Lilly & Theriot to the Dodgers for DeWitt, 2 Minor Leaguers

[PackLandVA]

Prado is out 4-6 weeks with a broken knuckle. Anyone think the Braves would be interested in Fontenot?

Prado is out a week to 10 days, not 4 to 6 weeks.

 

So I was off by a month....stop nitpickin'!

[BCVM22]

So is he a Los Angeles Riot now?

[CubsInNC]

So is he a Los Angeles Riot now?

 

 

No, because this time it's the abercrombie white kids who are up in arms over this. Just wait though, next year, he'll be one, when he's hitting .240, and OBP of .245, leading off for that lineup. Imagine, a season, where you intentionally walk a pitcher, to get to that next hitter.

[JonJayCutler]

Sounds like a decent trade. I don't think we could have realistically expected someone like Sands in a deal for Ted Lilly and Ryan Theriot. I think I would have liked Ely instead of Wallach and Smit, but it's fine.

 

At first I thought I would have preferred sending Theriot and Russell to the D-Backs for Johnson but it sounds like Dewitt has better defense and is four years younger with more upside. We'll see if Rudy can work some magic on him.

 

I feel pretty good about it right now considering Jim has recently come out on top with the DeRosa trade, Bradley trade, and Gorzelanny trade.

[ScrubMD]

Sounds like a decent trade. I don't think we could have realistically expected someone like Sands in a deal for Ted Lilly and Ryan Theriot. I think I would have liked Ely instead of Wallach and Smit, but it's fine.

 

At first I thought I would have preferred sending Theriot and Russell to the D-Backs for Johnson but it sounds like Dewitt has better defense and is four years younger with more upside. We'll see if Rudy can work some magic on him.

 

I feel pretty good about it right now considering Jim has recently come out on top with the DeRosa trade, Bradley trade, and Gorzelanny trade.

 

I'm not sure about Dewitt having more upside. When Johnson was Dewitt's age he had an OPS of .831. He has much more upside than Theriot, but unless his offense improves, he basically is Theriot.

[Outshined_One]

I'm not sure about Dewitt having more upside. When Johnson was Dewitt's age he had an OPS of .831. He has much more upside than Theriot, but unless his offense improves, he basically is Theriot.

 

Yeah, but you can get plus defense from DeWitt at 3B, which is more than you can say about Theriot at any position.

[Rob]

Okay, the Dodgers gave up Andrew Lambo and James McDonald for Octavio Dotel.

 

Now this deal sucks.

[Outshined_One]

Okay, the Dodgers gave up Andrew Lambo and James McDonald for Octavio Dotel.

 

Now this deal sucks.

 

Lambo already has two drug-related suspensions under his belt. One more and he's out.

[davell]

There's a chance its some dude named Marty Lamb and not Lambo.

[Outshined_One]

There's a chance its some dude named Marty Lamb and not Lambo.

 

Marty Lamb's an area scout for the Dodgers. It'd be hilarious if they traded one of their scouts for Dotel.

[UMFan83]

The only thing that makes me "meh" on the trade is that we had to give up 2.5 mil to get the return we did. I feel like we should have gotten a better return if we had to pay that much of Lilly's salary but what do I know.

[CubsInNC]

The only thing that makes me "meh" on the trade is that we had to give up 2.5 mil to get the return we did. I feel like we should have gotten a better return if we had to pay that much of Lilly's salary but what do I know.

 

 

But some of that money was to sabotage their run and make Theriot a starter.

[davell]

There's a chance its some dude named Marty Lamb and not Lambo.

 

Marty Lamb's an area scout for the Dodgers. It'd be hilarious if they traded one of their scouts for Dotel.

 

 

:lol: Oh man, I was on that Dodger site you linked earlier and had no clue the dude was a scout......

 

 

As it stands, Lambo included in this deal could be a ridiculously good deal for the Pirates. On the other hand, he could be out of baseball next week too.

[Rob]

Okay, the Dodgers gave up Andrew Lambo and James McDonald for Octavio Dotel.

 

Now this deal sucks.

 

Lambo already has two drug-related suspensions under his belt. One more and he's out.

 

I did not realize drugs of abuse had the same penalty structure as PEDs.

 

Nevermind.

[Clem Fandango]

Okay, the Dodgers gave up Andrew Lambo and James McDonald for Octavio Dotel.

 

Now this deal sucks.

 

Lambo already has two drug-related suspensions under his belt. One more and he's out.

 

I did not realize drugs of abuse had the same penalty structure as PEDs.

 

Nevermind.

 

I didn't realize Lambo had those offenses on his baseball record either. I suppose its a gamble then

[Outshined_One]

Okay, the Dodgers gave up Andrew Lambo and James McDonald for Octavio Dotel.

 

Now this deal sucks.

 

Lambo already has two drug-related suspensions under his belt. One more and he's out.

 

I did not realize drugs of abuse had the same penalty structure as PEDs.

 

Nevermind.

 

My initial statement was incorrect, although drugs of abuse can have the same penalties.

 

Apparently Lambo's 50 game suspension was a result of Lambo's second failed drug test (although, rumor has it he failed more) for a drug of abuse. MLB's Drug Policy isn't exactly clear how MLB deals with drugs of abuse when players test positive. Jeremy Jeffress was slapped with a 50 game suspension a few years ago for testing positive for marijuana, then got smacked with a 100 game suspension when he tested positive again, which is comparable to the PED penalty structure. However, Jeffress, according to some reports, had failed a number of drug tests for marijuana prior to his 50 game suspension. Assuming Lambo is officially on Strike 1, he'll get a 100 game suspension next time he fails.

 

So, you can definitely get the heave-ho in MLB for testing positive for recreational drugs too many times.

[illiniguy]

Okay, the Dodgers gave up Andrew Lambo and James McDonald for Octavio Dotel.

 

Now this deal sucks.

 

Lambo already has two drug-related suspensions under his belt. One more and he's out.

 

I did not realize drugs of abuse had the same penalty structure as PEDs.

 

Nevermind.

 

I didn't realize Lambo had those offenses on his baseball record either. I suppose its a gamble then

He also was in trouble in high school for using the kind bud. I think like the Brewers pitcher, he might not be worth the gamble.

[Outshined_One]

Callis' take on the Lilly trade.

[UMFan83]

From Phil Rogers:

 

The Cubs probably would not have received anything if Lilly left as a free agent after the season as they were not likely to offer salary arbitration -- a condition of vesting for draft-choice compensation.

[illiniguy]

From Phil Rogers:

 

The Cubs probably would not have received anything if Lilly left as a free agent after the season as they were not likely to offer salary arbitration -- a condition of vesting for draft-choice compensation.

Does Hendry not understand how this process works?

[Outshined_One]

From Phil Rogers:

 

The Cubs probably would not have received anything if Lilly left as a free agent after the season as they were not likely to offer salary arbitration -- a condition of vesting for draft-choice compensation.

Does Hendry not understand how this process works?

 

Apparently not. As was discussed earlier in the thread, the Cubs have not received compensation for losing a Type A free agent since Jim Hendry took over as GM. The Cubs haven't lost a whole lot of Type A guys to free agency during his tenure, but it's still kind of telling in terms of how Hendry handles these matters.

[RynoRules]

I hope this means that Fontenot is going to be traded as well. We might as well clear out the redundancy and the veterans whose ceilings have been met and wh won't be under team control much longer (if at all). Trading Theriot was a good start.

 

Since DeWitt is a natural 3B, is there any concern that he could be thought of as a backfill for ARam?

[CincyCubsFan]

For a team that was supposed to be sellers, surprised we couldn't find any takers for Fontenot, Baker, or Nady. I guess there's always a waiver deal.

[imb]

From Phil Rogers:

 

The Cubs probably would not have received anything if Lilly left as a free agent after the season as they were not likely to offer salary arbitration -- a condition of vesting for draft-choice compensation.

Does Hendry not understand how this process works?

 

is there something i'm missing here? i really feel like i just must not understand the process very well, cause offering him arbitration kind of seems like a no-brainer

[Little Slide Rooter]

From Phil Rogers:

 

The Cubs probably would not have received anything if Lilly left as a free agent after the season as they were not likely to offer salary arbitration -- a condition of vesting for draft-choice compensation.

Does Hendry not understand how this process works?

 

is there something i'm missing here? i really feel like i just must not understand the process very well, cause offering him arbitration kind of seems like a no-brainer

 

The only time when it makes sense to offer arby is if you really dont want the player back, and feel they may accept it and your stuck with him. I could understand with Lee, but with Lilly, whether he loves Chicago or not, hes 36 years old with a weak FA market, and this will be his last chance to land a 2-3 year deal, so I cant see him accepting arby for 1 year.