Shark Signs w/ Giants - 5/$90M (Happy Derwood?)

[davell]

Oh noes! We'll go from being an expected 95 win team with plenty of assets to a 90 win team with plenty of assets.

[weis21]

I agree with Kyle that using the phrase "2 year window" is just dumb.

it's already been stated by the poster that it was Kaplan's phrase and not his

[UMFan83]

I agree with Kyle that using the phrase "2 year window" is just dumb.

When your best pitcher is 2 years away from free agency, and some of your core will start getting more expensive at the same time, it makes sense that there's a certain "window" for the iteration of this team. Having a 2 year "window" doesn't mean they'll immediately start rebuilding again.

 

If you look at the Blackhawks they've had multiple windows of contention despite having the same championship core over the last 8 seasons. At the same time that is a weird term to use, especially in a league that doesn't have a salary cap and a team that shouldn't have any issues spending at the same level as the top 5-7 teams in the league.

[SouthSideRyan]

At the same time that is a weird term to use, especially in a league that doesn't have a salary cap and a team that shouldn't have any issues spending at the same level as the top 5-7 teams in the league.

 

We don't know that.

[sneakypower]

probably meant we have a 2 year window to threaten most wins in a season record then we'll maybe regress to plain ol' mid-90 win seasons

[weis21]

maybe he was talking about replacing the windows in the FO offices within the next two years as part of the wrigley renovation plans

[Bull]

It's more of a portal to another dimension, but they definitely walk through it over the next two years.

[imb]

Says Cubs feel like they are in a 2 year window, citing Arrieta for two more years and want to be as well suited as possible for those seasons.

 

Pardon?

 

you [expletive] dumbass, it's easy to understand what this means unless you're intentionally trying to take it the wrong way which of course you are so long story short [expletive] off

 

Well that was a bit much. Holidays getting to you?

 

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[toonsterwu]

Sorry, been busy and haven't been keeping up. Just saw that Kaplan stuff. If that Kaplan stuff is true, it feels like they are trying to thread the needle and win now while building long term. If so, that's an ambitious goal, rather than trying to go all-in now.

 

The whole pitching front -

 

- The idea that Price might cost too much (years and/or length) isn't exactly earth-shattering. One of the concepts early this off-season was the idea that they may try to get 2 2nd tier guys. Lackey isn't exactly my favorite option from that bunch, but he's a solid starter with some history with this front office and is good friends with Lester (at least, I think Theo signed him in Boston ... ). I still prefer other options, and even then, I'd like to save some tiny amount of money for a gamble (if that Lincecum showcase in the spring looks intriguing, that'd be a fun gamble). 2 2nd tier guys would probably mean both at 4-5 year deals, not exactly short, but won't really tie your down too much.

 

- If they are in on Heyward, it's almost certainly either a short term deal or a player opt-out in the 3rd or 4th year. It works for us ... we can load the money up for him in the beginning without really impacting our ability to sign our kids long term). In fact, I'm almost giddy with the idea of just front-loading the deal and going for it now, and giving us flexibility long run.

 

- I do wonder about the moving Montero part. It's hard to, as a fan, be that confident that Contreras is ready to step in out of spring ... but maybe. I do wonder if they feel like moving Montero's salary is needed to achieve their goals.

 

- Of the three pitchers named, I would really only want to trade assets for Carrasco. If it's the other two, I'd rather spend on 2nd tier starters than trade young assets for them ... if possible. Easier said than done, but I'm still not terribly enthused about Miller or Teheran. Between Teheran and Miller, I think ... I think I prefer seeing what Bosio can do with Miller.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Says Cubs feel like they are in a 2 year window, citing Arrieta for two more years and want to be as well suited as possible for those seasons.

 

Pardon?

 

you [expletive] dumbass, it's easy to understand what this means unless you're intentionally trying to take it the wrong way which of course you are so long story short [expletive] off

 

Well that was a bit much. Holidays getting to you?

 

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Don't beat yourself up. It is a tough time for everyone.

[Lefty]

Does the Zimmerman contract blow up our assumptions on what Shark would sign for?

[Guest]

Does the Zimmerman contract blow up our assumptions on what Shark would sign for?

 

In what sense? He got a little bit less than expected and going to Detroit was a little bit of a head scratcher, but it was nothing earth shattering.

[Lefty]

Seems like a lot to me in a 7/210 world for David Price. Maybe I am too low on Price?

[Cubswin11]

I don't think the Zimmerman deal does a whole lot to Sharks market in terms of contract size. Zimmerman at 5/110 seems about right and makes shark at 4/65-5/85 seem reasonable

[rawaction]

I don't think the Zimmerman deal does a whole lot to Sharks market in terms of contract size. Zimmerman at 5/110 seems about right and makes shark at 4/65-5/85 seem reasonable

 

I think you're looking at 10 mil more either contract. 4/75 or 5/95. I wouldn't have a problem with either. Obviously would prefer the 4 years over 5.

[StylesClash]

If I'm Shark, and am confident in the teaching ability of Bosio, I would seriously consider taking a one year deal. Next years Free Agent Starting Pitching class will be incredibly weak. So if Shark can manage 200+ innings with an ERA around 3.40, he would easily be able to gain better offers than what he's likely to receive right now.

 

Shark signing a long term deal right now, while his value is fairly low, signals to me he doesn't have confidence in himself to regain his dominant form of 2014 (or even 2012).

[Thurman Merman]

If I'm Shark, and am confident in the teaching ability of Bosio, I would seriously consider taking a one year deal. Next years Free Agent Starting Pitching class will be incredibly weak. So if Shark can manage 200+ innings with an ERA around 3.40, he would easily be able to gain better offers than what he's likely to receive right now.

 

Shark signing a long term deal right now, while his value is fairly low, signals to me he doesn't have confidence in himself to regain his dominant form of 2014 (or even 2012).

 

No team is going to sign Shark to a one year deal due to the loss of a draft pick.

[Tryptamine]

If I'm Shark, and am confident in the teaching ability of Bosio, I would seriously consider taking a one year deal. Next years Free Agent Starting Pitching class will be incredibly weak. So if Shark can manage 200+ innings with an ERA around 3.40, he would easily be able to gain better offers than what he's likely to receive right now.

 

Shark signing a long term deal right now, while his value is fairly low, signals to me he doesn't have confidence in himself to regain his dominant form of 2014 (or even 2012).

 

No team is going to sign Shark to a one year deal due to the loss of a draft pick.

 

He's also another 2015 away from being a 3/36 guy.

[StylesClash]

If I'm Shark, and am confident in the teaching ability of Bosio, I would seriously consider taking a one year deal. Next years Free Agent Starting Pitching class will be incredibly weak. So if Shark can manage 200+ innings with an ERA around 3.40, he would easily be able to gain better offers than what he's likely to receive right now.

 

Shark signing a long term deal right now, while his value is fairly low, signals to me he doesn't have confidence in himself to regain his dominant form of 2014 (or even 2012).

 

No team is going to sign Shark to a one year deal due to the loss of a draft pick.

 

Even from a team with a protected first round pick? One year of potential dominance from Shark is worth a second round pick in my mind. Plus if Shark pitches well in 2016 he would reject the qualifying offer and you would receive a pick back for the 2017 draft (if he wasn't re-signed).

[Thurman Merman]

If I'm Shark, and am confident in the teaching ability of Bosio, I would seriously consider taking a one year deal. Next years Free Agent Starting Pitching class will be incredibly weak. So if Shark can manage 200+ innings with an ERA around 3.40, he would easily be able to gain better offers than what he's likely to receive right now.

 

Shark signing a long term deal right now, while his value is fairly low, signals to me he doesn't have confidence in himself to regain his dominant form of 2014 (or even 2012).

 

No team is going to sign Shark to a one year deal due to the loss of a draft pick.

 

Even from a team with a protected first round pick? One year of potential dominance from Shark is worth a second round pick in my mind. Plus if Shark pitches well in 2016 he would reject the qualifying offer and you would receive a pick back for the 2017 draft (if he wasn't re-signed).

 

I guess I shouldnt say no team. I think Ervin Santana signed a 1 year deal after rejecting a QO, as did Nelson Cruz, so there is some precedent.

[Guest]

@cubs fan dan

 

What the [expletive]!?

[Guest]

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/12/01/levine-second-tier-will-work-for-cubs-pitching-needs/

 

The consensus is that Jeff Samardzija, under the guidance of Cubs pitching coach and mentor Chris Bosio, could return to his old form. What would be expected would be a 200 inning 200 strikeout number three starter. Others who will be high on the Cubs’ free agent list are Mike Leake, Scott Kazmir and John Lackey.

 

Samardzija will not be afraid to move on if the Cubs don’t ante up. After the pitcher met with Epstein a few weeks ago, both sides have an understanding of their mutual interest in each other. With Price signing in Boston, Samardzija is back on the front burner for the Cubs.

 

True to his word, the Cubs have added bullpen pitchers that are on one year deals without impacting the dollars they need for starting pitching and a center fielder. Look for the Cubs to sign a quality starter, most likely before Sunday when the winter meetings begin to complicate signings and trades. Samardzija appears to be a top consideration.

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[Tryptamine]

I'm setting myself up for 2015 trade deadline disappointment.

[Vinestal]

I'm setting myself up for 2015 trade deadline disappointment.

Yup... Leake and Lacky and Denard Span... Yay... :(