Glasnow...Now?

[WhyCantWeWin]

Makes a lot of sense for the Dodgers, one year rental til ohtani is ready to pitch again. Maybe Yamamoto doesn't want to play with a star like Ohtani.

[Layoutman]

So what happens when the Mariners sign Bellinger and someone else scoops up Hoskins?

[LBiittner]

1 minute ago, 84 Cubs said:

So what happens when the Mariners sign Bellinger and someone else scoops up Hoskins?

Jed can always circle back to get trey mancini. Jeds still paying 7mil for 2024

It would be the frugal route to take. 

 

 

 

[s2obed]

Wonder when Jed will finally use some of his big prospects to acquire some real talent. 

I’m holding Cade and Shaw but everyone else should be available, imo

[Layoutman]

3 minutes ago, s2obed said:

Wonder when Jed will finally use some of his big prospects to acquire some real talent. 

I’m holding Cade and Shaw but everyone else should be available, imo

Would hate to see Caissie go.

[Stratos]

Now that Ohtani is signed We'd probably be better off signing a FA TORP and using prospects to acquire a player at a position not readily available in FA or someone with control.

 

[mfcubs22]

Yeah, just go pay for Snell, Montgomery, or Yamamoto. Glasnow would be nice as you don’t have to commit multiple years to a pitcher to get high end talent, but I think our prospects will be of better use to acquire a bat or a multi-year cost controlled pitcher (Clase). 

[Jason Ross]

If there's a positive, it's that these two (with a follower count of under 9K combined) seem to be the lone two reporting this trade going down. Not to say they can't know something, only that it seems on the very "unverified" side right now. If that's the end package, I'll be a bit miffed that the Cubs couldn't make that one happen after the smoke connecting the two for a few weeks. Sure, the Cubs can go sign an Imanaga or a Montgomery yet, and they're good pitchers, but neither fill a glaring need the Cubs rotation has for velocity and strikeouts like Glasnow does. There's some injury risk there of course, but Glasnow is one of the few, truly impactful players remaining on the market that is likely to move. Maybe the Cubs are really stealthily playing the Yamamoto game, but losing out of Glasnow hurts, if it's the case.

[Backtobanks]

9 hours ago, gocubs218 said:

I’ll wait for a better source but not looking great. 

 

It's a good thing we don't need a SP and a ML CF.

[Backtobanks]

7 hours ago, LBiittner said:

Jed can always circle back to get trey mancini. Jeds still paying 7mil for 2024

It would be the frugal route to take. 

 

 

 

Don't worry we've got Mervis and Tauchman

[CubinNY]

There is a block of brownstones on N. Kenmore Tommy boy has his eye on. Can't be using that money to pay for players. 

[Rcal10]

7 hours ago, Stratos said:

Now that Ohtani is signed We'd probably be better off signing a FA TORP and using prospects to acquire a player at a position not readily available in FA or someone with control.

 

Yes, they need to sign a starting pitcher. And he needs to be a good one, not some #4 starter. But they also should trade for Glasnow for this year. This idea of having to stay just under the LT should not be accepted this year. Especially if they go over with 2 guys that will also become free agents next year. Glasnow would have been a great fit for this team. 

[Rcal10]

8 hours ago, 84 Cubs said:

So what happens when the Mariners sign Bellinger and someone else scoops up Hoskins?

Then there better be trades. Time to use some of those minor league assets for proven major league talent.

[gflore34]

8 hours ago, imb said:

ahh, the sounds of these sweet summer children getting surprised at the cubs doing nothing in the offseason

 

Hey, now, they signed Counsell, didn't they?  Come to Wrigley Field and watch him manage, see him sit in the dugout, chew some gum, drink some water.

[Brian707]

8 hours ago, imb said:

ahh, the sounds of these sweet summer children getting surprised at the cubs doing nothing in the offseason

 

A story as old as time.  Just get busloads of blue hairs from Iowa to fill the ballpark every summer and rube locals to watch a team competing for the NL Central. Ricketts, Tribune,  Wrigley family, it never changes.  

[Jason Ross]

 

[CubinNY]

I didn't really want him for the Cubs, so I'm not that broken up about it. 

 

[Bertz]

I'm pretty blase on Jed not pulling down one of the big three.  The costs on Soto and (seemingly) Yamamoto are pretty dumb, and Ohtani clearly just wanted to be a Dodger.  But this one would irk me.  

Glasnow was a tight fit with Soto or Ohtani, but Jed's already passed on those guys.  I buy that he also doesn't make a ton of sense with someone in the Snell/Montgomery/Imanaga tier, and Jed probably shouldn't spend 2/3's of his resources on SP.  But if he isn't pretty far down the road with one of those three down this is a baaaaaaadddddd look.  I am largely aligned on most of Jed's team building philosophies.  Getting a mega elite talent (Glasnow's probably the #3 SP in baseball on a per inning basis) on a one year deal by swallowing a little extra risk is exactly the kind of thing he is supposed to do based on the ideas he espouses.

 

 

[Rob]

Rumor has it, the OF may not be Margot. It could be Arozarena.

Apparently he scrubbed one of his social media profiles of the Rays, and tagged Shohei in a post. And I guess Ohtani's interpreter just followed Arozarena?

It's probably more flight-tracker stuff. But I'd be a bit miffed about this.

[Rcal10]

5 minutes ago, Bertz said:

I'm pretty blase on Jed not pulling down one of the big three.  The costs on Soto and (seemingly) Yamamoto are pretty dumb, and Ohtani clearly just wanted to be a Dodger.  But this one would irk me.  

Glasnow was a tight fit with Soto or Ohtani, but Jed's already passed on those guys.  I buy that he also doesn't make a ton of sense with someone in the Snell/Montgomery/Imanaga tier, and Jed probably shouldn't spend 2/3's of his resources on SP.  But if he isn't pretty far down the road with one of those three down this is a baaaaaaadddddd look.  I am largely aligned on most of Jed's team building philosophies.  Getting a mega elite talent (Glasnow's probably the #3 SP in baseball on a per inning basis) on a one year deal by swallowing a little extra risk is exactly the kind of thing he is supposed to do based on the ideas he espouses.

 

 

I agree on Glasnow making a lot of sense. There is no bad one year deal. Didn’t out FO say that at one time. Glasnow was the perfect guy to add with another pitcher. As far as I am concerned his contract shouldn’t even be an issue in this years team. Go over the LT his entire contract. It comes off next year. I hate that this team worries so much about that tax line. Be a big market, damn it. 

[NorthsideAvenger]

27 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

I didn't really want him for the Cubs, so I'm not that broken up about it. 

 

Same here. The Cubs have shown very little gumption--especially under Jed--- at acquiriiring velocity, so why start now with Glasnow. Better hope Ben Brown and Cade Horton can be those guys at some point in 2024. 

[Tryptamine]

42 minutes ago, Rob said:

Rumor has it, the OF may not be Margot. It could be Arozarena.

Apparently he scrubbed one of his social media profiles of the Rays, and tagged Shohei in a post. And I guess Ohtani's interpreter just followed Arozarena?

It's probably more flight-tracker stuff. But I'd be a bit miffed about this.

I wonder what it's like to have a team actively try to win rather than, with the help of some positive variance, sneak into the playoffs and catch fire at exactly the right time.

[Jason Ross]

45 minutes ago, Bertz said:

I'm pretty blase on Jed not pulling down one of the big three.  The costs on Soto and (seemingly) Yamamoto are pretty dumb, and Ohtani clearly just wanted to be a Dodger.  But this one would irk me.  

Glasnow was a tight fit with Soto or Ohtani, but Jed's already passed on those guys.  I buy that he also doesn't make a ton of sense with someone in the Snell/Montgomery/Imanaga tier, and Jed probably shouldn't spend 2/3's of his resources on SP.  But if he isn't pretty far down the road with one of those three down this is a baaaaaaadddddd look.  I am largely aligned on most of Jed's team building philosophies.  Getting a mega elite talent (Glasnow's probably the #3 SP in baseball on a per inning basis) on a one year deal by swallowing a little extra risk is exactly the kind of thing he is supposed to do based on the ideas he espouses.

 

 

I would argue even if he is way down the road on one of them this is a bad look. The pathway for the Cubs in 2024 to be really good is likely going to be "pitching-pitching-pitching". Replacing Stroman with any of those three is probably closer to a push than it is anything of a real upgrade (looking at the way Stroman pitched when healthy. I'm not really blaming him on the rib injury) talent wise. Get two good pitchers. Let's make it a dominant ass rotation.

My fear is that the Cubs are more interested in Shane Bieber over that of Tyler Glasnow, which is my biggest issue right now with the team. Bieber is a fine pitcher, but I think the reason you'd be more interested in Bieber is because "he gets ground balls which our defense can make better" and "he'd be nominally cheaper to acquire" (per Steve Anderson of MLBTR, he said the price on Bieber would be less). I get it, taking Bieber, putting him with an elite middle infield defense can squeeze extra value out of him. But why not just get the better pitcher to begin with? Use your resources. Big a big market team. Absorb a $25m contract. Assume the injury risk. Get the better player, damnit. 

Maybe I'm wrong on that last paragraph, and I'll accept that I don't know. But damn, that would really make me mad. That's small-market mentality. 

Edited December 13, 2023 by 1908_Cubs

[gflore34]

8 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

I would argue even if he is way down the road on one of them this is a bad look. The pathway for the Cubs in 2024 to be really good is likely going to be "pitching-pitching-pitching". Replacing Stroman with any of those three is probably closer to a push than it is anything of a real upgrade (looking at the way Stroman pitched when healthy. I'm not really blaming him on the rib injury) talent wise. Get two good pitchers. Let's make it a dominant ass rotation.

My fear is that the Cubs are more interested in Shane Bieber over that of Tyler Glasnow, which is my biggest issue right now with the team. Bieber is a fine pitcher, but I think the reason you'd be more interested in Bieber is because "he gets ground balls which our defense can make better" and "he'd be nominally cheaper to acquire" (per Steve Anderson of MLBTR, he said the price on Bieber would be less). I get it, taking Bieber, putting him with an elite middle infield defense can squeeze extra value out of him. But why not just get the better pitcher to begin with? Use your resources. Big a big market team. Absorb a $25m contract. Assume the injury risk. Get the better player, damnit. 

Maybe I'm wrong on that last paragraph, and I'll accept that I don't know. But damn, that would really make me mad. That's small-market mentality. 

I think you're very close, for Hoyer and the Cubs its all about keeping the ball down, pitch to contact, generate ground balls coupled with good defense.  It's the relatively cheap easy way to mediocrity.

Just don't understand it, to be so aggressive with on the managerial front, only to do nothing to improve his roster.

Edited December 13, 2023 by gflore34

[Transmogrified Tiger]

7 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

My fear is that the Cubs are more interested in Shane Bieber over that of Tyler Glasnow, which is my biggest issue right now with the team. Bieber is a fine pitcher, but I think the reason you'd be more interested in Bieber is because "he gets ground balls which our defense can make better" and "he'd be nominally cheaper to acquire" (per Steve Anderson of MLBTR, he said the price on Bieber would be less). I get it, taking Bieber, putting him with an elite middle infield defense can squeeze extra value out of him. But why not just get the better pitcher to begin with? Use your resources. Big a big market team. Absorb a $25m contract. Assume the injury risk. Get the better player, damnit. 

I alluded to something similar in the other thread, but the part of Jed's approach to team-building I like the least has been over-indexing on certain pitching traits that end up with him priced out on the types of guys they're still missing to really headline a team that can be dangerous in the postseason.  Maybe I just lack vision, and he's gonna give up less for Bieber and extend him(a pre-FA extension has at least been floated in the media), and then Chapman's market is never gonna materialize and they'll get him for like 3/60 or whatever and PCA comes up and no batted ball ever finds grass again.  But the road to an offseason I'm really happy with is pretty narrow now, and probably relies on at least one or maybe two uncommon things happening.