

i didn't find it difficult to comprehend

 

Good for you and thanks for making another post about nothing. You get one gold star. :D

 

PMSing?

 

That was original.

 

Seriously, why do you keep wasting posts with nothing to say?

 

Same reason you attempt to belittle those that disagree with your ideas. Why not just state your case without the petty attacks your posts are known for.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

And for the record, Bruce Levine radio reports mean nothing to me.

Agree, he has let us down before