Bears week 3: Lovie returns noon on CBS

[UMFan83]

Dont forget we traded an extra first round pick both times to get our busts

 

Trading up for Trubisky (over Watson/Mahomes) was far more egregious than trading up for Fields.

 

We know

[WrigleyField 22]

How often do games with 250+ rushing yards end with a 3 point margin of win or less, I wonder.

[UMFan83]

Mooney is so starved for catching passes that he's still out there catching passes from a jug machine

 

[UMFan83]

 

Edited September 25, 2022 by UMFan83

[Derwood]

 

Oh cool, all fixed then

[Bertz]

I'm officially out on Fields. He can't read defenses and make decisions.

 

Maybe if you have enough patience and a good supporting cast he could be OK, but he's never gonna be elite, and I'm tired of settling for anything less at that position. Rosen him this offseason.

 

Yeah, I'm generally of the opinion that there's essentially no predictive value in rookie QB performance. But there's no shrugging off these kind of year 2 struggles. I believe Josh Allen is the only QB in the modern era to be straight up bad in year 2 and then go on to be an impact guy.

 

One of the Ringer guys, I think Kevin Clark, suggested a few years back that a team in the QB desert should start just taking first or second round QBs every year until they get it right. I think that's an overcorrection, but I'm perfectly happy to do every other year. You have like an 80% idea on who your QB is after year 2. If you don't love what you're seeing at that point, you don't have to wait until the end of year 3 or 4 when you're 100% sure to finally make a move

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm officially out on Fields. He can't read defenses and make decisions.

 

Maybe if you have enough patience and a good supporting cast he could be OK, but he's never gonna be elite, and I'm tired of settling for anything less at that position. Rosen him this offseason.

 

He looks broken mentally. He had his issues with accuracy last year but he’s missing throws that he absolutely made last year

 

We spent all offseason messing with his mechanics.

 

So Theo broke out the mustache again to sneak a Bears job?

[UK]

I'm officially out on Fields. He can't read defenses and make decisions.

 

Maybe if you have enough patience and a good supporting cast he could be OK, but he's never gonna be elite, and I'm tired of settling for anything less at that position. Rosen him this offseason.

 

Agreed. Instincts and bad mechanics outweigh a strong arm and athleticism.

[gflore34]

I don't care how many interceptions Fields throws, you've got to keep trying, it's impossible for him to improve as passer by continually handing the ball off. The part I don't like about this staff is they appear unwilling to keep trying, they're not remotely interested in trying to develop Fields. Would they be more willing if Fields was their guy?

[UK]

I'm officially out on Fields. He can't read defenses and make decisions.

 

Maybe if you have enough patience and a good supporting cast he could be OK, but he's never gonna be elite, and I'm tired of settling for anything less at that position. Rosen him this offseason.

 

Yeah, I'm generally of the opinion that there's essentially no predictive value in rookie QB performance. But there's no shrugging off these kind of year 2 struggles. I believe Josh Allen is the only QB in the modern era to be straight up bad in year 2 and then go on to be an impact guy.

 

One of the Ringer guys, I think Kevin Clark, suggested a few years back that a team in the QB desert should start just taking first or second round QBs every year until they get it right. I think that's an overcorrection, but I'm perfectly happy to do every other year. You have like an 80% idea on who your QB is after year 2. If you don't love what you're seeing at that point, you don't have to wait until the end of year 3 or 4 when you're 100% sure to finally make a move

 

It makes sense. Get one every year to see what you got. If they suck, you hide them until the next year and try and get a 2-4th rounder and keep the good ones (unless you're the Bears and they all suck). Keep them on rookie contracts, etc.

[BigSlick]

Well it’s good that he has a pretty good attitude about it. Still not feeling super enthused though.

[UK]

I don't care how many interceptions Fields throws, you've got to keep trying, it's impossible for him to improve as passer by continually handing the ball off. The part I don't like about this staff is they appear unwilling to keep trying, they're not remotely interested in trying to develop Fields. Would they be more willing if Fields was their guy?

 

They should but they have no confidence in him. If they start getting incorrect playoff hopes, I wonder if Fields has a leash.

[gflore34]

I don't care how many interceptions Fields throws, you've got to keep trying, it's impossible for him to improve as passer by continually handing the ball off. The part I don't like about this staff is they appear unwilling to keep trying, they're not remotely interested in trying to develop Fields. Would they be more willing if Fields was their guy?

 

They should but they have no confidence in him. If they start getting incorrect playoff hopes, I wonder if Fields has a leash.

 

To me that means they're bad coaches, confidence in him or not, they must try to build his confidence.

[Soul]

I don't care how many interceptions Fields throws, you've got to keep trying, it's impossible for him to improve as passer by continually handing the ball off. The part I don't like about this staff is they appear unwilling to keep trying, they're not remotely interested in trying to develop Fields. Would they be more willing if Fields was their guy?

 

They should but they have no confidence in him. If they start getting incorrect playoff hopes, I wonder if Fields has a leash.

I probably should have clued into this by last week but today clinched it for me. Poles and Eberflus don’t think of this season as a training exercise for Fields. They’re trying to win games and find out what they have up and down the roster at the same time.

 

Fields isn’t going to get the opportunity to fail and fail again. He’s going to get some plays but I expect it to be in the context of a run first offense because that’s where they are experiencing success.

 

Knowing that, it’s pointless to be upset all year when Fields hands the ball off as much or more than he throws.

[UK]

I don't care how many interceptions Fields throws, you've got to keep trying, it's impossible for him to improve as passer by continually handing the ball off. The part I don't like about this staff is they appear unwilling to keep trying, they're not remotely interested in trying to develop Fields. Would they be more willing if Fields was their guy?

 

They should but they have no confidence in him. If they start getting incorrect playoff hopes, I wonder if Fields has a leash.

 

To me that means they're bad coaches, confidence in him or not, they must try to build his confidence.

 

TBD. I have no reason to believe that they can develop an offense.

[Derwood]

Are there reports of Fields being bad in practice? They’re certainly game planning like he gave them no reason to throw all week

[UK]

Are there reports of Fields being bad in practice? They’re certainly game planning like he gave them no reason to throw all week

 

Its been the opposite, I've never really heard of him having a good week of practice.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I can honestly say that the bears offense would be better right now running the wildcat than with fields in there

[UK]

The bad news is the Bears/Texans game might have been the battle for Stroud.

 

Fwiw, I like Paris Johnson better than Stroud.

[raw]

Lol @ this thread. I get that you can't just throw out last year, but everyone readily admits the disaster that was Matt Nagy's offense. But this was always going to be a huge learning experience on all sides. This is a 1st time head coach, with a 1st time playcaller, and a 1st time GM who put together an offensive side of the ball full of guys that are either 1st time or were 1st time starters last year. The only real experience that has anything to do with offense is Cody Whitehair.

 

Fields is averaging 15 throws a game. Granted he's also being intercepted on 9% of those throws. But it has to be tough to get into a rhythm when you simply aren't getting the reps.

 

The QB is struggling. The OL is struggling to pass block. The WRs and TEs are struggling to get open and have also dropped more than their fair share of catchable passes. And the OC is struggling. There's no layup throws other than screens, which are usually slow developing and get him hit. I saw GB today and last year when Adams was out scheme little easy, quick throws to get him in a rhythm.

 

Now a lot of it is Fields not seeing things well enough or overthinking in general. And he absolutely has to get MUCH better. But it's definitely premature as hell to talk about drafting a guy early next year. RELAX.....I won't guarantee Fields will be fine, because he certainly may not be. But it's been 13 starts. 10 under the Nagy disaster with no 1st team reps in camp. I understand the Bears need to know what they have soon with rookie contracts and 5th year options and all. But let's chill a little bit for now. Fields will get this and next year, assuming he isn't this bad all year (even if he is, you don't have him looking over his shoulder for Trevor horsefeathering Siemien).

[raw]

Like that SF TD. Same play Packers ran on the goaline today. Basically a pick and a wide open WR on an easy throw/read for the QB.

[UMFan83]

Lol @ this thread. I get that you can't just throw out last year, but everyone readily admits the disaster that was Matt Nagy's offense. But this was always going to be a huge learning experience on all sides. This is a 1st time head coach, with a 1st time playcaller, and a 1st time GM who put together an offensive side of the ball full of guys that are either 1st time or were 1st time starters last year. The only real experience that has anything to do with offense is Cody Whitehair.

 

Fields is averaging 15 throws a game. Granted he's also being intercepted on 9% of those throws. But it has to be tough to get into a rhythm when you simply aren't getting the reps.

 

The QB is struggling. The OL is struggling to pass block. The WRs and TEs are struggling to get open and have also dropped more than their fair share of catchable passes. And the OC is struggling. There's no layup throws other than screens, which are usually slow developing and get him hit. I saw GB today and last year when Adams was out scheme little easy, quick throws to get him in a rhythm.

 

Now a lot of it is Fields not seeing things well enough or overthinking in general. And he absolutely has to get MUCH better. But it's definitely premature as hell to talk about drafting a guy early next year. RELAX.....I won't guarantee Fields will be fine, because he certainly may not be. But it's been 13 starts. 10 under the Nagy disaster with no 1st team reps in camp. I understand the Bears need to know what they have soon with rookie contracts and 5th year options and all. But let's chill a little bit for now. Fields will get this and next year, assuming he isn't this bad all year (even if he is, you don't have him looking over his shoulder for Trevor horsefeathering Siemien).

 

raw I respect your opinion and there's definitely some truth to it and good points, but there's just not a ton of examples of QBs playing this bad that turn into good QBs. It doesn't mean Im completely out on him (I don't remember what I posted in the thread but if I person said I was out on Fields it was out of frustration), its just being a realist about what we've seen and the capacity to turn it around.

 

The areas where Fields has struggled have been all over the place. Sometimes he's taking too long to process/throw, other times his mechanics are off, occasionally his decision making is at fault, today he was throwing wildly inaccurate passes. The only one of these that truly worries me long-term is the processing time stuff because that was said to be his issue going into the draft and it doesn't seem like an easy fix. The other stuff you can blame on trying to fix too much all at once, a new offense, inexperienced coaches, low talent surrounding him on offense, etc. He's only throwing 15 times a game because a) he's scrambling too much and/or is getting sacked (some his fault some not his fault) and/or b) the coaches think so little of him at this stage that they have become an extremely conservative run-heavy offense designed to overcome bad QBing.

 

If Fields was having 14-22, 200 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT games I'd be all about all of the reasons you listed why he simply needs more time. But he's not really coming close to those types of numbers right now. Of course you give him all year to work on it, but my hope is fading.

 

What do I know though? Im just a dude that watches games on TV and has never rooted for a good QB on my team so I don't know what it is supposed to look like.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I never thought Nagy was that bad. Bad enough to be fired? Sure.

 

Bad enough that he was singlehandedly holding everyone back? That was bears fan cope

[raw]

There's not really a ton of examples in any particular way of getting a good QB.

 

A 6th round pick became the greatest QB of all time.

Rodgers and Steve Young sat multiple years.

Guys like Mahomes were considered raw and soon as he saw the field started to perform.

Justin Herbert wasn't ready to play, but was great right away.

Ryan Tannehill was a bust, then was good, then is kinda bad again.

Jared Goff had a terrible rookie year then was an mvp candidate that took his team to a SB.

 

Josh Allen and Tua are very recent examples of QBs that looked pretty bad early in their 2nd years. Allen got Diggs. Tua got Tyreke/Waddle and both took offer exponentially.

 

Basically, yeah it's entirely possible that Fields is just bad. But it's not because of history. QBs are defying odds and setting precedents all the time now. If Justin is the guy we thought he was when he was drafted, he will do the same.

 

He has 13 starts. He'll hopefully get 14 more this year and 17 next year to prove what he is. We're only 1/3 of the way thru this book. It was this time in his 4th year when we figure Trubisky probably wasnt the guy. Idk why we're in such a rush to figure out Fields already.

[raw]

I never thought Nagy was that bad. Bad enough to be fired? Sure.

 

Bad enough that he was singlehandedly holding everyone back? That was bears fan cope

 

I mean, nobody rational thought it was Nagy alone that was the issue. The GM wasted money on over the hill vets and traded draft picks like Pokémon cards while neglecting the OL in the process. The QB didn't progress from Year 2 to Year 4 (and still looks the same in Year 6).