Granderson to Yankees in 3-way trade? p. 20

[utkcub]

per MLBTR, get him JIm

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/curtis-granderson-becomes-available.html

Edited December 3, 2009 by utkcub

[Tryptamine]

I would love this pickup, but I suspect the asking price is going to be excessive for what he provides.

[KingCubsFan]

I'd love to get him. I'd give up Vitters, but I don't think I'd give up Castro.

[Sever82]

Curtis Grandersno would be a nice pickup but i dont know if i would offer top prospects for him. I wonder what kind of package they would ask for, the prospects i would include in the deal would be castro, vitters and cashner. Other than that, i would say do it.

[Guancous]

Fangraphs gives Granderson a $15.2 million dollar value for 2009. That includes the fact that he's worthless against lefties. A platoon partner would be needed and we'd have to probably eat most of Bradley's contract. I'd prefer this to Burrell but not as much as acquiring a top OF prospect.

 

Hendry deserves an extension if he can get a Nolan Riemold, let alone McCutchen, type player in the Bradley deal. I'd be happy to get a free Eric Karros and Grudz at this point.

[Sever82]

Fangraphs gives Granderson a $15.2 million dollar value for 2009. That includes the fact that he's worthless against lefties. A platoon partner would be needed and we'd have to probably eat most of Bradley's contract. I'd prefer this to Burrell but not as much as acquiring a top OF prospect.

 

Hendry deserves an extension if he can get a Nolan Riemold, let alone McCutchen, type player in the Bradley deal. I'd be happy to get a free Eric Karros and Grudz at this point.

 

I actually would be happy if Hendry traded Bradley for Granderson in some type of deal. Adding granderson would eliminate two holes that we have coming into the offseason, a leadoff hitter and a Centerfielder.

[Sever82]

Cubs must go after Granderson

November 11, 2009 2:16 PM | 1 Comment

By Phil Rogers

 

The New York Post's Joel Sherman is reporting that the Tigers are shopping Curtis Granderson. That would be crazy, given Granderson's impact on and off the field, but could be true with Detroit forced to consider ways to cut a payroll that no longer fits the franchise's financial picture, in part bloated by the presence of Miguel Cabrera and Magglio Ordonez.

 

Granderson, 28, is a product of Thornton Fractional South and the University of Illinois-Chicago. He's also a terrific center fielder and the type of hitter who can help in the leadoff spot or the middle of the order. He's got only $25.75 million on his contract for three years, not including a $13-million option for 2013.

 

In short, he's the perfect player for a Chicago team.

There's no way that the Tigers would be willing to trade him to a division rival, so the White Sox are out of the question. The Cubs should do absolutely everything to get him, if he is available. There's no debate about this.

 

Starlin Castro has an unbelievable future as the Cubs' shortstop. Carlos Marmol is a very valuable pitcher as a guy with less than two years' service time and the mindset and repertoire of an elite closer. Granderson is such a perfect guy for the Cubs that they should be willing to deal those guys to get him. That's the viewpoint here, anyway. It will be interesting to see what the Tigers say about the NY Post report.

 

Are they hurting so bad they would trade one of the best guys in the game?

 

 

 

 

Wow someone needs to tell phil rogers to STFU. Are you serious, givine up both Marmol and Castro for Granderson? Hendry better not do something to that affect.

[Keener98]

Id build a package around Marmol in a heartbeat, but I wouldnt include Castro.

 

And wow is he absolutely horrible vs left hand pitching. A sub 500 OPS wow.

[jersey cubs fan]

I would be more than happy to trade Marmol. And I'd deal Castro without hesitation, but it would have to be in a deal for a much better player than a platoon CF.

 

The only thing worse than Phil Rogers articles is hearing his mushmouth speak.

[Sever82]

Id build a package around Marmol in a heartbeat, but I wouldnt include Castro.

 

And wow is he absolutely horrible vs left hand pitching. A sub 500 OPS wow.

 

If the Cubs gave up marmol, i wouldn't give up much after that. I definitely would not include Marmol and a top prospect for Granderson. Marmol is cheap and has a lot of upside and no doubt has some of the best stuff in the majors hands down. If they did trade marmol, i wouldn't mind them trading marmol and then flipping bradley for Wood. But yeah, no way would I include Vitters or Castro in any trade.

[Keener98]

Id build a package around Marmol in a heartbeat, but I wouldnt include Castro.

 

And wow is he absolutely horrible vs left hand pitching. A sub 500 OPS wow.

 

If the Cubs gave up marmol, i wouldn't give up much after that. I definitely would not include Marmol and a top prospect for Granderson. Marmol is cheap and has a lot of upside and no doubt has some of the best stuff in the majors hands down. If they did trade marmol, i wouldn't mind them trading marmol and then flipping bradley for Wood. But yeah, no way would I include Vitters or Castro in any trade.

 

Yea when I said "package" I meant a couple minor league filler guys at most. Marmol does have tremendous upside, but hes also got a good chance of blowing out his arm sometime soon. Id be perfectly fine selling high with Marmol right now.

[RedFlash]

If the Cubs gave up marmol, i wouldn't give up much after that. I definitely would not include Marmol and a top prospect for Granderson. Marmol is cheap and has a lot of upside and no doubt has some of the best stuff in the majors hands down. If they did trade marmol, i wouldn't mind them trading marmol and then flipping bradley for Wood. But yeah, no way would I include Vitters or Castro in any trade.

 

If by Wood you mean Kerry, then there is no chance----what's lower then no chance?---of Bradley going back to Cleveland, period.

[Sever82]

I would be more than happy to trade Marmol. And I'd deal Castro without hesitation, but it would have to be in a deal for a much better player than a platoon CF.

 

The only thing worse than Phil Rogers articles is hearing his mushmouth speak.

 

I'd deal Castro in a deal if it brought back Miguel Cabrera in somehow. Hendry works in extremes though, if the cubs did acquire Granderson, i wouldn't be surprise if A) he overpaid for him with prospects and included Castro or B) Used lower end prospects or at least prospects not as highly regarded. With the way Ricketts talked about building the roster from within and building the farm system, I doubt he lets hendry trade one of the cubs top prospect for a player like Granderson.

[OleMissCub]

dear god please!!!!!!!

 

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[utkcub]

all of you who are willing to give up castro in a deal for granderson are crazy, if we're going to give up any top prospect give them vitters or cashner

[A-Cal]

castro or vitters for granderson would be awful

[RedFlash]

I am prepare to offer the Tigers: Austin Jackson, Gordon Beckham, and Colby Rasmus for Granderson.... :D

[davell]

I'm pretty sure any speculation about Detroit being a landing spot for Bradley has strictly been based on Bonderman, Maggs, or Dontrelle. Not to mention, I THINK that Leyland said he wasn't interested in Bradley already.

 

So, I figure we'd have to trade other pieces in order to get him and still send Bradley elsewhere......Which is fine obviously as it looks like either Texas or Tampa will wind up being where he ends up. Granderson would be a very nice pickup and since Detroit is looking at trimming salary, we'd need to send over some low price talent(most likely major league ready, since Detroit thinks they cam compete). Yeah, they'd probably want a minor leaguer or two, but I'd stay away from the guys considered to be our top 7(Castro, Vitters, J and B Jackson, Cashner, Lee, and Carpenter) and try sending off some high upside guy like Burke or Archer and also a guy who almost definitely WILL at least make the majors, like Colvin or Flaherty. Then, send off a solid relief prospect/cheap major league reliever like Stevens or Parker.

 

So far, all you've sent is one of Burke or Archer, one of Colvin or Flaherty, and one of Stevens or Parker. No, this won't get it done, but that's when you add in the guys that can help them immediately. Fuld and/or Fox could both be very useful players at the major league level especially in the AL for Fox. If that doesn't do it for them, replace Parker or Stevens with Marshall or Gorzelanny and see if that works for them.

 

In most cases, I don't think quantity over quality type deals work on any level, as someone can always trump it with one really good prospect, but in Detroit's situation, I think they may may prefer something like this, as they can fill some roster spots very cheaply and also give their system a boost as well, which they need.

[Sever82]

I'm pretty sure any speculation about Detroit being a landing spot for Bradley has strictly been based on Bonderman, Maggs, or Dontrelle. Not to mention, I THINK that Leyland said he wasn't interested in Bradley already.

 

So, I figure we'd have to trade other pieces in order to get him and still send Bradley elsewhere......Which is fine obviously as it looks like either Texas or Tampa will wind up being where he ends up. Granderson would be a very nice pickup and since Detroit is looking at trimming salary, we'd need to send over some low price talent(most likely major league ready, since Detroit thinks they cam compete). Yeah, they'd probably want a minor leaguer or two, but I'd stay away from the guys considered to be our top 7(Castro, Vitters, J and B Jackson, Cashner, Lee, and Carpenter) and try sending off some high upside guy like Burke or Archer and also a guy who almost definitely WILL at least make the majors, like Colvin or Flaherty. Then, send off a solid relief prospect/cheap major league reliever like Stevens or Parker.

 

So far, all you've sent is one of Burke or Archer, one of Colvin or Flaherty, and one of Stevens or Parker. No, this won't get it done, but that's when you add in the guys that can help them immediately. Fuld and/or Fox could both be very useful players at the major league level especially in the AL for Fox. If that doesn't do it for them, replace Parker or Stevens with Marshall or Gorzelanny and see if that works for them.

 

In most cases, I don't think quantity over quality type deals work on any level, as someone can always trump it with one really good prospect, but in Detroit's situation, I think they may may prefer something like this, as they can fill some roster spots very cheaply and also give their system a boost as well, which they need.

 

Nice post i agree. Wouldn't mind including any of those players.

[blangen]

With the Tigers need for MI help, I could see Theriot going over as the centerpiece of the deal. Throw in Marshall and a minor leaguer and I think you have groundwork for something the Tigers would be interested in. Gives them a few years under control for 2 guys who have proven their worth in the bigs as well as someone on the cusp, or a Fuld or Fox type to round it out.

[Sever82]

With the Tigers need for MI help, I could see Theriot going over as the centerpiece of the deal. Throw in Marshall and a minor leaguer and I think you have groundwork for something the Tigers would be interested in. Gives them a few years under control for 2 guys who have proven their worth in the bigs as well as someone on the cusp, or a Fuld or Fox type to round it out.

 

If they pull a trade that involves Theriot, the cubs would have to plan either signing a one year deal for someone like Cabrera to play short or bring up castro already. I wouldn't mind bringing up castro because he would then be tutored by Jaramillo in hitting but its also a risk.

[davell]

By the way, for anyone looking forward to another offseason of Roberts or Peavy type rumors, your wish has been granted by the notion that Granderson COULD POSSIBLY be available and his Chicago ties as well.

[Cubswin11]

Could Guillen play 2B? If he could I wouldn't be opposed to a Marmol, Theriot, Marshall/Gorzo, Fox and maybe a Flaherty/Darwin Barney type for Granderson and Guillen. We could then sign Scutaro or Cabrera to a 1-2 year deal until Castro is ready.

 

Lineup could then be

 

Granderson CF

Cabrera/Scutaro SS

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Guillen 2B

Soriano LF

Soto c

Fukudome RF

[Rob]

For the life of me, I cannot figure out the obsession with batting guys in the 2 hole even though they aren't particularly good hitters. I'd be inclined to say that if every single team in baseball simply took their 2 hole hitter, batted them 8th, and moved everybody up to compensate that league scoring would go up by quite a bit

[CUBZ99]

Granderson had a .780 OPS last year, compared to Bradley's .775. A year ago Badley's OPS was in the .900's.

 

I would prefer the Cubs keep Bradley and and save the prospects.