Granderson to Yankees in 3-way trade? p. 20

[Halman]

please no. Sam Fuld will be better than Granderson

[A-Cal]

please no. Sam Fuld will be better than Granderson

 

sarcasm?

[Roast]

please no. Sam Fuld will be better than Granderson

Oh good lord I hope that is sarcasm.

[E.J.]

please no. Sam Fuld will be better than Granderson

Oh good lord I hope that is sarcasm.

 

Haha. Search through this guy's posts and see how many times he mentions Sam Fuld. It's hilarious.

[TruffleShuffle]

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/grandersons-just-fine

 

he's a really good player who had a down year in 2009. i'd trade vitters and theriot for him in about 2 seconds.

[Post Count Padder]

I don't know that I'd give up what the possible demands are, but I do think he'll bounce back this year. I'm sure they'd love a Vitters/ Theriot return. But then where does that leave us at shortstop? Get a one year stopgap like Tejada to give Castro another year to develop?

 

If it were me, I'd offer Marshall, Fox, Castillo, Samardzija and a mid level pitching prospect.

[RedFlash]

So I take it that Curtis Granderson will be this offseasons version of "Brian Roberts" or "Jake Peavy", or is it to early to tell?

[Post Count Padder]

So I take it that Curtis Granderson will be this offseasons version of "Brian Roberts" or "Jake Peavy", or is it to early to tell?

Well, unlike those two, there's been no confirmed interest yet. Just people like Wittenmyer and Rogers saying the Cubs should go after him.

[erik316wttn]

I don't know that I'd give up what the possible demands are, but I do think he'll bounce back this year. I'm sure they'd love a Vitters/ Theriot return. But then where does that leave us at shortstop? Get a one year stopgap like Tejada to give Castro another year to develop?

 

If it were me, I'd offer Marshall, Fox, Castillo, Samardzija and a mid level pitching prospect.

 

I'm pretty sure Shark has a NTC.

[Post Count Padder]

I don't know that I'd give up what the possible demands are, but I do think he'll bounce back this year. I'm sure they'd love a Vitters/ Theriot return. But then where does that leave us at shortstop? Get a one year stopgap like Tejada to give Castro another year to develop?

 

If it were me, I'd offer Marshall, Fox, Castillo, Samardzija and a mid level pitching prospect.

 

I'm pretty sure Shark has a NTC.

Yeah, I keep forgetting about that. That was smart on Jim's part.

[Clem Fandango]

Let's not forget that if he were to be traded to the Cubs, he wouldn't be playing in one of the most pitcher friendly parks in the majors. His career home/road splits:

 

Home: .261/.334/.451/.785 128 XBH's

Road: .284/.353/.516/.869 156 XBH's

 

He also has an extreme home/road split in BABIP.

 

Home: .303

Road: .340

 

However production against lefties is very discouraging. I like Granderson a lot, but at the right price. Every trade proposal idea has been discussed already ad nauseum so I won't waste my time reiterating what everyone else has basically agreed upon, that he should be had for mid level guys and maybe someone like Theriot, but nothing more, and definitely not a top prospect

[Rob]

please no. Sam Fuld will be better than Granderson

Oh good lord I hope that is sarcasm.

 

Haha. Search through this guy's posts and see how many times he mentions Sam Fuld. It's hilarious.

 

Hey now, I mention him a bunch too... but more to show other players are bad, not to say he's especially good.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/grandersons-just-fine

 

he's a really good player who had a down year in 2009. i'd trade vitters and theriot for him in about 2 seconds.

 

Granderson's more valuable than he's been given credit for in this thread, but I can't get over how useless he is against LHP. I mean, if he were even merely a bad hitter against LHP that'd be one thing, but he's just nightmarishly terrible. I'd want someone who isn't so easily neutralized if we're giving up a big package(which is what it would take, and what Detroit should rightfully ask for in exchange for Granderson).

[Backtobanks]

I'll bet we're the only site suggesting 4-5 prospects or our starting SS and closer for Granderson.

[Little Slide Rooter]

It will be interesting to see the kind of offers they get from other teams.

 

Excellent question. Lets go over a short list of teams that could go after Granderson, a very solid center fielder who will be up for a contract soon:

 

Red Sox: They have a solid center fielder in Ellsbury, but could Granderson be a cheaper option for them than Bay or Holliday?

Mets: They're looking for another bat. Again, would be cheaper than Bay or Holliday.

Braves: They have stated that they want another outfield bat, but they want a righty.

Cardinals: Do they have the trade chips left after last season?

and of course....

The Yankees: If they choose to let Matsui and Damon go, and not shell out for Bay or Holliday, he could be an option for them. With all the money on their books, they might prefer a trade over another massive contract.

 

The Cubs are right up there. we definitely have the need for a center fielder. Granderson would fit our bill. Hes owed 5.5 mil in 2010, and then goes up to 8.25 in '11 and 10 mil in '12 and then a 13 mil option for '13. I say we go for it. Maybe start with a package like Fontenot, Marshall, Colvin, and a prospect or 2, and see where it goes from there.

[davell]

Someone from the New York Post, probably their version of Phil Rogers, wrote an article much like Rogers' did about Granderson's availability and he said a deal the Yankees should consider for him would start with Austin Jackson as the centerpiece, with Ian Kennedy and Zach McAllister.

[Backtobanks]

It will be interesting to see the kind of offers they get from other teams.

 

Excellent question. Lets go over a short list of teams that could go after Granderson, a very solid center fielder who will be up for a contract soon:

 

Red Sox: They have a solid center fielder in Ellsbury, but could Granderson be a cheaper option for them than Bay or Holliday?

Mets: They're looking for another bat. Again, would be cheaper than Bay or Holliday.

Braves: They have stated that they want another outfield bat, but they want a righty.

Cardinals: Do they have the trade chips left after last season?

and of course....

The Yankees: If they choose to let Matsui and Damon go, and not shell out for Bay or Holliday, he could be an option for them. With all the money on their books, they might prefer a trade over another massive contract.

 

The Cubs are right up there. we definitely have the need for a center fielder. Granderson would fit our bill. Hes owed 5.5 mil in 2010, and then goes up to 8.25 in '11 and 10 mil in '12 and then a 13 mil option for '13. I say we go for it. Maybe start with a package like Fontenot, Marshall, Colvin, and a prospect or 2, and see where it goes from there.

 

I don't have a problem with the package deal you suggested because Fontenot, Marshall, and Colvin are extra pieces. In my opinion, giving up young ML players who are a vital part of the team or top positional prospects that we've been waiting for isn't the right route to go for Granderson.

[Little Slide Rooter]

It will be interesting to see the kind of offers they get from other teams.

 

Excellent question. Lets go over a short list of teams that could go after Granderson, a very solid center fielder who will be up for a contract soon:

 

Red Sox: They have a solid center fielder in Ellsbury, but could Granderson be a cheaper option for them than Bay or Holliday?

Mets: They're looking for another bat. Again, would be cheaper than Bay or Holliday.

Braves: They have stated that they want another outfield bat, but they want a righty.

Cardinals: Do they have the trade chips left after last season?

and of course....

The Yankees: If they choose to let Matsui and Damon go, and not shell out for Bay or Holliday, he could be an option for them. With all the money on their books, they might prefer a trade over another massive contract.

 

The Cubs are right up there. we definitely have the need for a center fielder. Granderson would fit our bill. Hes owed 5.5 mil in 2010, and then goes up to 8.25 in '11 and 10 mil in '12 and then a 13 mil option for '13. I say we go for it. Maybe start with a package like Fontenot, Marshall, Colvin, and a prospect or 2, and see where it goes from there.

 

I don't have a problem with the package deal you suggested because Fontenot, Marshall, and Colvin are extra pieces. In my opinion, giving up young ML players who are a vital part of the team or top positional prospects that we've been waiting for isn't the right route to go for Granderson.

 

The question is, do other teams see these guys are valuable? Sometimes, when you see players as spare parts, other teams are interested in them. It would depend on the prospect(s). Would they demand a Castro,Cashner, or Jackosn type, or would they settle for a major league ready AAA player like Gaub, Barney, or Stevens or a lesser lower level prospect? I know it was a different situation, but what got us Harden was:

 

Murton: spare part-Fontenot, Fox, Fuld, or Hoffpair could fit the mold

Patterson: Major league ready AAA player. Colvin would fit that mold

Gallagher: solid pitching prospect/young pitcher: Marshall or Samardzjia could fit.

low level prospect(not top shelf)-someone like Castillo, Cales, Watkins, Archer etc, or pehaps a more major league ready Gaub or Stevens type instead.

[TruffleShuffle]

It will be interesting to see the kind of offers they get from other teams.

 

Excellent question. Lets go over a short list of teams that could go after Granderson, a very solid center fielder who will be up for a contract soon:

 

Red Sox: They have a solid center fielder in Ellsbury, but could Granderson be a cheaper option for them than Bay or Holliday?

Mets: They're looking for another bat. Again, would be cheaper than Bay or Holliday.

Braves: They have stated that they want another outfield bat, but they want a righty.

Cardinals: Do they have the trade chips left after last season?

and of course....

The Yankees: If they choose to let Matsui and Damon go, and not shell out for Bay or Holliday, he could be an option for them. With all the money on their books, they might prefer a trade over another massive contract.

 

The Cubs are right up there. we definitely have the need for a center fielder. Granderson would fit our bill. Hes owed 5.5 mil in 2010, and then goes up to 8.25 in '11 and 10 mil in '12 and then a 13 mil option for '13. I say we go for it. Maybe start with a package like Fontenot, Marshall, Colvin, and a prospect or 2, and see where it goes from there.

 

I don't have a problem with the package deal you suggested because Fontenot, Marshall, and Colvin are extra pieces. In my opinion, giving up young ML players who are a vital part of the team or top positional prospects that we've been waiting for isn't the right route to go for Granderson.

 

that's fine, but you aren't getting him that way. he's a very good player and there's no reason for the tigers to accept mediocrity for him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

It will be interesting to see the kind of offers they get from other teams.

 

Excellent question. Lets go over a short list of teams that could go after Granderson, a very solid center fielder who will be up for a contract soon:

 

Red Sox: They have a solid center fielder in Ellsbury, but could Granderson be a cheaper option for them than Bay or Holliday?

Mets: They're looking for another bat. Again, would be cheaper than Bay or Holliday.

Braves: They have stated that they want another outfield bat, but they want a righty.

Cardinals: Do they have the trade chips left after last season?

and of course....

The Yankees: If they choose to let Matsui and Damon go, and not shell out for Bay or Holliday, he could be an option for them. With all the money on their books, they might prefer a trade over another massive contract.

 

The Cubs are right up there. we definitely have the need for a center fielder. Granderson would fit our bill. Hes owed 5.5 mil in 2010, and then goes up to 8.25 in '11 and 10 mil in '12 and then a 13 mil option for '13. I say we go for it. Maybe start with a package like Fontenot, Marshall, Colvin, and a prospect or 2, and see where it goes from there.

 

I don't have a problem with the package deal you suggested because Fontenot, Marshall, and Colvin are extra pieces. In my opinion, giving up young ML players who are a vital part of the team or top positional prospects that we've been waiting for isn't the right route to go for Granderson.

 

that's fine, but you aren't getting him that way. he's a very good player and there's no reason for the tigers to accept mediocrity for him.

 

Its a starting point. A lot of people are seriously undervaluing Granderson if they arent willing to part with Theriot for him. Id do that in a heartbeat and happily live with Blanco at the 8 spot in the lineup. The above package is a starting point, but something along the lines of Theriot, Samardzjia(Im sure hed waive his NTC at this point), Colvin, Gaub/Stevens sounds very fair. If they demanded Marmol instead of Shark along with Theriot, even that would be worth it as long as were willing to go out another closer such as Valverde or Soriano.

[Backtobanks]

It will be interesting to see the kind of offers they get from other teams.

 

Excellent question. Lets go over a short list of teams that could go after Granderson, a very solid center fielder who will be up for a contract soon:

 

Red Sox: They have a solid center fielder in Ellsbury, but could Granderson be a cheaper option for them than Bay or Holliday?

Mets: They're looking for another bat. Again, would be cheaper than Bay or Holliday.

Braves: They have stated that they want another outfield bat, but they want a righty.

Cardinals: Do they have the trade chips left after last season?

and of course....

The Yankees: If they choose to let Matsui and Damon go, and not shell out for Bay or Holliday, he could be an option for them. With all the money on their books, they might prefer a trade over another massive contract.

 

The Cubs are right up there. we definitely have the need for a center fielder. Granderson would fit our bill. Hes owed 5.5 mil in 2010, and then goes up to 8.25 in '11 and 10 mil in '12 and then a 13 mil option for '13. I say we go for it. Maybe start with a package like Fontenot, Marshall, Colvin, and a prospect or 2, and see where it goes from there.

 

I don't have a problem with the package deal you suggested because Fontenot, Marshall, and Colvin are extra pieces. In my opinion, giving up young ML players who are a vital part of the team or top positional prospects that we've been waiting for isn't the right route to go for Granderson.

 

that's fine, but you aren't getting him that way. he's a very good player and there's no reason for the tigers to accept mediocrity for him.

 

Its a starting point. A lot of people are seriously undervaluing Granderson if they arent willing to part with Theriot for him. Id do that in a heartbeat and happily live with Blanco at the 8 spot in the lineup. The above package is a starting point, but something along the lines of Theriot, Samardzjia(Im sure hed waive his NTC at this point), Colvin, Gaub/Stevens sounds very fair. If they demanded Marmol instead of Shark along with Theriot, even that would be worth it as long as were willing to go out another closer such as Valverde or Soriano.

 

I agree it's a starting point, but I disagree with the notion that posters are undervaluing Granderson. If you look at the trade proposals, you would think we're trying to get Pujols, Halliday, or Hanley Ramirez. I would love to have Granderson, but he absolutely can't hit LHP. In other words, he's either a platoon player or a sure out against lefties. In my mind, that doesn't justify the kind of packages people are discussing.

 

Granderson (2007-2009) vs. LHP - .202/.261/.309/.570

Aaron Miles (2007-2009) vs. LHP - .288/.355/.352/.707

[sneakypower]

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/grandersons-just-fine

 

he's a really good player who had a down year in 2009. i'd trade vitters and theriot for him in about 2 seconds.

i can trade those two in 1 second, george!

[Little Slide Rooter]

Angels, Tigers Discuss Granderson Trade

By Tim Dierkes [November 13 at 9:38am CST]

The Angels and Tigers have discussed a trade for center fielder Curtis Granderson, according to Ken Davidoff of Newsday. Davidoff says the Halos would use Granderson in left field and either shift Juan Rivera to DH or trade him. In my opinion, the Angels could fill several needs cheaply for the Tigers with players such as Mike Napoli and Brandon Wood. Davidoff adds that the Yankees "think very highly" of Granderson and the Cubs are "expected to inquire."

 

Looks like th Angels are in on Granderson as well.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I agree it's a starting point, but I disagree with the notion that posters are undervaluing Granderson. If you look at the trade proposals, you would think we're trying to get Pujols, Halliday, or Hanley Ramirez. I would love to have Granderson, but he absolutely can't hit LHP. In other words, he's either a platoon player or a sure out against lefties. In my mind, that doesn't justify the kind of packages people are discussing.

 

Granderson (2007-2009) vs. LHP - .202/.261/.309/.570

Aaron Miles (2007-2009) vs. LHP - .288/.355/.352/.707

 

If we were trying to get Pujols or Hanley, wed be looking at packages like Marmol Castro, Viters, Cashner, and Jackson. Were talking about a shortstop with a decent contact bat and below average glove, a reliever with control issues, and a few mid level propspects or spare parts here. If we were to propose Theriot, Marmol, and Colvin for Hanley Ramirez, the Marlins would hang up without a 2nd thought.

[Sever82]

I agree it's a starting point, but I disagree with the notion that posters are undervaluing Granderson. If you look at the trade proposals, you would think we're trying to get Pujols, Halliday, or Hanley Ramirez. I would love to have Granderson, but he absolutely can't hit LHP. In other words, he's either a platoon player or a sure out against lefties. In my mind, that doesn't justify the kind of packages people are discussing.

 

Granderson (2007-2009) vs. LHP - .202/.261/.309/.570

Aaron Miles (2007-2009) vs. LHP - .288/.355/.352/.707

 

If we were trying to get Pujols or Hanley, wed be looking at packages like Marmol Castro, Viters, Cashner, and Jackson. Were talking about a shortstop with a decent contact bat and below average glove, a reliever with control issues, and a few mid level propspects or spare parts here. If we were to propose Theriot, Marmol, and Colvin for Hanley Ramirez, the Marlins would hang up without a 2nd thought.

 

A Package including Theriot, marmol, colvin is a decent package for Granderson, though you might have to include one more mid level prospect like caridad. Comparing to what the angels will offerr that might center around wood, i would argue that Detroit might value Marmol way more than Wood because if there was one thing that hurt the tigers last year, it was the bullpen.