Bulls get the #1 pick! 2008 NBA Draft Discussion

[Banedon]

Ha!

 

So do you like it?

Sources confirm that Derrick Rose is the Bulls' pick at No. 1. You like it?

 

Yes -- I'm giggling like a schoolperson

 

No -- I wanted Beasley instead

 

No -- I wanted them to trade it down

 

Giggling like a schoolperson?? Wow...just use a different phrase if you're too afraid it isn't pc to say "Schoolgirl".

[snoodmonger]

The Memphis offense was not condusive to Rose's passing abilties as a PG, it kept his assist totals down.

That and name me a jump shooter on that team.

 

They didn't have a pure shooter on the team, but they had a few guys who could hit an outside shot. (Kemp, CDR, Mack, and occasionally Taggert.) CDR actually shot over 40% from three.

 

But yeah, they were much more dangerous driving and slashing.

[illiniguy]

The Memphis offense was not condusive to Rose's passing abilties as a PG, it kept his assist totals down.

That and name me a jump shooter on that team.

 

They didn't have a pure shooter on the team, but they had a few guys who could hit an outside shot. (Kemp, CDR, Mack, and occasionally Taggert.) CDR actually shot over 40% from three.

 

But yeah, they were much more dangerous driving and slashing.

Hey snood, why the hell did a team draft Sasha last night? I mean there is no way he can give up the big money he was offered over seas to play here.

[TruffleShuffle]

Because throwing a 19 year old PG with one year of college into the starting role while pushing your veteran multi-millionaires to the bench is good for the team? .

It is when your 19 year old PG is extermely more talented then your current PG.

 

you assume. there are zero guarantees that collegiate success translates to the NBA (there are too many examples to list). I'm not sure throwing him into the starting role on a team with playoff expectations is wise. Early failure could screw him up for good.

LMAO, are you seriously suggesting that there is a remote possiblty that Hinrich could be better than Rose? Last I checked Rose doesn't like motorcylces, so I have no idea how this could be even humanly possible. Hinrich isn't even a true modern PG.

Not only that, the fact is you picked Rose over a great prospect. You committed to him, there is no reason to defer from that now by stunting his development by having him not play.

 

not starting =/= not playing.

[illiniguy]

Because throwing a 19 year old PG with one year of college into the starting role while pushing your veteran multi-millionaires to the bench is good for the team? .

It is when your 19 year old PG is extermely more talented then your current PG.

 

you assume. there are zero guarantees that collegiate success translates to the NBA (there are too many examples to list). I'm not sure throwing him into the starting role on a team with playoff expectations is wise. Early failure could screw him up for good.

LMAO, are you seriously suggesting that there is a remote possiblty that Hinrich could be better than Rose? Last I checked Rose doesn't like motorcylces, so I have no idea how this could be even humanly possible. Hinrich isn't even a true modern PG.

Not only that, the fact is you picked Rose over a great prospect. You committed to him, there is no reason to defer from that now by stunting his development by having him not play.

 

not starting =/= not playing.

After the way they gave minutes to the young guys last year, especially after we fell out of it, I am not confident enough they will get him the right amount of minutes if he isn't starting.

[Soul]

Wait, someone get me an eye chart, I could have sworn I just read an actual argument that Kirk Hinrich is as good as Derrick Rose.

[snoodmonger]

The Memphis offense was not condusive to Rose's passing abilties as a PG, it kept his assist totals down.

That and name me a jump shooter on that team.

 

They didn't have a pure shooter on the team, but they had a few guys who could hit an outside shot. (Kemp, CDR, Mack, and occasionally Taggert.) CDR actually shot over 40% from three.

 

But yeah, they were much more dangerous driving and slashing.

Hey snood, why the hell did a team draft Sasha last night? I mean there is no way he can give up the big money he was offered over seas to play here.

 

 

I dunno. I was wondering if they somehow retain the rights to him, so they'd essentially use his time in the Russia as euro-training or the equivalent to NBDL? Otherwise, it seems like an waste of a pick, not that there was much left on the board anymore.

[tfarks]

This is the best night for the Pacers in years. I might actually be interested in them next season.

 

Are you joking? I like Rush and Jack is a good pair with Ford, but they traded the steal of the draft. This was a bad night for the Pacers.

 

The way I see it is simple. I was ecstatic when Bayless fell to the Pacers. My top 2 choices for the Pacers was Bayless(or someone else falling) then Rush. However, Bird's agenda seems non conducive to the long rebuilding mode and he appears to want to try to do this quicker - perhaps because of the declining attendance at Conseco Fieldhouse. I really like Rush - his perimeter defense and jumpshot are both incredibly valuable and he should be NBA ready and doing it for us either starting or backing up Dunleavy/Granger right away. Bayless has the higher potential and may become a superstar, or he might possibly flame out. Bird didn't want to take this chance. O'brien I'm sure has a huge man-crush on Rush with his up tempo offense and perimeter shooting. What the Pacers were severely lacking was defense, which they now have in Rush and in the paint with Hibbert. Not to mention with Jarrett Jack, who at 6'3" can guard the bigger point guards who give us trouble like Billups. Huge strides forward with that department.

 

My main complaint is what they got for Bayless. They also threw in Ike - who never got a fair shake for Rush and Jack. Were they that concerned about a backup PG? You don't usually trade 2 young promising players for someone you passed in the draft and a backup PG, they didn't even get an extra pick from the Blazers. They got robbed in this deal - sure the Pacers got what they needed but they undersold Bayless. Now we will always look back at this, both franchises. It will hurt if Bayless goes on to be the next Gilbert Arenas.

 

However, time gives us the opportunity for rationality. After getting wasted drunk last night and waking up at 1 p.m. today, I clearly see how improved the Pacers are. What a drastic change in this franchise basically overnight. Once Tinsley's contract is bought out the members of the Brawl are gone. Well besides Foster but he wasn't much of a player in that. They have a true center for the first time since Rik Smits in Hibbert. A guy who can play good defense, rebound, score on the post(we really need this after the departure of JO) and perhaps the most overlooked factor - screening. Hibbert is a great screener, this right here can make Rush a rookie of the year candidate - who excels as an off the ball offensive player.

 

PG: We have TJ Ford now, possibly the fastest player in the NBA who can penetrate with the best of em'. 6th in PER last year - and a quality backup that will help keep him healthy in Jack - who is proven capable 10 ppg 4 asst with defensive skills and size. This compared to Tinsley and crap is such a huge step forward there's nothing left for me to say.

 

SG: Dunleavy/Rush/Daniels. That's nothing to scoff at. Dunleavy made huge strides last year. 19-5-4 - that's an incredibly valuable all around player there with great passing skills. Daniels is a guy that can come off the bench and penetrate and put up numbers quickly - he averaged 8 points a game last year on 43% shooting - not too bad for a backup that also ran some point.

 

SF: Danny Granger/Rush/Williams. All that needs to be said here is Granger is the leader of this team. 20-6 last year, 45% shooting, should better that this upcoming year. Thats our franchise player right there. His only shortcoming is his defense - hello Rush. Williams has a lot of potential but hes making mistakes - hes already on his last strike with Bird. If he can stay out of trouble we have ourselves an excellent player here-hes full of potential. I'd like to see him rotate in the 3 and 4 positions. I've said enough about Rush, hopefully he contributes.

 

PF: Troy Murphy/Baston/Williams/Foster: Murphy was 12-7 last year but he plays away from the basket a lot and is not showing what he did earlier in his career when he was an 15-10 guy. Baston is a backup nothing special there. Williams I'd liek to see get time at the 4 like I mentioned earlier - we might be able to pull this off with Hibbert at C. Foster is a terrific rebounder and energy guy - when Foster and Hibbert are our frontcourt we're solid down low.

 

C: Hibbert/Nesterovic/Foster: Best situation we have had here in a while. We haven't had a true center since Smits - or an especially useful one since Brad Miller left. Now we have Hibbert and good depth. Our defense gets a major upgrade and we have some low-post scoring ability that we will sorely need.

 

We have a playoff caliber team here being in the East. We don't have a true PF but O'brien realizes this and will set the offense accordingly. We have an offense that scored 106 points a game at home and 101 on the road. This is not bad at all and should actually improve with better point play and perimeter shooting. This team will be able to put some points up and quickly - bring back the Boom Baby. What was sorely inefficient was the defense and I have expressed my optimism there - this should improve the Pacers by leaps and bounds. So to sum up what I can't say succinctly is that this is a good team, a different team, a refreshing team. This is by far the best I've felt as a Pacer's fan in a long time. I haven't even mentioned the wonderful cap position we will be in next offseason - we should have around 16 million available. This can land us a free agent or help us with netting a trade. If Bayless goes on to have an astounding career good for him - we have what we have now and I think it's pretty damn capable. It's a new era in Pacer land and I know I'm not the only one who's excited.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't think you can assume out of hand that Rose's assist totals were suppressed by the Memphis system. With nothing else to go on but High School play(relatively useless), it's just as easy an assumption that Rose isn't a super distributor.

[CubinNY]

Rose is a good kid. I am happy for him. Hopefully he's a good professional basketball player too.

[TruffleShuffle]

so now the question is (a) who is likely to be the #1 pick in 2009, and (b) which team will the NBA rig the draft for to ensure that they get him?

[Productive Outs]

i'm really happy for joe crawford. hopefully, he makes the roster.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

so now the question is (a) who is likely to be the #1 pick in 2009, and (b) which team will the NBA rig the draft for to ensure that they get him?

DeRozan

[Exile on Waveland]

I don't think you can assume out of hand that Rose's assist totals were suppressed by the Memphis system. With nothing else to go on but High School play(relatively useless), it's just as easy an assumption that Rose isn't a super distributor.

 

He's not. That's blasphemy to some here, but he's not a transcendent passer.

[mul21]

Because throwing a 19 year old PG with one year of college into the starting role while pushing your veteran multi-millionaires to the bench is good for the team? A lot needs to be sorted out.

Yeah it destroyed the Hornets and Jazz franchises.

 

In principle, I agree with you, but Paul and Williams both had at least 2 years in college and played much better competition on a regular basis than Rose just because of the conferences they were in. I do think Rose should be in there right away unless he does something to prove otherwise and Hinrich needs to be gone before camp starts.

[ELCABALLO45]

Ok couple things...

 

 

1. Michael Beasley is the best player in the draft

 

2. Rose is also very talented so its a win/win for Bulls fans.

 

3. I thought Milwaukee had a good night with Joe Alexander and trading for Richard Jefferson.

 

4. Minnesota traded away OJ Mayo.. unbelivable.

[Derwood]

Wait, someone get me an eye chart, I could have sworn I just read an actual argument that Kirk Hinrich is as good as Derrick Rose.

 

if you're referring to me, that's not what I was saying. I was only pointing out they had similar numbers in their final years of college.

[jersey cubs fan]

Wait, someone get me an eye chart, I could have sworn I just read an actual argument that Kirk Hinrich is as good as Derrick Rose.

 

if you're referring to me, that's not what I was saying. I was only pointing out they had similar numbers in their final years of college.

 

What about their first years?

[Exile on Waveland]

This is the best night for the Pacers in years. I might actually be interested in them next season.

 

Are you joking? I like Rush and Jack is a good pair with Ford, but they traded the steal of the draft. This was a bad night for the Pacers.

 

The way I see it is simple. I was ecstatic when Bayless fell to the Pacers. My top 2 choices for the Pacers was Bayless(or someone else falling) then Rush. However, Bird's agenda seems non conducive to the long rebuilding mode and he appears to want to try to do this quicker - perhaps because of the declining attendance at Conseco Fieldhouse. I really like Rush - his perimeter defense and jumpshot are both incredibly valuable and he should be NBA ready and doing it for us either starting or backing up Dunleavy/Granger right away. Bayless has the higher potential and may become a superstar, or he might possibly flame out. Bird didn't want to take this chance. O'brien I'm sure has a huge man-crush on Rush with his up tempo offense and perimeter shooting. What the Pacers were severely lacking was defense, which they now have in Rush and in the paint with Hibbert. Not to mention with Jarrett Jack, who at 6'3" can guard the bigger point guards who give us trouble like Billups. Huge strides forward with that department.

 

My main complaint is what they got for Bayless. They also threw in Ike - who never got a fair shake for Rush and Jack. Were they that concerned about a backup PG? You don't usually trade 2 young promising players for someone you passed in the draft and a backup PG, they didn't even get an extra pick from the Blazers. They got robbed in this deal - sure the Pacers got what they needed but they undersold Bayless. Now we will always look back at this, both franchises. It will hurt if Bayless goes on to be the next Gilbert Arenas.

 

However, time gives us the opportunity for rationality. After getting wasted drunk last night and waking up at 1 p.m. today, I clearly see how improved the Pacers are. What a drastic change in this franchise basically overnight. Once Tinsley's contract is bought out the members of the Brawl are gone. Well besides Foster but he wasn't much of a player in that. They have a true center for the first time since Rik Smits in Hibbert. A guy who can play good defense, rebound, score on the post(we really need this after the departure of JO) and perhaps the most overlooked factor - screening. Hibbert is a great screener, this right here can make Rush a rookie of the year candidate - who excels as an off the ball offensive player.

 

This is a very good post.

 

My problem isn't with Brandon Rush. Earlier in this thread, pre-draft, I advocated him for #11 if Bayless-Gordon-Lopez didn't fall to that spot. However, they did. In my opinion, the Pacers-Blazers trade was made with Portland intent on getting D.J. Augustin at #11 -- which turning Augustin into Rush and Jarrett Jack would've been a great coup for Bird. Instead, Bayless by some miracle dropped to the Pacers and they failed to adjust the deal and capitalize. I like Rush and think he's a near lock to be a solid NBA player, but you don't trade a top-5 talent for him and a backup. The deal was not a good one, no matter what happens. Finally, despite his faults, I like the Hibbert pick. He was one of two guys I wanted at #17.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I wish I could find a specific video..it was Rose when he was @ Simeon, basically he was on a fast break dribbling @ full speed and without breaking stride passed the ball back between his legs to a trailing teammate..it was beautiful...I think his passing ablitlity will really shine in the NBA, provided the Bulls don't ruin him.

[hawkeyecub]

I don't think you can assume out of hand that Rose's assist totals were suppressed by the Memphis system. With nothing else to go on but High School play(relatively useless), it's just as easy an assumption that Rose isn't a super distributor.

 

That's where scouting comes into play, you can't just rely on college statistics. I can't make that call. I do think that he's unselfish and a good enough passer to be a solid distributor.

 

I agree that some Bulls fans are just preaching the same lines and not even acknowledging that it could be a question though.

[TruffleShuffle]

i think the love for mayo deal makes sense, just because i don't think mayo would be a good fit in minnesota. i think he'd want to get the hell out of there ASAP. plus they picked up mike miller, who should be a good fit there.

[UMFan83]

I'm firmly in the camp that believes that Beasley will be better for the next 2-3 years, but Rose will have the better career when all is said and done.

 

However, Beasley's biggest downside is his height. Do not forget that Tyrus was about 6'8 after he was taken after his Frosh year, and now stands around 6'10 1/2 presently. Luol Deng had a similar albeit smaller increase as well.

[Magnetic Curses]

i see beasley as a charles barkley-type player, with perhaps a better outside game.

[Warpticon]

I don't see anybody as a Charles Barkley-type player. I can't imagine every seeing one of those.