Lilly & Theriot to the Dodgers for DeWitt, 2 Minor Leaguers

[Guest]

I'm not sure what took so long but I like this trade. I wasn't as down on Theriot as some, but DeWitt is younger and with more upside. I'm not so sure the minor league pitchers have much value, but I think the trade was pretty fair for renting Lilly for a few months.

 

I still think Hendry is a terrible GM.

[Little Slide Rooter]

THERIOT ALWAYS GOT ON BASE NO MATTER WHAT

 

what a comment.

 

Its true. Unless he was striking out on 3 pitches or weakly grounding the 1st pitch to the second baseman, which was most of the time. But other than that, THERIOT ALWAYS GOT ON BASE NO MATTER WHAT

[erik316wttn]

Sleeping on it, I like this trade. The Cubs have a good track record of developing pitchers, and if Larry is still around once/if these kids make the majors, he can do some good things with them.

 

I especially like that Wallach kid. Any pitcher than can consistently throw 3 pitches for strikes has the potential to be very, very good.

[rawaction]

Sleeping on it, I like this trade. The Cubs have a good track record of developing pitchers, and if Larry is still around once/if these kids make the majors, he can do some good things with them.

 

I especially like that Wallach kid. Any pitcher than can consistently throw 3 pitches for strikes has the potential to be very, very good.

 

I like Wallach also. He's the centerpiece to me. He works on building strength, and I think he tops out as a guy w/ a 93-95mph fastball, a plus slider, and changeup. This is also his first full year focusing on just pitching, as he was a 2-way player in JC.

 

Fastball: Wallach threw his fastball in the 88-92 mph range in this outing.

Fastball movement: It's good, but not outstanding. He's got some arm-side, two-seam life.

Slider: He throws it 78-83 mph and it has the chance to be a plus pitch.

Changeup: It's solid-average, 79-81 mph, and he's got a good feel for it.

Control: Average now, but projects as plus as he focuses on pitching full-time.

Poise: He's outsanding on the mound -- polished and mature.

Physical Description: Wallach has a good pitcher's body, with a high waist, broad shoulders and long, gangly levers.

Medical Update: Healthy.

Strengths: He's got an effortless delivery and easy motion; the ball comes naturally out of his hand. He seemed to improve every time he was on the mound.

Weaknesses: He hasn't consistently done it at a higher level, so there's not as much track record to go on.

Summary: Wallach is the son of former big-leaguer Tim Wallach and the bloodlines certainly won't hurt. Neither will his performance on the mound as he led Orange Coast JC to the California state title. He got better each time out, with a free-and-easy delivery and the chance to throw three pitches that grade out as average or better. A two-way player in junior college, he could take off even more when he's focusing on pitching only. There was plenty of heat on him as his season wore on and he could hear his name called on that first night of the Draft.

[rawaction]

Wow. Baseball America has Wallach at 6'2", 185lbs. Minor League Baseball.com has him at 6'5", 205lbs. HUGE difference.

[Backtobanks]

Wow. Baseball America has Wallach at 6'2", 185lbs. Minor League Baseball.com has him at 6'5", 205lbs. HUGE difference.

 

One weighed him with his clothes/shoes and the other weighed him without. =D>

[Guest]

Yeah - he only pitched twice in high school and did double duty in JC. The success he's had as a full time pitcher this season is a great sign.

[Post Count Padder]

Rotoworld graded the deal:

 

Dodgers send 2B Blake DeWitt, RHP Brett Wallach, and RHP Kyle Smit to Cubs for LHP Ted Lilly, SS/2B Ryan Theriot, and $2.5M

 

DeWitt is under team control through 2014 and should hold down the fort at 2B for the Cubs. I'm a big fan of the pickup. Wallach has #3 starter potential and Smit could become a decent bullpen arm. Meanwhile the Dodgers, Giants, and Rockies should push the Friars deep into the season, making the NL West the most interesting division in baseball. Lilly and Theriot will both contribute to this season's push, though it remains to be seen if the team offers projected Type A Lilly arbitration (all signs right now point to no). Both teams got what they needed, with the Cubs stocking up nicely for the future.

 

Dodgers: B+

Cubs: A-

[jb10194]

I can't believe this trade. Ryan Theriot was the best player on the team. He always gave it 150%. Sure he wasn't a long ball hitter but usually he got on base. Then send your big guns in to move him. The team is the worst I've ever seen. Why didn't you trade Soriano, he trotts outfield like a deer & really doesn't give it his all. He has a major attitude problem to. Then keeping the new short stop is crazy to. Sp what he had a great 1st game but how many errors has he made which costed how many runs??? I think I could do better!!!!! The players have lost all the fun that comes with the games to. Ar the new owners that clueless???? If your going to clean house, what about management??????

 

Are all baseball fans this stupid? Or just Cubs fans? People are comparing this deal to the Lou Brock and Greg Maddux trades. It just doesn't compare.

[Guest]

I can't believe this trade. Ryan Theriot was the best player on the team. He always gave it 150%. Sure he wasn't a long ball hitter but usually he got on base. Then send your big guns in to move him. The team is the worst I've ever seen. Why didn't you trade Soriano, he trotts outfield like a deer & really doesn't give it his all. He has a major attitude problem to. Then keeping the new short stop is crazy to. Sp what he had a great 1st game but how many errors has he made which costed how many runs??? I think I could do better!!!!! The players have lost all the fun that comes with the games to. Ar the new owners that clueless???? If your going to clean house, what about management??????

 

Are all baseball fans this stupid? Or just Cubs fans? People are comparing this deal to the Lou Brock and Greg Maddux trades. It just doesn't compare.

 

To combat that, I love this comment from True Blue LA (I know it's been posted but I loved it a lot):

 

In 3 years blake dewitt will be hitting 300 for the cubs, lilly will be pitching for the yankees, theriot hitting on high school girls at a mall in encino trying to lure them into his camaro, and the starting 2B for the don mattingly-managed la dodgers – juan uribe.

[dew1679666265]

I can't believe this trade. Ryan Theriot was the best player on the team. He always gave it 150%. Sure he wasn't a long ball hitter but usually he got on base. Then send your big guns in to move him. The team is the worst I've ever seen. Why didn't you trade Soriano, he trotts outfield like a deer & really doesn't give it his all. He has a major attitude problem to. Then keeping the new short stop is crazy to. Sp what he had a great 1st game but how many errors has he made which costed how many runs??? I think I could do better!!!!! The players have lost all the fun that comes with the games to. Ar the new owners that clueless???? If your going to clean house, what about management??????

 

Are all baseball fans this stupid? Or just Cubs fans? People are comparing this deal to the Lou Brock and Greg Maddux trades. It just doesn't compare.

 

Every organization has those fans.

[SouthSideRyan]

Most fans are that stupid.

[Sammy Sofa]

Soriano trotting around the outfield like a deer is a beautiful image.

[mike2482]

I can't stop checking facebook to see what some of these people have to say. We could probably have a thread of them and it would be my most viewed thread on this board.

[TruffleShuffle]

i still don't get the not offering lilly arbitration thing. if you offer arbitration, aren't you required to offer something like 80% of the previous year's salary? so neither the cubs nor the dodgers would offer lilly $9.6 million for one year? if he takes it (unlikely) then you've got a good pitcher for a reasonable price. if not then you get draft picks.

[UMFan83]

I can't believe this trade. Ryan Theriot was the best player on the team. He always gave it 150%. Sure he wasn't a long ball hitter but usually he got on base. Then send your big guns in to move him. The team is the worst I've ever seen. Why didn't you trade Soriano, he trotts outfield like a deer & really doesn't give it his all. He has a major attitude problem to. Then keeping the new short stop is crazy to. Sp what he had a great 1st game but how many errors has he made which costed how many runs??? I think I could do better!!!!! The players have lost all the fun that comes with the games to. Ar the new owners that clueless???? If your going to clean house, what about management??????

 

Are all baseball fans this stupid? Or just Cubs fans? People are comparing this deal to the Lou Brock and Greg Maddux trades. It just doesn't compare.

 

That is beyond ridiculous. Are you sure that's not a fake FB account? I doubt that anyone could be that dumb.

[SouthSideRyan]

i still don't get the not offering lilly arbitration thing. if you offer arbitration, aren't you required to offer something like 80% of the previous year's salary? so neither the cubs nor the dodgers would offer lilly $9.6 million for one year? if he takes it (unlikely) then you've got a good pitcher for a reasonable price. if not then you get draft picks.

 

Lilly would win arbitration if the team offered 9.6M, and then the team has Lilly for 15M for one year, which isn't bad, but if you don't have it in your budget to drop 15M on a pitcher, it really messes things up.

[questionmarkgrace]

Lilly was a good player for the cubs and one who actually held up to his contracts worth. but we werent signing him nor risking arbitration next year. Theriot was a good story and is a guy who gets the most out of his lesser talents. But he was incredibly inconsistent at times a mediocre fielder and just plain hard too watch as he swung at the first pitch for the first two months of the year.

 

I'm happy to get some potential back for these guys. I dont think that DeWitt will pan out in the end but if he does icing on the cake, but wallach seems to be a solid get.

[SouthSideRyan]

Theriot was a good story and is a guy who gets the most out of his lesser talents.

 

Just because he was a short white guy doesn't mean he had lesser talents and got the most out of what he had.

 

You risk arbitration with Lilly because he's going to be 35 and this is his last shot at a multi-year deal. He's not taking a 1 year contract to add more wear on his arm, and be another year older as he looks for one last payday.

[TruffleShuffle]

Theriot was a good story and is a guy who gets the most out of his lesser talents.

 

Just because he was a short white guy doesn't mean he had lesser talents and got the most out of what he had.

 

i don't know if he got the most out of what he had, but he certainly had lesser talents.

[Careless]

i still don't get the not offering lilly arbitration thing. if you offer arbitration, aren't you required to offer something like 80% of the previous year's salary? so neither the cubs nor the dodgers would offer lilly $9.6 million for one year? if he takes it (unlikely) then you've got a good pitcher for a reasonable price. if not then you get draft picks.

 

Lilly would win arbitration if the team offered 9.6M, and then the team has Lilly for 15M for one year, which isn't bad, but if you don't have it in your budget to drop 15M on a pitcher, it really messes things up.

Above average 34 year old starting pitchers with decent health histories don't take a lot of 1 year contracts

[Guancous]

I can't believe this trade. Ryan Theriot was the best player on the team. He always gave it 150%. Sure he wasn't a long ball hitter but usually he got on base. Then send your big guns in to move him. The team is the worst I've ever seen. Why didn't you trade Soriano, he trotts outfield like a deer & really doesn't give it his all. He has a major attitude problem to. Then keeping the new short stop is crazy to. Sp what he had a great 1st game but how many errors has he made which costed how many runs??? I think I could do better!!!!! The players have lost all the fun that comes with the games to. Ar the new owners that clueless???? If your going to clean house, what about management??????

 

Are all baseball fans this stupid? Or just Cubs fans? People are comparing this deal to the Lou Brock and Greg Maddux trades. It just doesn't compare.

 

That guy said he was a better defensive shortstop than Starlin Castro.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The idiotic Cubs fans who are outraged about Theriot being traded remind me of the idiotic White Sox fans after 2005 who were outraged about trading away their gritty white boy Aaron Rowand.

[Sammy Sofa]

i still don't get the not offering lilly arbitration thing. if you offer arbitration, aren't you required to offer something like 80% of the previous year's salary? so neither the cubs nor the dodgers would offer lilly $9.6 million for one year? if he takes it (unlikely) then you've got a good pitcher for a reasonable price. if not then you get draft picks.

 

Lilly would win arbitration if the team offered 9.6M, and then the team has Lilly for 15M for one year, which isn't bad, but if you don't have it in your budget to drop 15M on a pitcher, it really messes things up.

Above average 34 year old starting pitchers with decent health histories don't take a lot of 1 year contracts

 

True, but he's not getting anywhere near $15 million a year anywhere else at his age.

[Derwood]

The idiotic Cubs fans who are outraged about Theriot being traded remind me of the idiotic White Sox fans after 2005 who were outraged about trading away their gritty white boy Aaron Rowand.

 

Or Cardinal fans who were suicidal about losing David Eckstein