Granderson to Yankees in 3-way trade? p. 20

[Backtobanks]

The more I've thought about it, Detroit would have to be seeking a public relations nightmare to accept a quantity type package from anyone for someone as popular as Granderson is. I honestly wouldn't trade Marmol, since we don't have a guy who has proven he can close other than him currently on the roster. Castro would be the only prospect I wouldn't let go, but I'd tier off the others so they could only grab one of certain type guys.

 

Tier 1-J Jackson, Cashner, Lee, Vitters (B Jackson would be here too, but I don't think he can be dealt yet, unless it's as a PTBNL)

Tier 2-Carpenter, Burke, Archer, Flaherty, Colvin, Castillo

Tier 3- Any of about 10-15 guys who we have that actually has some modicum of value, as our system is getting deeper.

 

Marshall or Gorzelanny are interchangeable in these offers, so I'm just going to say Marshall for what it's worth. Theriot and Wells will be mentioned on occasion, but I don't see them honestly getting dealt either. Guzman is probably the better bet to be dealt than Marmol too, so I'd let him go in some of these.

 

 

 

 

Offers I'd make for Granderson would probably be something like these......

 

Theriot and Wells with a Parker/Stevens type

Marshall/Guzman/Fuld/and a Tier 1 guy

Marshall/Fuld/Stevens/Tier 1 and a Tier 2 guy

Guzman/Theriot/Tier 2 and 3 guy

Tier 1, 2 Tier 2's and a Tier 3

Wells/ Guzman and a Tier 2

 

i like how you have laid this out but i really think people are overlooking vitters in this case. i know castro is Mr. Hype right now, but I still contend that Vitters is the #1 prospect in the system, with castro coming in at #2 it seems. Granderson is in NO way worth a top 1 or 2 prospect IMO. If our system hasn't quite reached the point where you can't acquire a player like Granderson without giving up your top boys, you simply pass on the deal.

 

Granderson is not worth a top prospect. I do like how you laid it out but some of those scenarios are too much for a guy who isn't exactly an all star. People are overhyping granderson too much, i mean i think the guy would be a huge pickup, but a pickup not worth more than mid level prospects.

 

I totally agree with you. Some of these packages look like we're going after Hanley Ramirez or Roy Halliday not Curtis Granderson. Granderson is a perfect fit for the Cubs, but he's not worth trading our top prospects plus creating a new hole on the field. As BCVM22 pointed out, he's atrocious against LHP. His suggestion of platooning him with someone like Reed Johnson is a great idea, but not after giving up half your farm system for him. Cub fans have waited a long time for positional prospects like Vitters and Castro, so they should be considered almost "untouchable".

[Exile on Waveland]

Not that I lend much credence to the preceding rumor/possibility, but the Cubs should be looking to sell high on Marmol now as it is. I'm speculating, but I have a feeling his value is inflated across the league. I can't imagine turning down Granderson -- poor splits or not -- because of not wanting to part with Marmol.

[Sammy Sofa]

Granderson is not worth a top prospect. I do like how you laid it out but some of those scenarios are too much for a guy who isn't exactly an all star. People are overhyping granderson too much, i mean i think the guy would be a huge pickup, but a pickup not worth more than mid level prospects.

 

Agreed. Granderson would be a very nice addition, but if he can be had it should be with players along the lines of Theriot, Marshall, Gorz and Marmol and not Castro or Vitters.

[Sever82]

PJ (Chicago)

 

 

Hey KLAW! Can you give me a starting point for a Cubs deal for Granderson? Is Phil Rogers' article this morning suggesting Marmol and Castro too much?

 

Klaw (1:15 PM)

 

 

Yeah, WAY too much for a player who probably needs to be platooned.

[Tarver]

The more I've thought about it, Detroit would have to be seeking a public relations nightmare to accept a quantity type package from anyone for someone as popular as Granderson is. I honestly wouldn't trade Marmol, since we don't have a guy who has proven he can close other than him currently on the roster. Castro would be the only prospect I wouldn't let go, but I'd tier off the others so they could only grab one of certain type guys.

 

Tier 1-J Jackson, Cashner, Lee, Vitters (B Jackson would be here too, but I don't think he can be dealt yet, unless it's as a PTBNL)

Tier 2-Carpenter, Burke, Archer, Flaherty, Colvin, Castillo

Tier 3- Any of about 10-15 guys who we have that actually has some modicum of value, as our system is getting deeper.

 

Marshall or Gorzelanny are interchangeable in these offers, so I'm just going to say Marshall for what it's worth. Theriot and Wells will be mentioned on occasion, but I don't see them honestly getting dealt either. Guzman is probably the better bet to be dealt than Marmol too, so I'd let him go in some of these.

 

 

 

 

Offers I'd make for Granderson would probably be something like these......

 

Theriot and Wells with a Parker/Stevens type

Marshall/Guzman/Fuld/and a Tier 1 guy

Marshall/Fuld/Stevens/Tier 1 and a Tier 2 guy

Guzman/Theriot/Tier 2 and 3 guy

Tier 1, 2 Tier 2's and a Tier 3

Wells/ Guzman and a Tier 2

 

i like how you have laid this out but i really think people are overlooking vitters in this case. i know castro is Mr. Hype right now, but I still contend that Vitters is the #1 prospect in the system, with castro coming in at #2 it seems. Granderson is in NO way worth a top 1 or 2 prospect IMO. If our system hasn't quite reached the point where you can't acquire a player like Granderson without giving up your top boys, you simply pass on the deal.

 

Granderson is not worth a top prospect. I do like how you laid it out but some of those scenarios are too much for a guy who isn't exactly an all star. People are overhyping granderson too much, i mean i think the guy would be a huge pickup, but a pickup not worth more than mid level prospects.

 

I totally agree with you. Some of these packages look like we're going after Hanley Ramirez or Roy Halliday not Curtis Granderson. Granderson is a perfect fit for the Cubs, but he's not worth trading our top prospects plus creating a new hole on the field. As BCVM22 pointed out, he's atrocious against LHP. His suggestion of platooning him with someone like Reed Johnson is a great idea, but not after giving up half your farm system for him. Cub fans have waited a long time for positional prospects like Vitters and Castro, so they should be considered almost "untouchable".

 

Corey Patterson was untouchable too. Not that I advocate trading either one for a guy like Granderson, but considering how many teams are looking to shed payroll and acquire "top prospects" Hendry should keep all options on the table.

[Sever82]

The more I've thought about it, Detroit would have to be seeking a public relations nightmare to accept a quantity type package from anyone for someone as popular as Granderson is. I honestly wouldn't trade Marmol, since we don't have a guy who has proven he can close other than him currently on the roster. Castro would be the only prospect I wouldn't let go, but I'd tier off the others so they could only grab one of certain type guys.

 

Tier 1-J Jackson, Cashner, Lee, Vitters (B Jackson would be here too, but I don't think he can be dealt yet, unless it's as a PTBNL)

Tier 2-Carpenter, Burke, Archer, Flaherty, Colvin, Castillo

Tier 3- Any of about 10-15 guys who we have that actually has some modicum of value, as our system is getting deeper.

 

Marshall or Gorzelanny are interchangeable in these offers, so I'm just going to say Marshall for what it's worth. Theriot and Wells will be mentioned on occasion, but I don't see them honestly getting dealt either. Guzman is probably the better bet to be dealt than Marmol too, so I'd let him go in some of these.

 

 

 

 

Offers I'd make for Granderson would probably be something like these......

 

Theriot and Wells with a Parker/Stevens type

Marshall/Guzman/Fuld/and a Tier 1 guy

Marshall/Fuld/Stevens/Tier 1 and a Tier 2 guy

Guzman/Theriot/Tier 2 and 3 guy

Tier 1, 2 Tier 2's and a Tier 3

Wells/ Guzman and a Tier 2

 

i like how you have laid this out but i really think people are overlooking vitters in this case. i know castro is Mr. Hype right now, but I still contend that Vitters is the #1 prospect in the system, with castro coming in at #2 it seems. Granderson is in NO way worth a top 1 or 2 prospect IMO. If our system hasn't quite reached the point where you can't acquire a player like Granderson without giving up your top boys, you simply pass on the deal.

 

Granderson is not worth a top prospect. I do like how you laid it out but some of those scenarios are too much for a guy who isn't exactly an all star. People are overhyping granderson too much, i mean i think the guy would be a huge pickup, but a pickup not worth more than mid level prospects.

 

I totally agree with you. Some of these packages look like we're going after Hanley Ramirez or Roy Halliday not Curtis Granderson. Granderson is a perfect fit for the Cubs, but he's not worth trading our top prospects plus creating a new hole on the field. As BCVM22 pointed out, he's atrocious against LHP. His suggestion of platooning him with someone like Reed Johnson is a great idea, but not after giving up half your farm system for him. Cub fans have waited a long time for positional prospects like Vitters and Castro, so they should be considered almost "untouchable".

 

Corey Patterson was untouchable too. Not that I advocate trading either one for a guy like Granderson, but considering how many teams are looking to shed payroll and acquire "top prospects" Hendry should keep all options on the table.

 

Agree but you dont trade your top prospects for a player slightly above average. If you're going to trade Castro or Vitters in a deal, it better be for someone who's worth it. Hendry shouldn't trade his prospects just for the sake of trading them because teams are willing to shed payroll.

[PrimeTime]

I'd give them Theriot in a heartbeat, then Vitters and Cashner possibly, don't want to give up Castro since we haven't had a good SS in a long, long time.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'd give them Theriot in a heartbeat, then Vitters and Cashner possibly

 

What? No. I can't think of a package of talent that great being given up since the Teixiera trade(which was definitely bigger)

 

The Indians didn't get that much for Cliff Lee and you want to give that up for a platoon CF?

[Tarver]

Right. I certainly wouldn't trade either for Granderson.

[erik316wttn]

I hereby predict Curtis Granderson to be the coveted-yet-unacquired target for this offseason, much like Jake Peavy was last year, and Brian Roberts the one before that.

[Sever82]

I'd give them Theriot in a heartbeat, then Vitters and Cashner possibly

 

What? No. I can't think of a package of talent that great being given up since the Teixiera trade(which was definitely bigger)

 

The Indians didn't get that much for Cliff Lee and you want to give that up for a platoon CF?

 

My ideal package would be something like Marshall, Fox, Caridad and maybe another major league arm or maybe another mid level prospect.

[Sever82]

I hereby predict Curtis Granderson to be the coveted-yet-unacquired target for this offseason, much like Jake Peavy was last year, and Brian Roberts the one before that.

 

I feell Hendry did the right thing with Peavy. Holding out Vitter and supposedly marshall. Peavy is a very good pitcher but the cubs need youth on their team. I hope the cubs keep their young prospects and actually develop them into something.

[Little Slide Rooter]

 

My ideal package would be something like Marshall, Fox, Caridad and maybe another major league arm or maybe another mid level prospect.

 

And they would promptly hang up on you. If offer up:

 

1 of Theriot, Marmol

1 of Marshall, Gorz, Shark

2 of Fox, Colvin, Hoffpauir, Fuld, Fontenot

 

or Theriot, Marmol,+ 1 of the other above.

[Gmoney08]

I would do Theriot, Gorz, and a Wellington Castillo type prospect.

[erik316wttn]

I hereby predict Curtis Granderson to be the coveted-yet-unacquired target for this offseason, much like Jake Peavy was last year, and Brian Roberts the one before that.

 

I feell Hendry did the right thing with Peavy. Holding out Vitter and supposedly marshall. Peavy is a very good pitcher but the cubs need youth on their team. I hope the cubs keep their young prospects and actually develop them into something.

 

I'm not saying that Hendry was wrong, especially if the reports are true that more than once the Cubs and Padres had a deal worked out, only for San Diego to suddenly decide to raise the price after the fact.

 

I'm just saying that for the past 2 offseasons we've come very close to acquiring a big-name player (Roberts and Peavy), only to fall short. I'm saying Granderson will be that player this offseason. Just watch.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm just saying that for the past 2 offseasons we've come very close to acquiring a big-name player (Roberts and Peavy), only to fall short. I'm saying Granderson will be that player this offseason. Just watch.

 

That happens all the time. Besides, the Roberts deal was killed by the shittiness of Angelos. It's not like those were two deals that we can look at as Hendry screwed up.

[erik316wttn]

I'm just saying that for the past 2 offseasons we've come very close to acquiring a big-name player (Roberts and Peavy), only to fall short. I'm saying Granderson will be that player this offseason. Just watch.

 

That happens all the time. Besides, the Roberts deal was killed by the [expletive] of Angelos. It's not like those were two deals that we can look at as Hendry screwed up.

 

Nowhere did I blame Hendry.

[davearm2]

Granderson is not worth a top prospect. I do like how you laid it out but some of those scenarios are too much for a guy who isn't exactly an all star. People are overhyping granderson too much, i mean i think the guy would be a huge pickup, but a pickup not worth more than mid level prospects.

This sure sounds contradictory.

[Sever82]

Granderson is not worth a top prospect. I do like how you laid it out but some of those scenarios are too much for a guy who isn't exactly an all star. People are overhyping granderson too much, i mean i think the guy would be a huge pickup, but a pickup not worth more than mid level prospects.

This sure sounds contradictory.

 

How? a guy can fill a huge hole without necessarily being an all star or without necessarily demanding top prospects.

[Guest]

Whether people on a message board thinks Granderson doesn't merit a top prospect matters not. Most "baseball people", i.e., the people who run baseball teams and pontificate on TV do think he merits a top prospect. The point being, if he's traded it will be for a top tier prospect. He's a good player, a "good character" guy, and relatively cheap.

 

I don't think he's worth a top tier prospect, but if the Cubs trade for him I'll bet they give up one or two to get him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Whether people on a message board thinks Granderson doesn't merit a top prospect matters not. Most "baseball people", i.e., the people who run baseball teams and pontificate on TV do think he merits a top prospect. The point being, if he's traded it will be for a top tier prospect. He's a good player, a "good character" guy, and relatively cheap.

 

I don't think he's worth a top tier prospect, but if the Cubs trade for him I'll bet they give up one or two to get him.

 

Hes everything Lou has been looking for. Hes a lefty. he mashes righties, he plays a great center field. I hope we dont part with Castro, Vitters, Cashner, or Jackson, but I wouldnt mind putting together a nice prospect package for him.

[JeffH]

I would give Jay Jackson and some lesser pieces parts for Granderson.

[Cubswin11]

I'd be willing to give Jay Jackson or Cashner as the centerpiece along with one to two of (depending on the combination) Marshall, Gorzo, Flaherty, Burke, Archer, Caridad, Castillo, Guzman, Stevens, or Carpenter. Then maybe a low level throw in or two.

[davearm2]

Granderson is not worth a top prospect. I do like how you laid it out but some of those scenarios are too much for a guy who isn't exactly an all star. People are overhyping granderson too much, i mean i think the guy would be a huge pickup, but a pickup not worth more than mid level prospects.

This sure sounds contradictory.

 

How? a guy can fill a huge hole without necessarily being an all star or without necessarily demanding top prospects.

If he'd be a huge pickup, then he's worth more than mid level prospects.

[Backtobanks]

It will be interesting to see the kind of offers they get from other teams.