Bears Week 14 at 49ers, 3:25 on FOX

[minnesotacubsfan]

6 hours ago, gflore34 said:

Hate to say this but, I hope the Lions win the Super Bowl, might make it easier for the Bears to hire away Ben Johnson.  I know the last time the Bears hired a hot shot OC was Nagy and we know how that turned out.  Johnson is probably more legit, he's not working with Mahomes and Reid, not that Goff is terrible, he's not Mahomes.  A legit, good HC in Ben Johnson + Caleb means the Lions, Vikings and Packers better beat the Bears now while they still can.  Then again, who am I kidding?  The Bears will probably  somehow horsefeathers it up.

The thing that intrigues me about Johnson is that he has tailored his offense to maximize Goffs strength; accuracy. I was reading an Athletic article about Goff and that point was made in the article. That’s the kind of coach I want

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea, i don't care about dumb rules. Not supposed to be a particularly strong class. Go Jeanty if he looks like clear best player.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Gibbs was a grand slam pick for that team

[gflore34]

12 hours ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

The thing that intrigues me about Johnson is that he has tailored his offense to maximize Goffs strength; accuracy. I was reading an Athletic article about Goff and that point was made in the article. That’s the kind of coach I want

He'll definitely clean up Caleb' footwork and look to maximize his quick release, that'll form a lethal, nearly unstoppable offense.

[Old Style]

16 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

Joe Brady's supposed big selling point is he has apparently taught Allen to limit turnovers, not that Caleb has an issue with this at all anyway. He's also turned the Buffalo running game around. Frankly he's not particularly exciting to me.

He was the guy calling plays at LSU when Burrow won a national championship, I believe. 

[Brian707]

16 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

2 of the first 3 picks absolutely must be EDGE and oline. What they do with the 3rd could be another from DL, Safety or even more Oline

What if they do something crazy like trade their #1 plus the Carolina #2 for Sean McVay?

That was a legitimate talking point on the Score this morning. I know they are just trying to stir up the meatballs but I almost had to pull over in laughter 

Edited December 4, 2024 by Brian707

[gflore34]

Saw a little bit of the Herd regarding the attractiveness of the Bears job relative to other openings, they deemed the Bears job the most attractive with the caveat of dealing with the young rosters of GB and Detroit plus the best HC in the Vikings' McConnell.  I say horsefeathers them all, you get the correct HC/Coaching Staff and Caleb' the best QB in the NFC North, I'll take that over anything at GB, DET or MINN.

[Brian707]

Green Bay is going to be toughest long term.

Minnesota, I still don't buy them being anything beyond mediocre long term.

Detroit, we will see how long this lasts. I still think Campbell will make a critical mistake sometime in the playoffs costing them a SB

[gflore34]

1 hour ago, Brian707 said:

Green Bay is going to be toughest long term.

Minnesota, I still don't buy them being anything beyond mediocre long term.

Detroit, we will see how long this lasts. I still think Campbell will make a critical mistake sometime in the playoffs costing them a SB

Probably. Caleb and Rome realizing their potentials?  I'll take my chances vs. the NFC North.  That's the exciting part, as previously mentioned, it's not - "well, if Mitch or Justin can take a step forward...",  it's - "with the right coaching and cleaning up some things Caleb' going to explode".

 Not so certain about the greatness of Dan Campbell, so far, at least once, it appears he's capable of picking good assistants.  If he loses Johnson and Glenn can he do it again?  If so, then the Lions will probably continue to be good.

Edited December 4, 2024 by gflore34

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I have zero interest in trading draft capital for any coach 

[gflore34]

51 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I have zero interest in trading draft capital for any coach 

Agree, right now appears chances of success are fairly decent with Ben Johnson and, to a lesser extent, Joe Brady.

Edited December 4, 2024 by gflore34

[BigSlick]

14 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Gibbs was a grand slam pick for that team

I made fun of it at the time, and I still don’t think there are any RBs that should warrant a first round pick given where the NFL is at these days, but I still gotta hand it to the Lions for making the most of it. (And I will still think virtually any position player is more valuable as a 1st rounder aside from maybe linebacker)

[Wilson A2000]

5 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I have zero interest in trading draft capital for any coach 

Probably would take multiple very high picks to get Shanahan. I too hate the sound of that, but getting a proven coach who is a great offensive mind is very enticing. 

[NorthsideAvenger]

I get not wanting to trade picks for a coach. I also get the message you are sending by trading pick for a coach. It says the Bears don't trust themselves in hiring a new coach. But this is Kyle Shanahan we are talking about. He has been to two Super Bowls with Brock Purdy at QB, imagine him with Caleb Williams. I also know the argument about keeping the picks and just hiring Brady or Johnson. Unlike Hairyducked, I won't dismissed the idea of trading for Shanahan (he would the only coach I'd considered trading for) nor should the Bears.

 

[raw]

I'd probably trade for McVay if it came down to it. LOL.  He's better than Shanahan to me. He's done more with less, and he's actually gotten over the hump in the Superbowl. 

But if I can get Ben Johnson, I get him for just money. IDK if Johnson can be a good HC, but honestly, the bar for the next coach is just "not idiot". Flus legitimately was possibly the worst coach in the league and statistically speaking, the worst coach of all time in close games. 

So the bar is pretty low. And honestly, I feel like if 3 OCs and 2 HCs in 13 games hasn't broken Caleb, I don't know what will. We saw some good stuff from Waldron even, and it's been better under Brown so far against elite defenses. So, being that level is probably good enough offensively with improvements on the OL and naturally from Caleb and getting on the same page with Rome and DJ more consistently. 

Give me someone that has attention to detail and knows that time and timeouts are important.

[raw]

3 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

I get not wanting to trade picks for a coach. I also get the message you are sending by trading pick for a coach. It says the Bears don't trust themselves in hiring a new coach. But this is Kyle Shanahan we are talking about. He has been to two Super Bowls with Brock Purdy at QB, imagine him with Caleb Williams. I also know the argument about keeping the picks and just hiring Brady or Johnson. Unlike Hairyducked, I won't dismissed the idea of trading for Shanahan (he would the only coach I'd considered trading for) nor should the Bears.

 

One was with Jimmy G. But yeah, I'd trade for Shanahan or McVay

[NorthsideAvenger]

5 hours ago, raw said:

One was with Jimmy G. But yeah, I'd trade for Shanahan or McVay

My bad, you're right. 

[BigbadB]

10 hours ago, raw said:

But if I can get Ben Johnson, I get him for just money. IDK if Johnson can be a good HC, but honestly, the bar for the next coach is just "not idiot".

This right here is why I'm not trading picks for a coach. This team still needs those picks to complete the rebuild. There is no guarantee that these teams are even willing to trade their coaches or what the actual cost might be. Trading for McVay and suffering whether another year of Teven Jenkins as your LG will get you 8 games is not acceptable. 

Between the popular names of Ben Johnson, Joe Brady and Kliff Kingsbury, they should be able to land someone who won't crap the bed the way Eberflus did. It probably should have been Dan Quinn if they had a redo from this past year. 

I definitely don't want it to be Vrabel or Gruden or Belichick. 

[jersey cubs fan]

I would take Belichik 

[gflore34]

Belichik smells like the White Sox hiring of LaRussa, please, no.

[CubinNY]

I'm calling it, the Bears will win this game. 

[Old Style]

2 hours ago, gflore34 said:

Belichik smells like the White Sox hiring of LaRussa, please, no.

When was the last time LaRussa won a WS before the Sox hired him?

Edited December 5, 2024 by Old Style

[gflore34]

6 minutes ago, Old Style said:

When was the last time LaRussa won a WS before the Sox hired him?

2011?

[jersey cubs fan]

2 hours ago, gflore34 said:

Belichik smells like the White Sox hiring of LaRussa, please, no.

Not even the least bit similar imo. 

 

LaRussa was checked out for a decade before that hire. It would not be a long term hire, but it should be a stabilizing one for 3-5 years. I’ve long maintained the Bears are desperate to replicate the Steelers stability at the HC position and this is why I’d doubt they take the old man (more so than the roster control issues), but they could surprise. The one thing theyve always done is shift the category of new hire. Recently that’s been defensive guy/offensive guy rotation, but they’ve also gone from first time NFL head coach with other head coach history, to lots of head coaching experience to young coordinator with limited NFL experience. 
 

Belichik would be a shift closer to the John Fox type, after back to back failed coordinators. 

[Brian707]

47 minutes ago, Old Style said:

When was the last time LaRussa won a WS before the Sox hired him?

Not to mention LaRussa is a drunk