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[Hairyducked Idiot]

Fields hasn't just been regular bad. Fields has been showing the worst QB play I have ever seen from a QB who is supposed to have a chance to be good. He's been worse than bad rex, worse than Trubisky. Maaaaybe McNown was this bad but sometimes he would randomly drop 250 and 3 TDs.

 

If we keep winning games with running and defense, while he keeps playing this badly, there will be pressure on his job. If we are sitting at 6-6, you can't tell me the coaching staff will be comfortable looking the other 52 players in the eye and telling them they might not get playoff game checks because we can't bench a guy who isn't doing his job

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I never thought Nagy was that bad. Bad enough to be fired? Sure.

 

Bad enough that he was singlehandedly holding everyone back? That was bears fan cope

 

I mean, nobody rational thought it was Nagy alone that was the issue. The GM wasted money on over the hill vets and traded draft picks like Pokémon cards while neglecting the OL in the process. The QB didn't progress from Year 2 to Year 4 (and still looks the same in Year 6).

 

That same gm who made all the other mistakes is the one who zeroed in on fields even as 10 other teams passed on him

[jersey cubs fan]

 

If we keep winning games with running and defense, while he keeps playing this badly, there will be pressure on his job. If we are sitting at 6-6, you can't tell me the coaching staff will be comfortable looking the other 52 players in the eye and telling them they might not get playoff game checks because we can't bench a guy who isn't doing his job

 

That’s not going to be an issue. They won’t beat 4 more teams playing like they’ve played so far.

[raw]

 

If we keep winning games with running and defense, while he keeps playing this badly, there will be pressure on his job. If we are sitting at 6-6, you can't tell me the coaching staff will be comfortable looking the other 52 players in the eye and telling them they might not get playoff game checks because we can't bench a guy who isn't doing his job

 

That’s not going to be an issue. They won’t beat 4 more teams playing like they’ve played so far.

 

Exactly. Non issue because they won't win games if Fields is this bad. And Fields won't be this bad, because he isn't this bad.

 

Bad Rex certainly had worse games. McNown only had 3 games with 250 yards and multiple TDs, and he threw 5 INTs in those games.

 

And they aren't going to bench him. A 6-6 team shouldnt complain about not making the playoffs. They don't have Jimmy G waiting in the wings. They have Trevor Siemien, with no future and very little past.

 

This is a stupid hypothetical. They won't be 6-6. There won't be anyone too look in the eye. Fields will play better and they'll still lose games. Will he play good enough? Who knows but certainly will be better than today.

[SpongeWorthy]

silver lining the mcvay shanahan scheme is taking a league wide dump today

[BigSlick]

Fields hasn't just been regular bad. Fields has been showing the worst QB play I have ever seen from a QB who is supposed to have a chance to be good. He's been worse than bad rex, worse than Trubisky. Maaaaybe McNown was this bad but sometimes he would randomly drop 250 and 3 TDs.

 

If we keep winning games with running and defense, while he keeps playing this badly, there will be pressure on his job. If we are sitting at 6-6, you can't tell me the coaching staff will be comfortable looking the other 52 players in the eye and telling them they might not get playoff game checks because we can't bench a guy who isn't doing his job

 

 

No, he’s not putting on the worst performance of any QB expecting to be good. As said, Bad Rex was significantly worse. Bad Cutler was worse too, for that matter. Bad Orton (not the same expectations but he finished with a respectable career) was worse.

 

He’s been bad and he’s trending worse, but we also have to have our bearings because it’s been two weeks. Settle down.

[WrigleyField 22]

Granted I'm not as invested in this 49ers game, but there's such a psychological difference watching a not good QB like Jimmy not being good but still generally trusted by his play caller to operate a offense and and what we've been seeing happen with Fields.

 

Like, missed a throw he probably shouldn't gave, but they called a pass play on 3rd and 3. Bears are running on like 3rd and 6. They would never pass on 3rd and 3 right now and it's kinda depressing as a fan to watch that lack of confidence play on over and over.

[Soul]

Granted I'm not as invested in this 49ers game, but there's such a psychological difference watching a not good QB like Jimmy not being good but still generally trusted by his play caller to operate a offense and and what we've been seeing happen with Fields.

 

Like, missed a throw he probably shouldn't gave, but they called a pass play on 3rd and 3. Bears are running on like 3rd and 6. They would never pass on 3rd and 3 right now and it's kinda depressing as a fan to watch that lack of confidence play on over and over.

That throw Jimmy G just made was so stinky I can still smell it. He’ll get one more chance and if the 49ers pull it out nobody will care.

 

I’ll try to settle down on Fields but I’m pretty disappointed right now what I’ve seen.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Which specific Grossman game was as bad as 8-for-17 for 106 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs?

 

Closest I can find is 10-for-18 for 132 yards, 1 TD/1 INT

 

Some of you are in total denial as to how badly fields is playing

[jersey cubs fan]

Which specific Grossman game was as bad as 8-for-17 for 106 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs?

 

Closest I can find is 10-for-18 for 132 yards, 1 TD/1 INT

 

Some of you are in total denial as to how badly fields is playing

He’s been inarguably terrible and has an inarguably worse group to work with. Sometimes, when you purposely sabotage an offense, it works.

[UMFan83]

Which specific Grossman game was as bad as 8-for-17 for 106 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs?

 

Closest I can find is 10-for-18 for 132 yards, 1 TD/1 INT

 

Some of you are in total denial as to how badly fields is playing

 

Not that QB rating is super accurate but I can think of multiple games off the top of my head that were worse. 2006 at home vs Vikings. I believe his qb rating was 3. Also 2006 at home vs Packers. It was 0.0 in that game. The “horsefeathers it I’m throwing it downfield game” against the Patriots was really bad too

 

Edit: just looked up those specific games

 

MIN - 6/19 for 34 passing yards, 0 TD, 3 INT

GB - 2/12 for 33 passing yards, 0 TD, 3 INT (only played the first half)

NE - 15/34 for 176 passing yards, 0 TD, 3 INT

 

Heck the famous MNF game against Arizona he was 14/37 for 144 yards, 0 TD, 4 INT

 

2007 vs Dallas - 15/32 195 yards 0 TD, 3 INT

 

What about Cutler?

 

2009 vs BAL: 10/27 for 94 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT

2010 vs NE: 12/26 for 154 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT

2011 vs CAR: 9/17 for 102 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT

2012 vs GB: 11/27 for 126 yards, 1 TD, 4 INT

[raw]

Which specific Grossman game was as bad as 8-for-17 for 106 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs?

 

Closest I can find is 10-for-18 for 132 yards, 1 TD/1 INT

 

Some of you are in total denial as to how badly fields is playing

 

Not that QB rating is super accurate but I can think of multiple games off the top of my head that were worse. 2006 at home vs Vikings. I believe his qb rating was 3. Also 2006 at home vs Packers. It was 0.0 in that game. The “horsefeathers it I’m throwing it downfield game” against the Patriots was really bad too

 

Edit: just looked up those specific games

 

MIN - 6/19 for 34 passing yards, 0 TD, 3 INT

GB - 2/12 for 33 passing yards, 0 TD, 3 INT (only played the first half)

NE - 15/34 for 176 passing yards, 0 TD, 3 INT

 

Heck the famous MNF game against Arizona he was 14/37 for 144 yards, 0 TD, 4 INT

 

2007 vs Dallas - 15/32 195 yards 0 TD, 3 INT

 

What about Cutler?

 

2009 vs BAL: 10/27 for 94 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT

2010 vs NE: 12/26 for 154 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT

2011 vs CAR: 9/17 for 102 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT

2012 vs GB: 11/27 for 126 yards, 1 TD, 4 INT

 

I thought the question was a joke. Grossman literally had 5 games worse than Fields' today in a 13-3, Superbowl season.

[Brian707]

Which specific Grossman game was as bad as 8-for-17 for 106 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs?

 

Closest I can find is 10-for-18 for 132 yards, 1 TD/1 INT

 

Some of you are in total denial as to how badly fields is playing

 

Not that QB rating is super accurate but I can think of multiple games off the top of my head that were worse. 2006 at home vs Vikings. I believe his qb rating was 3. Also 2006 at home vs Packers. It was 0.0 in that game. The “horsefeathers it I’m throwing it downfield game” against the Patriots was really bad too

 

Edit: just looked up those specific games

 

MIN - 6/19 for 34 passing yards, 0 TD, 3 INT

GB - 2/12 for 33 passing yards, 0 TD, 3 INT (only played the first half)

NE - 15/34 for 176 passing yards, 0 TD, 3 INT

 

Heck the famous MNF game against Arizona he was 14/37 for 144 yards, 0 TD, 4 INT

 

2007 vs Dallas - 15/32 195 yards 0 TD, 3 INT

 

What about Cutler?

 

2009 vs BAL: 10/27 for 94 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT

2010 vs NE: 12/26 for 154 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT

2011 vs CAR: 9/17 for 102 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT

2012 vs GB: 11/27 for 126 yards, 1 TD, 4 INT

 

I thought the question was a joke. Grossman literally had 5 games worse than Fields' today in a 13-3, Superbowl season.

 

Grossman also had a very good O Line, decent WR, decent TE plus a championship caliber defense, and the greatest KR/PR in history to mask his terrible play a bit.

 

Not giving Fields a pass, before the season I thought it was 50/50 he would be a bust, now I am thinking its more like 80/20

[minnesotacubsfan]

if Fields wasnt a bust, Poles certainly set him up to be one

[BigbadB]

It's actually slightly amusing that two of the Bears prized WR's are injured considering how little they are throwing the ball.

[CubinNY]

I know it's not Holmesian analysis, but I think Poles/Eberflus/Getsy have their collective minds made up on Fields. And that's that.

[raw]

I know it's not Holmesian analysis, but I think Poles/Eberflus/Getsy have their collective minds made up on Fields. And that's that.

 

I don't think that at all. I didn't think that when everyone said it this offseason. I don't think that now.

 

I think it's the exact opposite, actually.

 

Those 3 know their OL isn't an ideal pass blocking line. They know their WRs aren't very good (there were rumors yesterday that they will be active at the trade deadline to add a WR). They know Fields is learning a new offense. Setting him up for failure would be letting him get beaten down by dropping back 35 times per game with this personnel. I know I have complained about the lack of passing attempts, but they are perfectly justified in them. They have won 2 of the 3 games by running the ball like crazy. They are clearly geared to pound the ball on the ground, and they are playing to literally their only offensive strength right now.

 

I know everyone wants Fields to sink or swim, because everyone wants an answer NOW if he is a franchise QB or not. But I don't think the 3 in charge (GM, HC, OC) are concerned about that. They are trying to win games now, develop Fields along the way, and find out by the end of next year if he's the guy or not.

 

I really don't understand how everyone was convinced this team would be bad and knew the offense would struggle. They are bad and struggling and now everyone is upset because it's "too bad". If Fields was going 14-22, 200 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT per game, guess what? They wouldn't be bad like we all knew they would be (and the personnel says they should be) before the season.

 

It's like the Ray Rice video. "Oh he punched a girl in the face, he's suspended". Then the video comes out, "oh he hit her really hard" Well, that's what a punch is. It's really hard. IDK why people needed video to see it was bad. I don't know why we needed actual game film to see how bad the talent on this offense is. Sure I'd like Fields to do his part better, but this regime is delusional if they are watching this and saying, "see, he's not the guy. Can't elevate this poor talent, let's move on"

[squally1313]

That's an interesting analogy.

[Soul]

I get what you are saying raw and I agree with some of it. But I've seen QBs fare better on teams with bad talent. You can see the QB talent is there, even through the bad stuff. I'm not seeing that with Fields.

 

And can you really blame people for freaking out when this is a old, worn out broken record? He needs time. The talent around him is awful. The coaches are protecting him. It's a new offense.

 

Ultimately when I see plays where the pocket is clean and the ball just sails into a defender, or he holds on to the ball staring down one receiver too long and gets sacked, it's bad and there's understandably concern whether he can be successful.

[CubinNY]

I know it's not Holmesian analysis, but I think Poles/Eberflus/Getsy have their collective minds made up on Fields. And that's that.

 

I don't think that at all. I didn't think that when everyone said it this offseason. I don't think that now.

 

I think it's the exact opposite, actually.

 

Those 3 know their OL isn't an ideal pass blocking line. They know their WRs aren't very good (there were rumors yesterday that they will be active at the trade deadline to add a WR). They know Fields is learning a new offense. Setting him up for failure would be letting him get beaten down by dropping back 35 times per game with this personnel. I know I have complained about the lack of passing attempts, but they are perfectly justified in them. They have won 2 of the 3 games by running the ball like crazy. They are clearly geared to pound the ball on the ground, and they are playing to literally their only offensive strength right now.

 

I know everyone wants Fields to sink or swim, because everyone wants an answer NOW if he is a franchise QB or not. But I don't think the 3 in charge (GM, HC, OC) are concerned about that. They are trying to win games now, develop Fields along the way, and find out by the end of next year if he's the guy or not.

 

I really don't understand how everyone was convinced this team would be bad and knew the offense would struggle. They are bad and struggling and now everyone is upset because it's "too bad". If Fields was going 14-22, 200 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT per game, guess what? They wouldn't be bad like we all knew they would be (and the personnel says they should be) before the season.

 

It's like the Ray Rice video. "Oh he punched a girl in the face, he's suspended". Then the video comes out, "oh he hit her really hard" Well, that's what a punch is. It's really hard. IDK why people needed video to see it was bad. I don't know why we needed actual game film to see how bad the talent on this offense is. Sure I'd like Fields to do his part better, but this regime is delusional if they are watching this and saying, "see, he's not the guy. Can't elevate this poor talent, let's move on"

Ok. Design plays to his strengths then. They aren't doing that. They aren't developing whatever talent he has and when he's been given a little opportunity, he's not delivered. They do not look like they are trying to develop a QB. At all.

[WrigleyField 22]

I know it's not Holmesian analysis, but I think Poles/Eberflus/Getsy have their collective minds made up on Fields. And that's that.

 

I don't think that at all. I didn't think that when everyone said it this offseason. I don't think that now.

 

I think it's the exact opposite, actually.

 

[highlight=yellow]Those 3 know their OL isn't an ideal pass blocking line. They know their WRs aren't very good[/highlight](there were rumors yesterday that they will be active at the trade deadline to add a WR). They know Fields is learning a new offense. Setting him up for failure would be letting him get beaten down by dropping back 35 times per game with this personnel. I know I have complained about the lack of passing attempts, but they are perfectly justified in them. They have won 2 of the 3 games by running the ball like crazy. They are clearly geared to pound the ball on the ground, and they are playing to literally their only offensive strength right now.

 

I know everyone wants Fields to sink or swim, because everyone wants an answer NOW if he is a franchise QB or not. But I don't think the 3 in charge (GM, HC, OC) are concerned about that. They are trying to win games now, develop Fields along the way, and find out by the end of next year if he's the guy or not.

 

I really don't understand how everyone was convinced this team would be bad and knew the offense would struggle. They are bad and struggling and now everyone is upset because it's "too bad". If Fields was going 14-22, 200 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT per game, guess what? They wouldn't be bad like we all knew they would be (and the personnel says they should be) before the season.

 

It's like the Ray Rice video. "Oh he punched a girl in the face, he's suspended". Then the video comes out, "oh he hit her really hard" Well, that's what a punch is. It's really hard. IDK why people needed video to see it was bad. I don't know why we needed actual game film to see how bad the talent on this offense is. Sure I'd like Fields to do his part better, but this regime is delusional if they are watching this and saying, "see, he's not the guy. Can't elevate this poor talent, let's move on"

I know what you're trying to say, but the highlighted was in their control.

 

If Fields was their draft pick they would have aggressively added pieces with him all else being exactly the same. They punted on that opportunity, so from the beginning, that kind of forced a decision, "their commitment to him is lukewarm" or "they just think he's the guy and will elevate play around him" . Obviously it's not the latter.

 

If they're running at this rate all year, then we know what we have in Fields. For me, it's less about being impatient and needing to know what Fields is now, 3 weeks in. I expected uncertainty for this year. But the trajectory and seeing there really isn't opportunity for growth is what sucks.

 

Long story short, there sprotecting your QB. And then there is laying down on almost low probably 2nd and 3rd down because you don't have any apparent trust in the QB. It's not fun to watch as a fan and seems awfully doomy for the prospect of the QB.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Not going to touch the Grossman thing, but 100% agree with Hairyduck (1) that many if not most Bears fans are in serious "cope mode" with respect to Fields and are telling themselves every excuse in the book to avoid the obvious conclusion staring us right in the face, and (2) that Fields hasn't been "regular bad"--he's been, like, far and away the worst starting quarterback in the league.

 

The thing that gets me the most are the Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts comparisons. Like, yea, those guys weren't great in year 2, but man oh man were they *way* more competent than Fields is now. Just as an off-hand example, here are Allen's first 3 games in his second year:

 

• 24/37 for 254 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 6.9 yards/attempt

• 19/30 for 253 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 8.4 yards/attempt

• 23/36 for 243 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 6.8 yards/attempt

 

Full disclosure, Allen was horrific in his 4th game that season on a Fields-esque level--13/28 for 153 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs, 5.5 yards/attempt--but at least he was completing passes. I saw on Twitter that through 3 games, we have the fewest completions of any team through the first 3 games of the season since 1982.

[minnesotacubsfan]

silver lining the mcvay shanahan scheme is taking a league wide dump today

 

did any team get over 30 points this weekend? looots of low scores

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Which specific Grossman game was as bad as 8-for-17 for 106 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs?

 

Closest I can find is 10-for-18 for 132 yards, 1 TD/1 INT

 

Some of you are in total denial as to how badly fields is playing

 

Not that QB rating is super accurate but I can think of multiple games off the top of my head that were worse. 2006 at home vs Vikings. I believe his qb rating was 3. Also 2006 at home vs Packers. It was 0.0 in that game. The “horsefeathers it I’m throwing it downfield game” against the Patriots was really bad too

 

Edit: just looked up those specific games

 

MIN - 6/19 for 34 passing yards, 0 TD, 3 INT

GB - 2/12 for 33 passing yards, 0 TD, 3 INT (only played the first half)

NE - 15/34 for 176 passing yards, 0 TD, 3 INT

 

Heck the famous MNF game against Arizona he was 14/37 for 144 yards, 0 TD, 4 INT

 

2007 vs Dallas - 15/32 195 yards 0 TD, 3 INT

 

What about Cutler?

 

2009 vs BAL: 10/27 for 94 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT

2010 vs NE: 12/26 for 154 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT

2011 vs CAR: 9/17 for 102 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT

2012 vs GB: 11/27 for 126 yards, 1 TD, 4 INT

 

I'll be honest, I assumed the Grossman/Minnesota game was a partial game just glancing at the stat line.

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But nope, it was full, and we won 23-13.

 

I hate bears football

[minnesotacubsfan]

Who would you all have liked Poles to sign in the offseason? Allen Robinson was gone, wanted nothing to do with Chicago. Cincy picked up some o-line help, but Burrows is leading the league in sacks. Now that the dust has settled a bit, i'm not sure what Poles could have done other then draft a WR in the second. Its the most glaring move I'd say was a mistake so far

 

We never planned on making the playoffs but somehow still hoped for 25/32 350 3td games form Fields? Idk, that seems ...odd. I'm more than willing to let Fields figure it out in real time over the next 13 games.