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It turns out the real Yu Darvish was the friends we made in this thread

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well yeah, yu tweeted so himself today

 

Actually, Yu followed that up by saying they had made an offer, just those weren't the right numbers.

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Sounds like a starting pitcher is all we're really looking for now. If that's the case, I really want Darvish even more than before. If it takes 6/150, so be it. Give him a couple of opt out and be done with it.
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Sounds like a starting pitcher is all we're really looking for now. If that's the case, I really want Darvish even more than before. If it takes 6/150, so be it. Give him a couple of opt out and be done with it.

Yeah 6/130-150 with an opt out in 2 of the first 3 years and front load it a bit.

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John Harper of the New York Daily News reports that the Yankees' interest in Yu Darvish is "very real."

 

Harper says general manager Brian Cashman thinks they'd be able to sign Darvish at a "reasonable" price due to the stalled free agent market, which is part of the reason they didn't offer a stronger package for Gerrit Cole. Harper writes that the Yankees "seem to think" that price could be in the five-year, $80-90 million range. That seems awfully low, especially since there are a good number of clubs still in on the right-hander. Darvish would put the Yanks over the luxury-tax threshold even if they get him at a bargain rate, and the team has been adamant they won't go there. It would likely require them trading Jacoby Ellsbury and/or another player or two.

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John Harper of the New York Daily News reports that the Yankees' interest in Yu Darvish is "very real."

 

Harper says general manager Brian Cashman thinks they'd be able to sign Darvish at a "reasonable" price due to the stalled free agent market, which is part of the reason they didn't offer a stronger package for Gerrit Cole. Harper writes that the Yankees "seem to think" that price could be in the five-year, $80-90 million range. That seems awfully low, especially since there are a good number of clubs still in on the right-hander. Darvish would put the Yanks over the luxury-tax threshold even if they get him at a bargain rate, and the team has been adamant they won't go there. It would likely require them trading Jacoby Ellsbury and/or another player or two.

Ha!

 

Sign Darvish at 5/110

Trade Happ, Almora, De la Cruz and Hatch for Yelich

Sign for 1/2M

Sign Watson for 2/12

 

That adds 37M in AAV, which means no in season moves without moving commensurate salary. But that's also a damn fine team even without mid-year upgrades.

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John Harper of the New York Daily News reports that the Yankees' interest in Yu Darvish is "very real."

 

Harper says general manager Brian Cashman thinks they'd be able to sign Darvish at a "reasonable" price due to the stalled free agent market, which is part of the reason they didn't offer a stronger package for Gerrit Cole. Harper writes that the Yankees "seem to think" that price could be in the five-year, $80-90 million range. That seems awfully low, especially since there are a good number of clubs still in on the right-hander. Darvish would put the Yanks over the luxury-tax threshold even if they get him at a bargain rate, and the team has been adamant they won't go there. It would likely require them trading Jacoby Ellsbury and/or another player or two.

 

Did Cashman say this while rapelling down a New York high rise?

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5/80-90 would be amazing if the Yankees think that's where his market is at right now (not where they would go to). I'd do 4/90 with opt outs in the first 2 years and call it a day.
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It wouldn't surprise me if Darvish's market was coming down, but as good/shrewd as Cashman has been of late, I tend to think that low is a bit wishful thinking on his part. I mean, the thing is, if it drops near that low, you'd likely get a lot of teams in on the bidding. At those numbers, the Twins can easily go past it. I mean, Wei-Yin Chen and Jeff Samardzija got that level of contracts a few years ago ... those deals are made, perhaps not in a snap, but they are made, and Darvish is better, so if it gets near that low, I'd imagine a lot of teams jumping in before it drops any further. I mean, the Nationals are in the market for an arm and are willing to spend, so unless they simply want to kiss Boras' ring ahead of next year, Darvish would be better than Arrieta, and they have that flexibility, albeit only with some creativity.

 

I'm still ambivalent on Darvish. Yes, he'd give us a top of the rotation arm, but I suspect a lot of the prices on the 2nd tier guys will come down as guys try to get deals done, and I'm just wary of dumping the truck on Darvish, moreso on the years. I can live with 5 years, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's angling for some sort of way to get a 6th, if not 7th year. I think I could probably live with some sort of 6th year trigger (I wouldn't give a straight/clear 6th year), a la the Wei Yin Chen contract several years ago, with built in opt outs early in his tenure (basically, a copy of that Chen deal, but a lot more cash). I'm thinking it's going to be something like 6/125, with the contract front-loaded a bit in the first two years (say, he gets 50 mil in the first two), and he has an opt out after the 2nd year, with perhaps a trigger for the 6th year, and maybe even a trigger on a 7th year.

 

At this juncture, we might as well slow-play it and see how things turn out. For all the talk about collusion, and I wouldn't necessarily rule it out, but I tend to think a lot of this is just that sports has largely become a big, gigantic groupthink circle in some respects. At some point, the numbers will get to a point where someone jumps. It wouldn't surprise me if the Cubs were angling for some sort of stealth move as they wait for the FA market to move ...

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It makes perfect sense for a major market team to give him a 6 or 7 year offer. It keeps the AAV down, for LT purposes and you can litter it with opt outs, to where he may take another shot at FA anyway. And the back end of the deal will happen during the next CBA, which will likely see a dramatic jump up in the LT, if he doesn't opt out anyway.
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It makes perfect sense for a major market team to give him a 6 or 7 year offer. It keeps the AAV down, for LT purposes and you can litter it with opt outs, to where he may take another shot at FA anyway. And the back end of the deal will happen during the next CBA, which will likely see a dramatic jump up in the LT, if he doesn't opt out anyway.

7 years seems a little much but under the right deal (like 6/135-140 I could live with it if there’s opt outs and front load it with with like $30mil first 2-3 years) I’d be able to live with that. The AAV is a relative steal at that and with front loading it hopefully he pitches good enough in years 2-3 he opts out (after getting about 2/60-3/90) and you aren’t stuck with like 3/80 on the backside.

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It makes perfect sense for a major market team to give him a 6 or 7 year offer. It keeps the AAV down, for LT purposes and you can litter it with opt outs, to where he may take another shot at FA anyway. And the back end of the deal will happen during the next CBA, which will likely see a dramatic jump up in the LT, if he doesn't opt out anyway.

7 years seems a little much but under the right deal (like 6/135-140 I could live with it if there’s opt outs and front load it with with like $30mil first 2-3 years) I’d be able to live with that. The AAV is a relative steal at that and with front loading it hopefully he pitches good enough in years 2-3 he opts out (after getting about 2/60-3/90) and you aren’t stuck with like 3/80 on the backside.

 

Yeah, you'd want to structure it to where its enticing for him to opt out. 7 may be too many, but I'd be perfectly fine at 6.

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We're doing that thing again where we really underestimate how bad opt-outs are for the team and how good they are for the player.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but yeah, certainly opt outs tend to favor the player. I'm not too keen on long term deals with arms, and I doubt we're going to get another agent doing a deal like Wei-Yin Chen's type of opt out (IIRC, his contract was backloaded, so he had less incentive to opt out unless he had a monstrous first couple of years, which he clearly didn't).

 

I do think for arms that are in their prime years, opt outs are the basically the way to go, and that, for better or worse, if you want to land said arm, they'll probably get an opt out from someone. All that said, I tend to think the prices on some guys are going to come down, and if you can get Cobb at a reasonable 4 years to Darvish's potential contract (gotta think it's at least 5 and maybe up to 7), depending on the numbers, I might prefer Cobb.

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