Bears week 3: Lovie returns noon on CBS

[Brian707]

With the Giants and Commanders on deck, its possible this team will be 4-1.

[minnesotacubsfan]

With the Giants and Commanders on deck, its possible this team will be 4-1.

 

and everyone who follows the nfl will (probably rightfully) call the Bears the softest 4-1 team in history

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Who would you all have liked Poles to sign in the offseason? Allen Robinson was gone, wanted nothing to do with Chicago. Cincy picked up some o-line help, but Burrows is leading the league in sacks. Now that the dust has settled a bit, i'm not sure what Poles could have done other then draft a WR in the second. Its the most glaring move I'd say was a mistake so far

 

We never planned on making the playoffs but somehow still hoped for 25/32 350 3td games form Fields? Idk, that seems ...odd. I'm more than willing to let Fields figure it out in real time over the next 13 games.

Dude, come on--literally, no one is saying that.

 

There is a galactic amount of space between "I'm upset that Fields isn't going 25/32 for 350 yards and 3 TDs" (which no one is saying, as far as I can tell) and "I'm concerned that Fields is by far the worst quarterback in the league and is putting up historically bad numbers."

 

Again, Lawrence was bad last year. Allen was bad in his second season, too. Etc., etc., etc.

 

But those dudes at least completed passes and seemingly had the trust of their coaching staff to at least call pass plays in the first place.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Have a seat, Neifi

[Bertz]

With the Giants and Commanders on deck, its possible this team will be 4-1.

 

Yeah Football Outsiders has the team finishing 8-9 at this point. The Bears aren't good but this schedule is a joke.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Who would you all have liked Poles to sign in the offseason? Allen Robinson was gone, wanted nothing to do with Chicago. Cincy picked up some o-line help, but Burrows is leading the league in sacks. Now that the dust has settled a bit, i'm not sure what Poles could have done other then draft a WR in the second. Its the most glaring move I'd say was a mistake so far

 

We never planned on making the playoffs but somehow still hoped for 25/32 350 3td games form Fields? Idk, that seems ...odd. I'm more than willing to let Fields figure it out in real time over the next 13 games.

Dude, come on--literally, no one is saying that.

 

There is a galactic amount of space between "I'm upset that Fields isn't going 25/32 for 350 yards and 3 TDs" (which no one is saying, as far as I can tell) and "I'm concerned that Fields is by far the worst quarterback in the league and is putting up historically bad numbers."

 

yea, that space is known as the "Mitchell Trubiskys" of the world. but he sucked too, so i guess we're doomed

 

Fields isnt going to get better throwing 15 times in a game, and they arent going to throw more then 15 times a game until they get a decent WR. Even Mooney has seemingly fallen off the radar somehow. hopefully raws report of them being active for a WR at deadline is true and they get someone to help them open up the pass game, but I hope they dont trade the house.ESB seems like the only guy to show up on Sundays

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I want fields to look good. You can look good in a bad offense. He's not. He can't make reads, he can't move in the pocket, he's not seeing open receivers and somehow his accuracy is gone.

 

The rest of the offense has actually been a pleasant surprise, give or take a kmet

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

If we keep winning games with running and defense, while he keeps playing this badly, there will be pressure on his job. If we are sitting at 6-6, you can't tell me the coaching staff will be comfortable looking the other 52 players in the eye and telling them they might not get playoff game checks because we can't bench a guy who isn't doing his job

 

That’s not going to be an issue. They won’t beat 4 more teams playing like they’ve played so far.

 

I'm not so sure. I've seen this show before. Shorten the game, keep it close, hope to get lucky. You can beat some bad teams that way with luck, and we have had teams on the schedule.

[minnesotacubsfan]

...

 

The rest of the offense has actually been a pleasant surprise, give or take a kmet

 

man, I dont know who you are watching but outside of the run game the entire O is a mess. Remember Trubisky staring down the wide open TE and not throwing the ball his second year? Seems to be a thing in Chicago. Maybe its the color of their uniforms

[WrigleyField 22]

Who would you all have liked Poles to sign in the offseason? Allen Robinson was gone, wanted nothing to do with Chicago. Cincy picked up some o-line help, but Burrows is leading the league in sacks. Now that the dust has settled a bit, i'm not sure what Poles could have done other then draft a WR in the second. Its the most glaring move I'd say was a mistake so far

 

We never planned on making the playoffs but somehow still hoped for 25/32 350 3td games form Fields? Idk, that seems ...odd. I'm more than willing to let Fields figure it out in real time over the next 13 games.

There were plenty of WR options out there in FA better than Pringle.

 

One of those was widely mocked by fans due to his perceived overpay and he is one of the best WR in the game through three games.

 

There were absolutely limits to what the Bears could do (they weren't gonna make a blockbuster trade and you never wanna narrow in on one position in the draft), but they treated FA like... well like most first time GMs treat FA. But there was powder there (and now all roles over into an almost unusable amount in 2023). So I'm not lost as to what's occurring, but it wasn't the best foot forward with Fields.

 

Even in that context where, "okay I know they're gonna be a team that leada with the run" and the last two games look like they're treating Fields like he's a rookie 6th rounder from Conference USA.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Who would you all have liked Poles to sign in the offseason? Allen Robinson was gone, wanted nothing to do with Chicago. Cincy picked up some o-line help, but Burrows is leading the league in sacks. Now that the dust has settled a bit, i'm not sure what Poles could have done other then draft a WR in the second. Its the most glaring move I'd say was a mistake so far

 

We never planned on making the playoffs but somehow still hoped for 25/32 350 3td games form Fields? Idk, that seems ...odd. I'm more than willing to let Fields figure it out in real time over the next 13 games.

There were plenty of WR options out there in FA better than Pringle.

 

One of those was widely mocked by fans due to his perceived overpay and he is one of the best WR in the game through three games.

 

There were absolutely limits to what the Bears could do (they weren't gonna make a blockbuster trade and you never wanna narrow in on one position in the draft), but they treated FA like... well like most first time GMs treat FA. But there was powder there (and now all roles over into an almost unusable amount in 2023). So I'm not lost as to what's occurring, but it wasn't the best foot forward with Fields.

 

Even in that context where, "okay I know they're gonna be a team that leada with the run" and the last two games look like they're treating Fields like he's a rookie 6th rounder from Conference USA.

 

who were the WR's that were available, especially the one that was mocked? Not being argumentative, I just dont recall them.

[Bertz]

Who would you all have liked Poles to sign in the offseason? Allen Robinson was gone, wanted nothing to do with Chicago. Cincy picked up some o-line help, but Burrows is leading the league in sacks. Now that the dust has settled a bit, i'm not sure what Poles could have done other then draft a WR in the second. Its the most glaring move I'd say was a mistake so far

 

We never planned on making the playoffs but somehow still hoped for 25/32 350 3td games form Fields? Idk, that seems ...odd. I'm more than willing to let Fields figure it out in real time over the next 13 games.

There were plenty of WR options out there in FA better than Pringle.

 

One of those was widely mocked by fans due to his perceived overpay and he is one of the best WR in the game through three games.

 

There were absolutely limits to what the Bears could do (they weren't gonna make a blockbuster trade and you never wanna narrow in on one position in the draft), but they treated FA like... well like most first time GMs treat FA. But there was powder there (and now all roles over into an almost unusable amount in 2023). So I'm not lost as to what's occurring, but it wasn't the best foot forward with Fields.

 

Even in that context where, "okay I know they're gonna be a team that leada with the run" and the last two games look like they're treating Fields like he's a rookie 6th rounder from Conference USA.

 

Yeah seeing what we've seen so far, I'm pretty okay with the approach to the O-line. It hasn't been perfect, but it hasn't been "it's gonna get Justin killed" bad like we feared and with the infusion of youth it should presumably improve a good bit as the year goes on.

 

There weren't enough resources allocated at WR though. There was a volume approach tied to the O-line, but at WR there was not nearly a sufficient amount of quantity given the lack of quality. Plus, I'm just generally not as sure you can throw volume at WR and assume things will work out, at least not with such a young QB.

[UMFan83]

With the Giants and Commanders on deck, its possible this team will be 4-1.

 

Yeah Football Outsiders has the team finishing 8-9 at this point. The Bears aren't good but this schedule is a joke.

 

Fields could be the Bears 2nd NVP in 3 years!

[Tryptamine]

Early results really aren't great on Poles' first draft class. Kyler Gordon has been awful. Brisker has been OK. Is Velus Jones still alive? Braxton Jones has been pretty bad. Dominque Robinson has been good. Ebner looks slow and doesn't make people miss at all.

[bukie]

With the Giants and Commanders on deck, its possible this team will be 4-1.

 

Yeah Football Outsiders has the team finishing 8-9 at this point. The Bears aren't good but this schedule is a joke.

 

Yeah, as of right now, FO projects the NFC teams:

 

1. Philly 13-4

2. Tampa 11-6

3. GB 10-7

4. LA Rams 10-7

5. Vikings 10-7

6. SF 9-0

7. Dallas 9-8

8. Bears 8-9

9. Saints 8-9

10. Lions 8-9

11. Giants 8-9

12. Falcons 7-10

13. Seahawks 7-10

14. Panthers 7-10

15. Commanders 6-11

16. Cardinals 6-11

 

Effectively, the NFC has 2, maybe 3 really good teams (Philly, Tampa, GB), a glut of mediocre, and no really terrible teams. The Bears are firmly in the "certainly not a great team, but not bad" camp with SF-Dallas-NO-Detroit-NYG, maybe just good enough to look bad in a playoff game.

[UMFan83]

Who would you all have liked Poles to sign in the offseason? Allen Robinson was gone, wanted nothing to do with Chicago. Cincy picked up some o-line help, but Burrows is leading the league in sacks. Now that the dust has settled a bit, i'm not sure what Poles could have done other then draft a WR in the second. Its the most glaring move I'd say was a mistake so far

 

We never planned on making the playoffs but somehow still hoped for 25/32 350 3td games form Fields? Idk, that seems ...odd. I'm more than willing to let Fields figure it out in real time over the next 13 games.

 

With regards to the WRs, they've sucked but we also have to remember that Velus Jones and N'Keal Harry have yet to play. Velus was most likely their 3rd (maybe 2nd) WR. I'm not sure what Harry would have brought to the table but he was a volume option with possible upside.

 

Here were the possible WR acquisitions if the Bears decided to spend more of their focus on the position:

 

* = Still a Free Agent right now

Bold = Signed a 1 year deal

 

Odell Beckham*

Will Fuller*

TY Hilton*

Jarvis Landry

Russell Gage

JuJu Smith-Schuster

Christian Kirk

Julio Jones

DJ Chark

Marquez Valdez-Scantling

Jamison Crowder

 

Quite a few players that we could have fit into the 2022 team that would be upgrades over Pringle or whoever the WR2 technically is and wouldn't have hurt our cap beyond this season. That said, every single one of those 1 year deal guys besides DJ Chark signed with a contender so maybe they would have never been available to the Bears without overpaying, but just saying there were reasonable options out there.

Edited September 26, 2022 by UMFan83

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I know it's not Holmesian analysis, but I think Poles/Eberflus/Getsy have their collective minds made up on Fields. And that's that.

 

I don't think that at all. I didn't think that when everyone said it this offseason. I don't think that now.

 

I think it's the exact opposite, actually.

 

Those 3 know their OL isn't an ideal pass blocking line. They know their WRs aren't very good (there were rumors yesterday that they will be active at the trade deadline to add a WR). They know Fields is learning a new offense. Setting him up for failure would be letting him get beaten down by dropping back 35 times per game with this personnel. I know I have complained about the lack of passing attempts, but they are perfectly justified in them. They have won 2 of the 3 games by running the ball like crazy. They are clearly geared to pound the ball on the ground, and they are playing to literally their only offensive strength right now.

 

I know everyone wants Fields to sink or swim, because everyone wants an answer NOW if he is a franchise QB or not. But I don't think the 3 in charge (GM, HC, OC) are concerned about that. They are trying to win games now, develop Fields along the way, and find out by the end of next year if he's the guy or not.

 

I really don't understand how everyone was convinced this team would be bad and knew the offense would struggle. They are bad and struggling and now everyone is upset because it's "too bad". If Fields was going 14-22, 200 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT per game, guess what? They wouldn't be bad like we all knew they would be (and the personnel says they should be) before the season.

 

It's like the Ray Rice video. "Oh he punched a girl in the face, he's suspended". Then the video comes out, "oh he hit her really hard" Well, that's what a punch is. It's really hard. IDK why people needed video to see it was bad. I don't know why we needed actual game film to see how bad the talent on this offense is. Sure I'd like Fields to do his part better, but this regime is delusional if they are watching this and saying, "see, he's not the guy. Can't elevate this poor talent, let's move on"

Ok. Design plays to his strengths then. They aren't doing that. They aren't developing whatever talent he has and when he's been given a little opportunity, he's not delivered. They do not look like they are trying to develop a QB. At all.

 

Ok? I get that. But it might not be because they already know they are moving on from Fields. It may be because they don't actually know how to do that (first time OC) or know what he does well yet (3 games into 1st season together).

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I know it's not Holmesian analysis, but I think Poles/Eberflus/Getsy have their collective minds made up on Fields. And that's that.

 

I don't think that at all. I didn't think that when everyone said it this offseason. I don't think that now.

 

I think it's the exact opposite, actually.

 

[highlight=yellow]Those 3 know their OL isn't an ideal pass blocking line. They know their WRs aren't very good[/highlight](there were rumors yesterday that they will be active at the trade deadline to add a WR). They know Fields is learning a new offense. Setting him up for failure would be letting him get beaten down by dropping back 35 times per game with this personnel. I know I have complained about the lack of passing attempts, but they are perfectly justified in them. They have won 2 of the 3 games by running the ball like crazy. They are clearly geared to pound the ball on the ground, and they are playing to literally their only offensive strength right now.

 

I know everyone wants Fields to sink or swim, because everyone wants an answer NOW if he is a franchise QB or not. But I don't think the 3 in charge (GM, HC, OC) are concerned about that. They are trying to win games now, develop Fields along the way, and find out by the end of next year if he's the guy or not.

 

I really don't understand how everyone was convinced this team would be bad and knew the offense would struggle. They are bad and struggling and now everyone is upset because it's "too bad". If Fields was going 14-22, 200 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT per game, guess what? They wouldn't be bad like we all knew they would be (and the personnel says they should be) before the season.

 

It's like the Ray Rice video. "Oh he punched a girl in the face, he's suspended". Then the video comes out, "oh he hit her really hard" Well, that's what a punch is. It's really hard. IDK why people needed video to see it was bad. I don't know why we needed actual game film to see how bad the talent on this offense is. Sure I'd like Fields to do his part better, but this regime is delusional if they are watching this and saying, "see, he's not the guy. Can't elevate this poor talent, let's move on"

I know what you're trying to say, but the highlighted was in their control.

 

If Fields was their draft pick they would have aggressively added pieces with him all else being exactly the same. They punted on that opportunity, so from the beginning, that kind of forced a decision, "their commitment to him is lukewarm" or "they just think he's the guy and will elevate play around him" . Obviously it's not the latter.

 

If they're running at this rate all year, then we know what we have in Fields. For me, it's less about being impatient and needing to know what Fields is now, 3 weeks in. I expected uncertainty for this year. But the trajectory and seeing there really isn't opportunity for growth is what sucks.

 

Long story short, there sprotecting your QB. And then there is laying down on almost low probably 2nd and 3rd down because you don't have any apparent trust in the QB. It's not fun to watch as a fan and seems awfully doomy for the prospect of the QB.

 

It was in their control. But it's not like he had a ton to work with. When Poles took the job he had like 20Mil in cap space and 5 draft picks and like 30 roster spots to fill.

 

I hate to be making excuses for Poles, because he 100% should have done more to help Fields. But again, I don't think their commitment to him is lukewarm. It's cautiously optimistic, instead of blind trust like Pace had with Trubisky in 2018 (also his 2nd year). Everyone is making this an all or nothing situation. The Bears love Fields without completing staking their NFL livelihoods in his success. It can be both.

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Not going to touch the Grossman thing, but 100% agree with Hairyduck (1) that many if not most Bears fans are in serious "cope mode" with respect to Fields and are telling themselves every excuse in the book to avoid the obvious conclusion staring us right in the face, and (2) that Fields hasn't been "regular bad"--he's been, like, far and away the worst starting quarterback in the league.

 

The thing that gets me the most are the Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts comparisons. Like, yea, those guys weren't great in year 2, but man oh man were they *way* more competent than Fields is now. Just as an off-hand example, here are Allen's first 3 games in his second year:

 

• 24/37 for 254 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 6.9 yards/attempt

• 19/30 for 253 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 8.4 yards/attempt

• 23/36 for 243 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 6.8 yards/attempt

 

Full disclosure, Allen was horrific in his 4th game that season on a Fields-esque level--13/28 for 153 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs, 5.5 yards/attempt--but at least he was completing passes. I saw on Twitter that through 3 games, we have the fewest completions of any team through the first 3 games of the season since 1982.

 

I mean I get it. I'm not trying to cope with Fields being bad. I'm just trying to bring some common sense to this discussion. He's been worse than "regular bad", I will admit. But it's been 2 games. He was pretty solidly average Week 1. He was bad in Week 2, but he literally had 9 throws before the final drive when the game was over. He was 7-9, 70 yards, 0 TD, 0 INTs. That 0-2 with INT final drive vs. GB took his QB rating from 99.07 to 43.7. So, we're talking a sample size so small that 1 late INT took his stats from what would be considered an OK game to a bad game.

 

And yeah, yesterday he was ASS as he even said. But it's not unprecedent.

 

Matt Ryan was 16-30, 195 3 INTs just last week. Dude's a borderline HOF in his age 37 season

Russell Wilson has been below average all year. Not disasterous in any 1 game, but obviously 2x Super Bowl QB who should be better

 

It's hard to complete passes that you aren't throwing. I'd guess the Bears also have the fewest passing attempts thru the first 3 games of the season as well.

[raw]

I want fields to look good. You can look good in a bad offense. He's not. He can't make reads, he can't move in the pocket, he's not seeing open receivers and somehow his accuracy is gone.

 

The rest of the offense has actually been a pleasant surprise, give or take a kmet

 

No it hasn't. Just the run game. All the pass blocking has been bad, by all 6 OL that have played. All the WRs have had trouble getting open. Even Herbert has had trouble pass blocking. The only things good about this offense has been Montgomery all around, Herbert running the ball, and the OL run blocking.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I want fields to look good. You can look good in a bad offense. He's not. He can't make reads, he can't move in the pocket, he's not seeing open receivers and somehow his accuracy is gone.

 

The rest of the offense has actually been a pleasant surprise, give or take a kmet

 

No it hasn't. Just the run game. All the pass blocking has been bad, by all 6 OL that have played. All the WRs have had trouble getting open. Even Herbert has had trouble pass blocking. The only things good about this offense has been Montgomery all around, Herbert running the ball, and the OL run blocking.

 

Disagree. the pass blocking has been frequently adequate. Probably because the defenses don't care if we pass, but still.

[gflore34]

I want fields to look good. You can look good in a bad offense. He's not. He can't make reads, he can't move in the pocket, he's not seeing open receivers and somehow his accuracy is gone.

 

The rest of the offense has actually been a pleasant surprise, give or take a kmet

 

No it hasn't. Just the run game. All the pass blocking has been bad, by all 6 OL that have played. All the WRs have had trouble getting open. Even Herbert has had trouble pass blocking. The only things good about this offense has been Montgomery all around, Herbert running the ball, and the OL run blocking.

 

Disagree. the pass blocking has been frequently adequate. Probably because the defenses don't care if we pass, but still.

 

I agree on the pass blocking, its more Fields holding on to the ball too long than bad pass blocking.

[raw]

Who would you all have liked Poles to sign in the offseason? Allen Robinson was gone, wanted nothing to do with Chicago. Cincy picked up some o-line help, but Burrows is leading the league in sacks. Now that the dust has settled a bit, i'm not sure what Poles could have done other then draft a WR in the second. Its the most glaring move I'd say was a mistake so far

 

We never planned on making the playoffs but somehow still hoped for 25/32 350 3td games form Fields? Idk, that seems ...odd. I'm more than willing to let Fields figure it out in real time over the next 13 games.

 

I would have liked 1 of the top guards. I wanted dude from the 49ers or the Rams C. But like I said, Poles had 20M and 30 spots to fill when free agency started. Of course, he tried to use a chunk of that space to sign a DT so......

 

But yeah, an elite OG on a 4-year deal would be nice. That's a guy that can still be around when Fields or the next QB is ready to lead the team to the playoffs. That's a guy that can stabilize the line until you get to that point.

 

As for WR, I think drafting a guy in the 2nd would have been nice, but you were already getting like the 7th/8th best guy by that point anyway. No guarantee it would have made much difference thus far.

 

The WRs they could have had over Velus Jones have put up:

 

1 catch, 5 yards

0-0 (and out for the year with cancer)

0-0

5-65

3-61 (all yesterday)

1-30

 

And I have no issue with Pringle. That's the type of guy they should've signed. Coming off a strong year, his 1st year getting a chance to contribute, productive, but cheap enough to not break the bank. Pringle hasn't stayed healthy. Sucks, but it happens.

[gflore34]

Who would you all have liked Poles to sign in the offseason? Allen Robinson was gone, wanted nothing to do with Chicago. Cincy picked up some o-line help, but Burrows is leading the league in sacks. Now that the dust has settled a bit, i'm not sure what Poles could have done other then draft a WR in the second. Its the most glaring move I'd say was a mistake so far

 

We never planned on making the playoffs but somehow still hoped for 25/32 350 3td games form Fields? Idk, that seems ...odd. I'm more than willing to let Fields figure it out in real time over the next 13 games.

 

I would have liked 1 of the top guards. I wanted dude from the 49ers or the Rams C. But like I said, Poles had 20M and 30 spots to fill when free agency started. Of course, he tried to use a chunk of that space to sign a DT so......

 

But yeah, an elite OG on a 4-year deal would be nice. That's a guy that can still be around when Fields or the next QB is ready to lead the team to the playoffs. That's a guy that can stabilize the line until you get to that point.

 

As for WR, I think drafting a guy in the 2nd would have been nice, but you were already getting like the 7th/8th best guy by that point anyway. No guarantee it would have made much difference thus far.

 

The WRs they could have had over Velus Jones have put up:

 

1 catch, 5 yards

0-0 (and out for the year with cancer)

0-0

5-65

3-61 (all yesterday)

1-30

 

And I have no issue with Pringle. That's the type of guy they should've signed. Coming off a strong year, his 1st year getting a chance to contribute, productive, but cheap enough to not break the bank. Pringle hasn't stayed healthy. Sucks, but it happens.

 

Velus Jones is looking more and more like Poles' Kevin White - drafted in 2015, hurt, didn't play until 2016.

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Velus Jones is looking more and more like Poles' Kevin White - drafted in 2015, hurt, didn't play until 2016.

 

He'll play this week. Won't guarantee he'll be any good, but he will play probably play more this year than Kevin White did as a Bear in total.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Who would you all have liked Poles to sign in the offseason? Allen Robinson was gone, wanted nothing to do with Chicago. Cincy picked up some o-line help, but Burrows is leading the league in sacks. Now that the dust has settled a bit, i'm not sure what Poles could have done other then draft a WR in the second. Its the most glaring move I'd say was a mistake so far

 

We never planned on making the playoffs but somehow still hoped for 25/32 350 3td games form Fields? Idk, that seems ...odd. I'm more than willing to let Fields figure it out in real time over the next 13 games.

 

With regards to the WRs, they've sucked but we also have to remember that Velus Jones and N'Keal Harry have yet to play. Velus was most likely their 3rd (maybe 2nd) WR. I'm not sure what Harry would have brought to the table but he was a volume option with possible upside.

 

Here were the possible WR acquisitions if the Bears decided to spend more of their focus on the position:

 

* = Still a Free Agent right now

Bold = Signed a 1 year deal

 

Odell Beckham*

Will Fuller*

TY Hilton*

Jarvis Landry

Russell Gage

JuJu Smith-Schuster

Christian Kirk

Julio Jones

DJ Chark

Marquez Valdez-Scantling

Jamison Crowder

 

Quite a few players that we could have fit into the 2022 team that would be upgrades over Pringle or whoever the WR2 technically is and wouldn't have hurt our cap beyond this season. That said, every single one of those 1 year deal guys besides DJ Chark signed with a contender so maybe they would have never been available to the Bears without overpaying, but just saying there were reasonable options out there.

 

 

why is Odell Beckham still out there?