What's your wish list for the trade deadline?

[sontensei]

lol typical of us cubs fans to overvalue prospects in the minors and undervalue a player on the sox.

 

out of any pitcher that could be traded for Chris Sale is the best one, thing is the cubs have to over pay to get him.

 

Personally I think its worth it. He would instantly be the best pitcher the cubs have had for years. and he is only 26!

 

that kinda talent is worth a guy with no position (schwarber) and some other guys.

I honestly can't tell if you like Chris Sale or not.

 

I honestly can't tell if he thinks nobody else knows Chris Sale is absurdly good and on a great contract.

 

i imagine you guys do, and the title of the thread is "WHATS YOUR WISH LIST FOR THE TRADE DEADLINE" and so i guess i cant wish . thanks [expletive].

 

In that case, sign me up for Sale, Archer, Stanton, Harper, and Trout. Oh, and I guess I'll take Cain while I'm here.

 

harper /archer are on contendors. trout/ stanton we dont need bats. sale his team sucks and the farm they have does too.. its a different thing when comparing the sox to the rest of these teams (aside from the marlins.)

[Guest]

Why wouldnt you guys trade for him? Do you think that its because the sox wouldnt ever do it? or you think the cubs couldnt get it done?

Or there is a lack of interest trading within the town?

 

I would love to have Chris Sale. I think there's approximately 0.01% chance the Sox trade him. In the event that they do trade him, It would take a different set of players than what you've listed here. It's very likely that the best player that comes back in a deal for Sale needs to be better/more valuable than Schwarber, which for the Cubs means Russell, maybe Baez or Castro if this trade happens in the offseason and they can rehab(physically in Baez's case) their value a bit. You can also throw Bryant in that category with Russell, but Bryant has an even less chance of getting traded than Sale.

[SCCubbieFAN]

How about a straight up trade with the Rockies, Castro for Tulowitzki? The Rockies are in last place and will be sellers. Tulowitzki is signed thru 2020 plus a mutual option for 2021. He turns 31 in October. He is OPsing .819 this year to Castro's .640. Rockies get a 25 year old SS to replace TT with a team friendly contract and shed payroll even if they agree to take on some of TT's remaining deal. Discuss. Edited June 24, 2015 by SCCubbieFAN

[George Hayduke]

trout/ stanton we dont need bats.

 

Not getting Trout or Stanton has nothing to do with not needing their bats. Every team always needs bats like that.

[sontensei]

Why wouldnt you guys trade for him? Do you think that its because the sox wouldnt ever do it? or you think the cubs couldnt get it done?

Or there is a lack of interest trading within the town?

 

I would love to have Chris Sale. I think there's approximately 0.01% chance the Sox trade him. In the event that they do trade him, It would take a different set of players than what you've listed here. It's very likely that the best player that comes back in a deal for Sale needs to be better/more valuable than Schwarber, which for the Cubs means Russell, maybe Baez or Castro if this trade happens in the offseason and they can rehab(physically in Baez's case) their value a bit. You can also throw Bryant in that category with Russell, but Bryant has an even less chance of getting traded than Sale.

 

aside from rizzo russell and bryant i'd give em what it takes.

[Guest]

from the other thread, but still appropriate here

 

It feels like it might be time for an intervention.

 

did you know chris sale is really good too?

 

i might make that my next thread

You seem unusually worked up about Sontensi's Chris Sale comments.

 

i'm not worked up. i just thought it was a hilarious sequence of posts trying to educate everybody on how good and valuable chris sale is.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why wouldnt you guys trade for him? Do you think that its because the sox wouldnt ever do it? or you think the cubs couldnt get it done?

Or there is a lack of interest trading within the town?

 

I would love to have Chris Sale. I think there's approximately 0.01% chance the Sox trade him. In the event that they do trade him, It would take a different set of players than what you've listed here. It's very likely that the best player that comes back in a deal for Sale needs to be better/more valuable than Schwarber, which for the Cubs means Russell, maybe Baez or Castro if this trade happens in the offseason and they can rehab(physically in Baez's case) their value a bit. You can also throw Bryant in that category with Russell, but Bryant has an even less chance of getting traded than Sale.

 

aside from rizzo russell and bryant i'd give em what it takes.

 

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[mul21]

Tolwinski

 

Tolwinski

[sweetpeteman]

How about a straight up trade with the Rockies, Castro for Tolwinski? The Rockies are in last place and will be sellers. Tolwinski is signed thru 2020 plus a mutual option for 2021. He turns 31 in October. He is OPsing .819 this year to Castro's .640. Rockies get a 25 year old SS to replace TT with a team friendly contract and shed payroll even if they agree to take on some of TT's remaining deal. Discuss.

 

 

No. While I would love to add a bat like Tulowitzki's, Tulowitzki has been injured too much in the past four years to be worth the risk of paying $98mil over the next 5. Tulowitzki would be worth trading some lesser prospects, but the risk of him missing significant amount of time is too high.

 

 

Tulowitzki, by the way, not whatever the hell you wrote.

[jersey cubs fan]

[downsr30]

Interesting thought: what about James Shields? Padres are crumbling right before our eyes after making some terrible offseason moves.. I doubt they'd want much to move him.

 

 

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[Sammy Sofa]

Tolwinski

 

Tolwinski

 

This is incredible.

 

Petition to make it SCCubbieFAN's status.

 

And I still smile every time I see "heathcliff slobumb."

[SCCubbieFAN]

How about a straight up trade with the Rockies, Castro for Tolwinski? The Rockies are in last place and will be sellers. Tolwinski is signed thru 2020 plus a mutual option for 2021. He turns 31 in October. He is OPsing .819 this year to Castro's .640. Rockies get a 25 year old SS to replace TT with a team friendly contract and shed payroll even if they agree to take on some of TT's remaining deal. Discuss.

 

 

No. While I would love to add a bat like Tulowitzki's, Tulowitzki has been injured too much in the past four years to be worth the risk of paying $98mil over the next 5. Tulowitzki would be worth trading some lesser prospects, but the risk of him missing significant amount of time is too high.

 

 

Tulowitzki, by the way, not whatever the hell you wrote.

 

 

Fixed

[Guest]

Interesting thought: what about James Shields? Padres are crumbling right before our eyes after making some terrible offseason moves.. I doubt they'd want much to move him.

 

 

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Shields has only been ever so slightly better than Wada so far this year. ROS he's a better bet of course, but in general I'm very hesitant to go after guys who 1) are post-prime 2) signed to long term expensive deals 3) require non-trivial players sent in return 4) don't have extreme high end upside/history. I've used this argument in the past w/r/t Hamels, but it applies even more to Shields.

[Guest]

An interesting buy low candidate might be Ian Kennedy. All his numbers are right in line with his career norms (which are pretty good but not elite) except for HR/FB. That number is an astounding 22.2% and should regress to the mean in the second half. He's on a one year contract and should be obtainable at a low prospect cost if we pick up the contract.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Why wouldnt you guys trade for him? Do you think that its because the sox wouldnt ever do it? or you think the cubs couldnt get it done?

Or there is a lack of interest trading within the town?

 

I would love to have Chris Sale. I think there's approximately 0.01% chance the Sox trade him. In the event that they do trade him, It would take a different set of players than what you've listed here. It's very likely that the best player that comes back in a deal for Sale needs to be better/more valuable than Schwarber, which for the Cubs means Russell, maybe Baez or Castro if this trade happens in the offseason and they can rehab(physically in Baez's case) their value a bit. You can also throw Bryant in that category with Russell, but Bryant has an even less chance of getting traded than Sale.

 

aside from rizzo russell and bryant i'd give em what it takes.

 

That's like saying I want a Lamborghini. Aside from money, I'd give em whatever it takes.

[downsr30]

The thing about the Cubs front office is that they have shown they aren't into trading prospects for rentals. They have shown willingness to sign rentals and flip them for prospects. I think if and when the Cubs make a move whether it be for a hitter or pitcher, it'll be a move that helps us this year and beyond unless the asking price for what we received in return was nothing in regards to prospects. This would take some of those key options off the table. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cubs go after Red Sox pieces. A guy like Buchholz makes a lot of sense considering Theo was at the helm when he was drafted. Wade Miley might be another option after his previous success in the NL. While these aren't exactly sexy options, they wouldn't be too taxing on the farm system and a guy like Buchholz still has a lot of upside.

 

 

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[Little Slide Rooter]

One thing to take into consideration before we go window shopping is that if the trade deadline were tomorrow, the only clear cut sellers would be the Phillies and Brewers. There's the Marlin's but other than the quietly resurgent Dan Haren, the ghost of Ichiro Suzuki, and the injured Morse and Parra, the rest of their team are the guys that they'll want to build around.

 

Other than that, there are a lot of teams that are within range of that of a WC ticket. Even the A's have crept within 7. Obviously a lot can happen between not and the end of July, but at this moment, it's a sellers market. Big time.

[SouthSideRyan]

An interesting buy low candidate might be Ian Kennedy. All his numbers are right in line with his career norms (which are pretty good but not elite) except for HR/FB. That number is an astounding 22.2% and should regress to the mean in the second half. He's on a one year contract and should be obtainable at a low prospect cost if we pick up the contract.

 

For Iowa?

[SouthSideRyan]

The thing about the Cubs front office is that they have shown they aren't into trading prospects for rentals. They have shown willingness to sign rentals and flip them for prospects. I think if and when the Cubs make a move whether it be for a hitter or pitcher, it'll be a move that helps us this year and beyond unless the asking price for what we received in return was nothing in regards to prospects. This would take some of those key options off the table. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cubs go after Red Sox pieces. A guy like Buchholz makes a lot of sense considering Theo was at the helm when he was drafted. Wade Miley might be another option after his previous success in the NL. While these aren't exactly sexy options, they wouldn't be too taxing on the farm system and a guy like Buchholz still has a lot of upside.

 

 

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The Cubs FO has overseen 3 deadlines where the team was awful. Reading anything into their desires based on their actions those 3 years seems pretty silly.

[Sammy Sofa]

The thing about the Cubs front office is that they have shown they aren't into trading prospects for rentals. They have shown willingness to sign rentals and flip them for prospects. I think if and when the Cubs make a move whether it be for a hitter or pitcher, it'll be a move that helps us this year and beyond unless the asking price for what we received in return was nothing in regards to prospects. This would take some of those key options off the table. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cubs go after Red Sox pieces. A guy like Buchholz makes a lot of sense considering Theo was at the helm when he was drafted. Wade Miley might be another option after his previous success in the NL. While these aren't exactly sexy options, they wouldn't be too taxing on the farm system and a guy like Buchholz still has a lot of upside.

 

 

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The Cubs FO has overseen 3 deadlines where the team was awful. Reading anything into their desires based on their actions those 3 years seems pretty silly.

 

Yeah, no kidding; of course they didn't trade for potential rentals when they were terrible. Teams are only going to do that if they think the short term return can push them over the top. Oh, rowzdownr.

[davell]

Obviously, they'd prefer trading for a guy with team control, but if the prices are unrealistic, I doubt they'd take issue with adding a rental......

 

I keep trying to think of teams that have younger, team controlled guys, that are possible sellers... ....

 

Cleveland with Bauer, Salazar, or Kluber? Atlanta with Miller, Teheran, or Wood?

 

The only teams I think could wind up selling are Boston, Cleveland, White Sox, Oakland, and possibly Seattle in the AL. With Philly, Atlanta, Cincy, Milwaukee, SD, and Colorado in the NL.

 

We've talked about Gray, Buccholz has been mentioned. Ross has been mentioned, as has Shields. If the White Sox would deal with us, Quintana is an option(just don't see it though). I'm guessing Theo checks in on Felix every season, since he's got a well documented love affair with him. I guess the Mets could deal from their excess, Baltimore could deal Gausman....

 

At any rate, there just aren't many realistic long term options. I'll be a bit surprised if we get a long term guy before the offseason.

[Guest]

The thing about the Cubs front office is that they have shown they aren't into trading prospects for rentals. They have shown willingness to sign rentals and flip them for prospects. I think if and when the Cubs make a move whether it be for a hitter or pitcher, it'll be a move that helps us this year and beyond unless the asking price for what we received in return was nothing in regards to prospects. This would take some of those key options off the table. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cubs go after Red Sox pieces. A guy like Buchholz makes a lot of sense considering Theo was at the helm when he was drafted. Wade Miley might be another option after his previous success in the NL. While these aren't exactly sexy options, they wouldn't be too taxing on the farm system and a guy like Buchholz still has a lot of upside.

 

 

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The Cubs FO has overseen 3 deadlines where the team was awful. Reading anything into their desires based on their actions those 3 years seems pretty silly.

 

Yeah, no kidding; of course they didn't trade for potential rentals when they were terrible. Teams are only going to do that if they think the short term return can push them over the top. Oh, rowzdownr.

 

also they've openly talked about building a deep farm system to use prospects as trade currency

[Little Slide Rooter]

also they've openly talked about building a deep farm system to use prospects as trade currency

 

A system that can afford to use prospects as currency. Big difference.

 

But yes, the 2012-2014 playing seasons served 2 purposes:

 

1. Spinning short term assetsinto long term assets prospects: Shark, Garza, Hamel, Soriano, Dempster, Maholm, Hairston, Feldman, Soto, Valbuena, Reed Johnson, became Addison Russell, Jake Arrieta, Kyle Hendricks, Pedro Strop, Neil Ramirez, CJ Edwards, Billy McKinney, Christian Villanueva, Mike Olt, Arodys Vizcaino, Corey Black, Ivan Pineyro, and Victor Caratini.

 

2. Auditioning former players and prospects who were still young enough for a glimmer of hope and our own prospects who otherwise wouldn't be given a look in the big leagues who could play a roll in our own future: Valbuena, Coghlan, Ruggiano, Borbon, Watkins, Vitters, Jackson, Sweeney, Cardenas, LaHair, Volstad, Wada, and just about anyone who'd ever appeared on a Red Sox Top 10 list.

 

In short. A lot of [expletive] was flung at the walls and ceiling; and a pretty good amount stuck.

[Sammy Sofa]

Great addition to a conversation nobody was having.