Granderson to Yankees in 3-way trade? p. 20

[Sever82]

Granderson had a .780 OPS last year, compared to Bradley's .775. A year ago Badley's OPS was in the .900's.

 

I would prefer the Cubs keep Bradley and and save the prospects.

 

I definitely would have granderson rather than Bradley because of attitude and defense, but i also dont think Granderson is worth giving up value for.

[KingCubsFan]

Granderson had a .780 OPS last year, compared to Bradley's .775. A year ago Badley's OPS was in the .900's.

 

I would prefer the Cubs keep Bradley and and save the prospects.

Good thing neither of them play defense, not to mention Granderson had some strange home/road splits last year. If Lou was smart enough to platoon him, we'd be getting a relatively cheap, .900 OPS CF who by all accounts plays pretty good defense

[Butterscup1679666578]

I don't want to unload what's left of the farm for a platoon guy.

[PrimeTime]

Granderson for CF then Uggla for 2nd base? Im up for that

[CUBZ99]

Granderson had a .780 OPS last year, compared to Bradley's .775. A year ago Badley's OPS was in the .900's.

 

I would prefer the Cubs keep Bradley and and save the prospects.

Good thing neither of them play defense, not to mention Granderson had some strange home/road splits last year. If Lou was smart enough to platoon him, we'd be getting a relatively cheap, .900 OPS CF who by all accounts plays pretty good defense

 

I would rather have Bradley, Castro, and Marmol over Granderson and paying some team $10MM or so to take Bradley

 

Sure Granderson's defense is better, but I don't think it is that much better to justify the expense.

[Backtobanks]

Granderson had a .780 OPS last year, compared to Bradley's .775. A year ago Badley's OPS was in the .900's.

 

I would prefer the Cubs keep Bradley and and save the prospects.

Good thing neither of them play defense, not to mention Granderson had some strange home/road splits last year. If Lou was smart enough to platoon him, we'd be getting a relatively cheap, .900 OPS CF who by all accounts plays pretty good defense

 

I would rather have Bradley, Castro, and Marmol over Granderson and paying some team $10MM or so to take Bradley

 

Sure Granderson's defense is better, but I don't think it is that much better to justify the expense.

 

I think you can forget about keeping Bradley as an option. I can't really see how the Cubs would match up with the Tigers on a blockbuster deal like Granderson. I think it would take a Castro or Vitters (both near untouchables) from the minors and/or Marmol or Theriot from the ML roster. I wish the Bradley deal would happen so the Cubs could move on.

[BCVM22]

Not that he'd be worth what he'd require in a trade, but Granderson's splits vs. LHP/RHP were drastic enough in favor of his ability to hit RHP (.275/.358/.539/.897 BA/OBP/SLG/OPS) and complete inability to do the opposite (.183/.245/.239/.484) that I feel like if you platooned him in CF with Johnson or a similar player capable of hitting LHP, you'd end up with a reasonably productive platoon at the position.

[Backtobanks]

As Davell posted (page 1), if you can get Granderson without giving up our top prospects (Vitters, Castro, etc.) or a major piece of the starting lineup (Theriot, Marmol, etc.) then it's a no-brainer. I don't think Hendry is going to tinker with the established roster (Theriot, Marmol, etc.) because it would open one hole to fill another. Hopefully Hendry can get a Bradley deal done soon so that he can get around to making other deals. Nothing can be done until this Bradley mess is over.

[TruffleShuffle]

you aren't getting granderson without giving up top prospects or someone like marmol. if you can give up theriot for him then by all means do so. but the tigers aren't going to accept a puupuu platter (4 middle of the road prospects) for granderson.

[KingCubsFan]

you aren't getting granderson without giving up top prospects or someone like marmol. if you can give up theriot for him then by all means do so. but the tigers aren't going to accept a puupuu platter (4 middle of the road prospects) for granderson.

I have no problem giving up Marmol and Theriot if that's what it takes. Both are about to get expensive, and their best days are probably behind them.

[erik316wttn]

I'd rather deal Theriot than Marmol, but under no circumstances would I deal both. Either, a bench guy, and some decent prospects would be as high as I'm willing to go.

[davearm2]

Add me to the "sell high on Marmol" bandwagon.

 

The injury risk for a guy so reliant on the slider has been mentioned.

 

My bigger fear, though, is that his control issues reach Rich Hill proportions, and his value disappears likewise.

[Pushfrog98]

I was going to say that having an OF with Fukudome AND Granderson would hurt us pretty badly if people just throw lefties at us since neither can hit lefties very well... but then I looked at Fukudome's stats and he wasn't too far off from his states against RH (granted, I'm not a statistician). They numbers didn't look GREAT, but were better than Granderson's.

[A-Cal]

no problem giving up both theriot and marmol

 

BIG problem giving up either vitters or castro

 

vitters and castro for hanley ? OK

[erik316wttn]

no problem giving up both theriot and marmol

 

BIG problem giving up either vitters or castro

 

vitters and castro for hanley ? OK

 

The reason I don't want to give up Theriot and Marmol together is that I've never been a big fan of creating one hole to fill another. We already have a MIF hole. Do we want another? Marmol, although the more valuable of the two, is more easily replaced with Guzman. We don't have anyone in the system that is ready to replace Theriot next year, so that would lead to another trade or FA signing. I just don't want this huge MIF hole filled by Baker and Fontenot.

 

If we traded Bradley for Burrell, then flipped Burrell to another AL team for a decent 2B or SS, then I'd say go for it. But I'd have another move lined up first before trading away Theriot or we could really be hurting there come Opening Day.

[Little Slide Rooter]

no problem giving up both theriot and marmol

 

BIG problem giving up either vitters or castro

 

vitters and castro for hanley ? OK

 

The reason I don't want to give up Theriot and Marmol together is that I've never been a big fan of creating one hole to fill another. We already have a MIF hole. Do we want another? Marmol, although the more valuable of the two, is more easily replaced with Guzman. We don't have anyone in the system that is ready to replace Theriot next year, so that would lead to another trade or FA signing. I just don't want this huge MIF hole filled by Baker and Fontenot.

 

If we traded Bradley for Burrell, then flipped Burrell to another AL team for a decent 2B or SS, then I'd say go for it. But I'd have another move lined up first before trading away Theriot or we could really be hurting there come Opening Day.

 

If our lineup started out something like

1. Fukudome

2. Baker

3. Lee

4. Ramirez

5. Granderson

6, Soriano

7. Soto

 

then I could live with Andres Blanco at the 8 spot. If nothing else, his defense is great, and if he was that brutal, we could go out and make a mid season trade. As for Vitters or Castro, I agree I wouldnt want to give up either for Grnderson. Now if Sizemore was on the table, that might be a different story.

Edited November 12, 2009 by Little Slide Rooter

[Sammy Sofa]

Theriot is a hole.

 

He's not the gaping hole on the other side of 2nd, but he's a hole.

[Tim M]

Who closes if we deal Marmol? The only cheap closing option I see as a FA is Brandon Lyon.

[davell]

The more I've thought about it, Detroit would have to be seeking a public relations nightmare to accept a quantity type package from anyone for someone as popular as Granderson is. I honestly wouldn't trade Marmol, since we don't have a guy who has proven he can close other than him currently on the roster. Castro would be the only prospect I wouldn't let go, but I'd tier off the others so they could only grab one of certain type guys.

 

Tier 1-J Jackson, Cashner, Lee, Vitters (B Jackson would be here too, but I don't think he can be dealt yet, unless it's as a PTBNL)

Tier 2-Carpenter, Burke, Archer, Flaherty, Colvin, Castillo

Tier 3- Any of about 10-15 guys who we have that actually has some modicum of value, as our system is getting deeper.

 

Marshall or Gorzelanny are interchangeable in these offers, so I'm just going to say Marshall for what it's worth. Theriot and Wells will be mentioned on occasion, but I don't see them honestly getting dealt either. Guzman is probably the better bet to be dealt than Marmol too, so I'd let him go in some of these.

 

 

 

 

Offers I'd make for Granderson would probably be something like these......

 

Theriot and Wells with a Parker/Stevens type

Marshall/Guzman/Fuld/and a Tier 1 guy

Marshall/Fuld/Stevens/Tier 1 and a Tier 2 guy

Guzman/Theriot/Tier 2 and 3 guy

Tier 1, 2 Tier 2's and a Tier 3

Wells/ Guzman and a Tier 2

[Derwood]

Who closes if we deal Marmol? The only cheap closing option I see as a FA is Brandon Lyon.

 

Probably Grabow or Guzman

[A-Cal]

The more I've thought about it, Detroit would have to be seeking a public relations nightmare to accept a quantity type package from anyone for someone as popular as Granderson is. I honestly wouldn't trade Marmol, since we don't have a guy who has proven he can close other than him currently on the roster. Castro would be the only prospect I wouldn't let go, but I'd tier off the others so they could only grab one of certain type guys.

 

Tier 1-J Jackson, Cashner, Lee, Vitters (B Jackson would be here too, but I don't think he can be dealt yet, unless it's as a PTBNL)

Tier 2-Carpenter, Burke, Archer, Flaherty, Colvin, Castillo

Tier 3- Any of about 10-15 guys who we have that actually has some modicum of value, as our system is getting deeper.

 

Marshall or Gorzelanny are interchangeable in these offers, so I'm just going to say Marshall for what it's worth. Theriot and Wells will be mentioned on occasion, but I don't see them honestly getting dealt either. Guzman is probably the better bet to be dealt than Marmol too, so I'd let him go in some of these.

 

 

 

 

Offers I'd make for Granderson would probably be something like these......

 

Theriot and Wells with a Parker/Stevens type

Marshall/Guzman/Fuld/and a Tier 1 guy

Marshall/Fuld/Stevens/Tier 1 and a Tier 2 guy

Guzman/Theriot/Tier 2 and 3 guy

Tier 1, 2 Tier 2's and a Tier 3

Wells/ Guzman and a Tier 2

 

i like how you have laid this out but i really think people are overlooking vitters in this case. i know castro is Mr. Hype right now, but I still contend that Vitters is the #1 prospect in the system, with castro coming in at #2 it seems. Granderson is in NO way worth a top 1 or 2 prospect IMO. If our system hasn't quite reached the point where you can't acquire a player like Granderson without giving up your top boys, you simply pass on the deal.

[third eye]

Granderson seems like he had Fukudome-like luck last year. His LD%, strikeout and walk rates have been really consistent over the past 3 years, but his BABIP dipped 40 points last year. Even with his extreme L/R splits (the gap between splits last year was still pretty consistent with his career), I would expect there to be plenty of reason for him to rebound to the near .850 OPS range next year. Seems like that would make for a pretty productive outfield with strong defense at 2 of the 3 positions and passable defense at the third.

[Keener98]

Who closes if we deal Marmol? The only cheap closing option I see as a FA is Brandon Lyon.

 

Probably Grabow or Guzman

 

Those 2 would be the top choice I'm guessing, but they could also look at Wagner for a year. After this year I figure we will have more of an idea about Samardja the starter, so he could be an option also. Stevens is an option.

 

Personally if you can sell high on Marmol for a Granderson, then you worry about who's closing games after. Relievers are fickle, and there are plenty of guys out there who could do the job over the course of the year. A Guz/Grabow closer combo would probably be more than ok as long as Guz can stay healthy.

[KingCubsFan]

Who closes if we deal Marmol? The only cheap closing option I see as a FA is Brandon Lyon.

 

Probably Grabow or Guzman

I'd take Billy Wagner on a one year deal while Parker is groomed

[Sever82]

The more I've thought about it, Detroit would have to be seeking a public relations nightmare to accept a quantity type package from anyone for someone as popular as Granderson is. I honestly wouldn't trade Marmol, since we don't have a guy who has proven he can close other than him currently on the roster. Castro would be the only prospect I wouldn't let go, but I'd tier off the others so they could only grab one of certain type guys.

 

Tier 1-J Jackson, Cashner, Lee, Vitters (B Jackson would be here too, but I don't think he can be dealt yet, unless it's as a PTBNL)

Tier 2-Carpenter, Burke, Archer, Flaherty, Colvin, Castillo

Tier 3- Any of about 10-15 guys who we have that actually has some modicum of value, as our system is getting deeper.

 

Marshall or Gorzelanny are interchangeable in these offers, so I'm just going to say Marshall for what it's worth. Theriot and Wells will be mentioned on occasion, but I don't see them honestly getting dealt either. Guzman is probably the better bet to be dealt than Marmol too, so I'd let him go in some of these.

 

 

 

 

Offers I'd make for Granderson would probably be something like these......

 

Theriot and Wells with a Parker/Stevens type

Marshall/Guzman/Fuld/and a Tier 1 guy

Marshall/Fuld/Stevens/Tier 1 and a Tier 2 guy

Guzman/Theriot/Tier 2 and 3 guy

Tier 1, 2 Tier 2's and a Tier 3

Wells/ Guzman and a Tier 2

 

i like how you have laid this out but i really think people are overlooking vitters in this case. i know castro is Mr. Hype right now, but I still contend that Vitters is the #1 prospect in the system, with castro coming in at #2 it seems. Granderson is in NO way worth a top 1 or 2 prospect IMO. If our system hasn't quite reached the point where you can't acquire a player like Granderson without giving up your top boys, you simply pass on the deal.

 

Granderson is not worth a top prospect. I do like how you laid it out but some of those scenarios are too much for a guy who isn't exactly an all star. People are overhyping granderson too much, i mean i think the guy would be a huge pickup, but a pickup not worth more than mid level prospects.