Chicago Bears Offseason Thread (the tank must payoff)

[BigbadB]

I haven't even heard Skoronski having any visits to the Bears. I've seen a million mocks that have him going to the Bears, but unless Poles is purposely ignoring him to make others think they don't want him, I'm guessing Poles has already excluded him from his list of candidates to start at T for the Bears this year, 

There were rumors about several other players that I don't think Poles is serious about, and those could be smoke screen rumors to try to get teams to jump them so that Paris slides to #9. Even the trade back with Pittsburgh rumor could have been leaked to try to get someone to trade up. Poles knows he needs to make a big splash after moving down. He's got his guys on his radar, and I'm sure he has a fall back (literally) plan if none of them are there. 

It is my belief that Poles would love nothing more than to take the guy he probably would have taken with the first pick (Carter), and he's doing everything he can to try to get him to slide to #9. Paris is probably is first backup plan. Neither could end up being there, and if that's the case, it will be interesting to see where he goes. That's how I see it right now. I could be way off and Skoronski was the guy he wanted all along like all of the pundits have predicted.

[Magnetic Curses]

it's Wright, Skoronski or bust for me.

[WrigleyField 22]

If they stay at 9 it just better be a premium position.  If they trade down then TBD based how far down they go and how board shakes out. 

[We Got The Whole 9]

18 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

it's Wright, Skoronski or bust for me.

Those are the only acceptable picks for you at 9?

I want them to trade down, but if they don't, I would be cool with a few other players if they make it to 9 - JSN, Witherspoon, maybe even Nolan Smith.

[bukie]

I think the Bears are going to end up with several blue chip options at 9, especially if 4 QBs are drafted in the top 8. They can't go wrong with any of the #1 options at DE, DT or CB, and if for some reason all those options are gone, there's still two #1 OT options that could be drafted there, or trade down further for quantity, since they need several options at all 4 of those positions to fill out the team.

[Magnetic Curses]

11 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Those are the only acceptable picks for you at 9?

I want them to trade down, but if they don't, I would be cool with a few other players if they make it to 9 - JSN, Witherspoon, maybe even Nolan Smith.

nah to JSN 9luxury), nah to Nolan Smith (doesn't seem like a fit in the 4-3), nah to Witherspoon.

I think the most important thing to the team is to foster the development and ascension of the most vital player at the most vital position. Fields is your best player and your ticket to the playoffs.

 

I hear "let's take the most talented player no matter what," a lot. first, BPA is always subjective due to any number of factors, and if you build elsewhere when your line is incomplete, you're going to end up rebuilding again, because you didn't help protect the QB and you ruined him or got him hurt.

 

I would accept Jalen Carter if he falls, because you take 5 cheap years of Chris Jones if you can get them. But then you have to trade back up into the first or high second to get one of the tackles.

 

Poles passed on tackle in FA, he can't do it again. Line needs tio be built and Wright and Skoronski are the only guys ready to help immediately. imo.

[Magnetic Curses]

7 minutes ago, bukie said:

I think the Bears are going to end up with several blue chip options at 9, especially if 4 QBs are drafted in the top 8. They can't go wrong with any of the #1 options at DE, DT or CB, and if for some reason all those options are gone, there's still two #1 OT options that could be drafted there, or trade down further for quantity, since they need several options at all 4 of those positions to fill out the team.

i think they need the best option which help protects Fields. I mean, he got sacked 55 times last year. Corner is deep in this draft, deeper than Tackle. I really like Jakorian Bennett, who should be available on day 3.

if Skoronski and Wright are both gone, I think you trade down and try to get who is left in the middle first, like Harrison. but then I think it's necessary to double up in the second or third, like Freeland, who fits the mold as well. But Freeland can't be your highest drafted OL.

[Magnetic Curses]

Fields gave a taste of what he can do for you last year. I think he's fully capable of being a more complete passer than Hurts, and thusly, an absolutely stupid video game player. You have to go for that, you have to give the league something it's barely ever seen on a football field.

 

there were times last season when Fields was being pressured on any true pass set, but I was still confident he would convert 3rd and longs. Get him more protection and then build him a statue in every town from Chicago to Rock Island.

[WrigleyField 22]

Diogenes, welcome to the board and the Bears thread.  Just been lurking for 2.5 years? 

[raw]

12 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

i think they need the best option which help protects Fields. I mean, he got sacked 55 times last year. Corner is deep in this draft, deeper than Tackle. I really like Jakorian Bennett, who should be available on day 3.

if Skoronski and Wright are both gone, I think you trade down and try to get who is left in the middle first, like Harrison. but then I think it's necessary to double up in the second or third, like Freeland, who fits the mold as well. But Freeland can't be your highest drafted OL.

Part of why Fields got sacked is because he held onto the ball too long. If you can add a guy who can get open quickly, that increases the incentive for Fields to get the ball out quickly, thus reduces the number of sacks he takes. If JSN is that guy (and he looks like he should be) then he's probably worth more than a RT as far as reducing hits on Fields. 

I do agree, I don't love him at 9. I'd be more for JSN in a trade down, but it remains to be seen how far they can move and still get him.

[Magnetic Curses]

Just now, raw said:

Part of why Fields got sacked is because he held onto the ball too long. If you can add a guy who can get open quickly, that increases the incentive for Fields to get the ball out quickly, thus reduces the number of sacks he takes. If JSN is that guy (and he looks like he should be) then he's probably worth more than a RT as far as reducing hits on Fields. 

I do agree, I don't love him at 9. I'd be more for JSN in a trade down, but it remains to be seen how far they can move and still get him.

this is fair, for sure, but Fields has never really gotten the chance to be comfortable in the pocket so he really can't set his internal clock. imagine if he got the same pockets that Goff is getting.

[Magnetic Curses]

7 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Diogenes, welcome to the board and the Bears thread.  Just been lurking for 2.5 years? 

i got approved and the email got buried. forgot about it.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Getting horsefeathering Mustipher out of there probably reduces his sacks by a quarter at least lol

[Tryptamine]

33 minutes ago, raw said:

Part of why Fields got sacked is because he held onto the ball too long. If you can add a guy who can get open quickly, that increases the incentive for Fields to get the ball out quickly, thus reduces the number of sacks he takes. If JSN is that guy (and he looks like he should be) then he's probably worth more than a RT as far as reducing hits on Fields. 

I do agree, I don't love him at 9. I'd be more for JSN in a trade down, but it remains to be seen how far they can move and still get him.

Unfortunately I think GB moving up 2 slots from the trade means you can't trade back past 12 now and hope to get JSN. At that point it's probably better just to pop him at 9 if he's your guy.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Idk, I think it would be hard for me to pass on Robinson at 9. RB and all, but still a playmaker 

[Brian707]

29 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

Idk, I think it would be hard for me to pass on Robinson at 9. RB and all, but still a playmaker 

Bears to draft a RB at 15-1 with first pick. I might throw $20 on it. Yes probably lighting money on fire but what the hell

[Tryptamine]

32 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

Idk, I think it would be hard for me to pass on Robinson at 9. RB and all, but still a playmaker 

I wouldn't be thrilled, but I wouldn't go full blown freak out depending on the rest of the draft. They'd have to kill the rest of the draft and probably move up at least once to keep it from being disappointing.

[minnesotacubsfan]

2 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

I wouldn't be thrilled, but I wouldn't go full blown freak out depending on the rest of the draft. They'd have to kill the rest of the draft and probably move up at least once to keep it from being disappointing.

I guess I look at it like this: with a top 10 pick, the Bears need the best skill player available. Robinson is def one of the top skill players in the draft, and I don't really think there will be any offensive skill players who are better at 9. Maybe a CB or two, that would be my other choice.

 

I feel like they can clean up the lines in the 2nd-4th rounds

[Tryptamine]

19 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

I guess I look at it like this: with a top 10 pick, the Bears need the best skill player available. Robinson is def one of the top skill players in the draft, and I don't really think there will be any offensive skill players who are better at 9. Maybe a CB or two, that would be my other choice.

 

I feel like they can clean up the lines in the 2nd-4th rounds

I think that's a lot to ask to get 3 to 4 day 1 starters on the lines if they aren't using their 1st round pick on one. With that said, it sure would make the offense exciting.

[Magnetic Curses]

17 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

I guess I look at it like this: with a top 10 pick, the Bears need the best skill player available. Robinson is def one of the top skill players in the draft, and I don't really think there will be any offensive skill players who are better at 9. Maybe a CB or two, that would be my other choice.

 

I feel like they can clean up the lines in the 2nd-4th rounds

Need to add to the line at some point, like premium talent. if we're rebuilding in the trenches, the rebuilding needs to start before Brisker and Gordon are approaching their second deals.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

6 hours ago, Diogenes said:

this is fair, for sure, but Fields has never really gotten the chance to be comfortable in the pocket so he really can't set his internal clock. imagine if he got the same pockets that Goff is getting.

Fields being slow to pull the trigger was in his scouting report coming out of Ohio State, where he had plenty of time to throw.

Sacks are as much a QB stat as they are an OL stat, and you don't become the most sackable team in modern NFL history without having a problem on both axes.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

One of the reasons I like the idea of JSN, regardless of whether he's good value at 9, is that his skill set would lead to him being visibly open early in plays, and Fields really likes for his receivers to be visibly open.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

5 hours ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

Idk, I think it would be hard for me to pass on Robinson at 9. RB and all, but still a playmaker 

I can almost talk myself into it,.  It's one of those where I know that over a decade-long scale it's probably not the ideal move, but it would be really fun for 2-4 years.

[minnesotacubsfan]

8 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

One of the reasons I like the idea of JSN, regardless of whether he's good value at 9, is that his skill set would lead to him being visibly open early in plays, and Fields really likes for his receivers to be visibly open.

Is JSN a prototypical slot wr?

[UMFan83]

Not sure why this crap is coming out right before the draft but