Bulls get the #1 pick! 2008 NBA Draft Discussion

[Guest]

so now the question is (a) who is likely to be the #1 pick in 2009, and (b) which team will the NBA rig the draft for to ensure that they get him?

DeRozan

 

Or Jennings.

[snoodmonger]

so now the question is (a) who is likely to be the #1 pick in 2009, and (b) which team will the NBA rig the draft for to ensure that they get him?

DeRozan

 

Or Jennings.

 

 

Blake Griffin? He'll go high, I assume, but could he go one overall?

[TruffleShuffle]

i'm curious about what the sixers are gonna do down the road. they haven't signed iguodala to a long-term deal yet, and turned down a $57M offer last year - a decision which was pretty questionable. thaddeus young showed a lot for a 19 year old last season, but he profiles as a small forward. speights, if he pans out, will be a true power forward, and dalembert is the center - albeit a rather soft center on the offensive end. iguodala cannot play the 2; he just isn't a good enough shooter.

 

not many teams have cap space this offseason, but the FA class is pretty weak. the biggest need is a 2-guard, but who is out there? i could also see them bringing in a power forward. now that billy king is gone (good riddance to signings like kenny thomas and greg buckner), i can see myself getting somewhat interested in the sixers again.

[imb]

so now the question is (a) who is likely to be the #1 pick in 2009, and (b) which team will the NBA rig the draft for to ensure that they get him?

DeRozan

 

Or Jennings.

 

 

Blake Griffin? He'll go high, I assume, but could he go one overall?

 

ESPN, nbadraft.net and CBS.sportsline all have him as No. 1 next year, but it's way too early for that, and like Beasley, I think Griffin is more 6'8 than 6'10

[Guest]

so now the question is (a) who is likely to be the #1 pick in 2009, and (b) which team will the NBA rig the draft for to ensure that they get him?

DeRozan

 

Or Jennings.

 

 

Blake Griffin? He'll go high, I assume, but could he go one overall?

 

Just a highly uneducated guess that the more electric DeRozan or Jennings would go #1. But yeah, IMB!'s post makes it seem like Griffin is the odd's on favorite right now.

 

Sure is a long ways away, though. Obviously no one thought Russell Westbrook would go 4 this time last year.

[snoodmonger]

i'm curious about what the sixers are gonna do down the road. they haven't signed iguodala to a long-term deal yet, and turned down a $57M offer last year - a decision which was pretty questionable. thaddeus young showed a lot for a 19 year old last season, but he profiles as a small forward. speights, if he pans out, will be a true power forward, and dalembert is the center - albeit a rather soft center on the offensive end. iguodala cannot play the 2; he just isn't a good enough shooter.

 

not many teams have cap space this offseason, but the FA class is pretty weak. the biggest need is a 2-guard, but who is out there? i could also see them bringing in a power forward. now that billy king is gone (good riddance to signings like kenny thomas and greg buckner), i can see myself getting somewhat interested in the sixers again.

 

Ben Gordon might be available at the 2. Isn't he a FA or something like that?

[Derwood]

i'm curious about what the sixers are gonna do down the road. they haven't signed iguodala to a long-term deal yet, and turned down a $57M offer last year - a decision which was pretty questionable. thaddeus young showed a lot for a 19 year old last season, but he profiles as a small forward. speights, if he pans out, will be a true power forward, and dalembert is the center - albeit a rather soft center on the offensive end. iguodala cannot play the 2; he just isn't a good enough shooter.

 

not many teams have cap space this offseason, but the FA class is pretty weak. the biggest need is a 2-guard, but who is out there? i could also see them bringing in a power forward. now that billy king is gone (good riddance to signings like kenny thomas and greg buckner), i can see myself getting somewhat interested in the sixers again.

 

Ben Gordon might be available at the 2. Isn't he a FA or something like that?

 

restricted FA, meaning the Bulls can match any offer

[nick23]

I enjoyed the email Bill Simmons got from a reader who was upset Chris Wallace denied everyone the Gay-Love era with his insane trade.

I'm not sure if you're saying the trade was insane or the e-mailer, but I though it was a very solid trade for the Grizzlies.

[CubinNY]

I enjoyed the email Bill Simmons got from a reader who was upset Chris Wallace denied everyone the Gay-Love era with his insane trade.

I'm not sure if you're saying the trade was insane or the e-mailer, but I though it was a very solid trade for the Grizzlies.

Gay. Love. Era., get it?

[nick23]

I enjoyed the email Bill Simmons got from a reader who was upset Chris Wallace denied everyone the Gay-Love era with his insane trade.

I'm not sure if you're saying the trade was insane or the e-mailer, but I though it was a very solid trade for the Grizzlies.

Gay. Love. Era., get it?

I get the Gay, Love thing. I was referring to him calling it an insane trade.

[Outshined_One]

I enjoyed the email Bill Simmons got from a reader who was upset Chris Wallace denied everyone the Gay-Love era with his insane trade.

I'm not sure if you're saying the trade was insane or the e-mailer, but I though it was a very solid trade for the Grizzlies.

Gay. Love. Era., get it?

I get the Gay, Love thing. I was referring to him calling it an insane trade.

 

That was part of the joke.

[David]

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[imb]

Rose really reminds me of Stephon Marbury, only he seemingly isn't off his rocker.

 

Back to Blake Griffin for a second. It sounds like he's going to be a top 5 guy next year and from the looks of it the sonics are going to be a bottom 5 team, fingers crossed.

[rawaction]

Rose really reminds me of Stephon Marbury, only he seemingly isn't off his rocker.

 

 

Marbury was a pretty good player in his prime (age 21-26). Rose is bigger, and a better and more willing passer. Marbury was probably more of a true scorer, but Rose should be able to shoot better than the miserable 30% from 3 that Marbury shot during his prime years.

[CubbieBum]

Rose really reminds me of Stephon Marbury, only he seemingly isn't off his rocker.

 

 

Marbury was a pretty good player in his prime (age 21-26). Rose is bigger, and a better and more willing passer. Marbury was probably more of a true scorer, but Rose should be able to shoot better than the miserable 30% from 3 that Marbury shot during his prime years.

 

 

Marbury averaged 8 assists and sometimes 9 assists per game in each of his first 11 seasons. He was a fine passer. He just played on teams that had one or two other scorers and nothing elese so he shot too much. He has been consistently average with his 3, although his career percentage is .326 so not quite as bad as you say.

[rawaction]

Rose really reminds me of Stephon Marbury, only he seemingly isn't off his rocker.

 

 

Marbury was a pretty good player in his prime (age 21-26). Rose is bigger, and a better and more willing passer. Marbury was probably more of a true scorer, but Rose should be able to shoot better than the miserable 30% from 3 that Marbury shot during his prime years.

 

 

Marbury averaged 8 assists and sometimes 9 assists per game in each of his first 11 seasons. He was a fine passer. He just played on teams that had one or two other scorers and nothing elese so he shot too much. He has been consistently average with his 3, although his career percentage is .326 so not quite as bad as you say.

 

I did say in his prime which was from age 21-26 as I pointed out earlier. He's become a much better shooter with age. 8-9 assists is solid, but I never said Marbury was a bad passer, just not as good as Rose is. And for the record, Marbury never averaged 9 assists in a single season (8.9 twice, only 1 other season over 8.5). Also, I don't see your point that he only played w/ 1 or 2 scorers. First off, how many teams in NBA history have had more than 2 guys you could consider "scorers". Secondly, Marbury played w/ 3-4 others players in Minnesota and NJ who averaged over 12 PPG in every season.

[CubbieBum]

Rose really reminds me of Stephon Marbury, only he seemingly isn't off his rocker.

 

 

Marbury was a pretty good player in his prime (age 21-26). Rose is bigger, and a better and more willing passer. Marbury was probably more of a true scorer, but Rose should be able to shoot better than the miserable 30% from 3 that Marbury shot during his prime years.

 

 

Marbury averaged 8 assists and sometimes 9 assists per game in each of his first 11 seasons. He was a fine passer. He just played on teams that had one or two other scorers and nothing elese so he shot too much. He has been consistently average with his 3, although his career percentage is .326 so not quite as bad as you say.

 

I did say in his prime which was from age 21-26 as I pointed out earlier. He's become a much better shooter with age. 8-9 assists is solid, but I never said Marbury was a bad passer, just not as good as Rose is. And for the record, Marbury never averaged 9 assists in a single season (8.9 twice, only 1 other season over 8.5). Also, I don't see your point that he only played w/ 1 or 2 scorers. First off, how many teams in NBA history have had more than 2 guys you could consider "scorers". Secondly, Marbury played w/ 3-4 others players in Minnesota and NJ who averaged over 12 PPG in every season.

 

I should have clarified more. Averaging 8-9 assists in 9 straight seasons is extremely rare and to say right off the bat Rose is better than that despite never playing in the NBA isn't something that should be done. If he averaged 8 assists this next year I think most Bulls fans would be thrilled. Marbury is 22nd all-time in assists and needs 800 more (averages 533 a season) to be top 10. Marbury may be the most underrated PG of all time (never been a fan of his but just looking at his numbers and the respect level he has) and certainly one of the top PG of this generation.

 

My point with the only playings with one other scorer is he hasn't been on very many if any good teams and thus has shot the ball more than almost any other PG. He's almost universally labeled a ball hog and he is more than say Kidd but you don't get that many assists by hogging the ball all the time.

 

Lastly I miswrote in my first post he averaged 8 or so assists each of his first 9 years not 11 (although I would probably give a lot of blame to Thomas for the last two years. Not everyone plays PG the way he did).

[CubbieBum]

Rose really reminds me of Stephon Marbury, only he seemingly isn't off his rocker.

 

 

Marbury was a pretty good player in his prime (age 21-26). Rose is bigger, and a better and more willing passer. Marbury was probably more of a true scorer, but Rose should be able to shoot better than the miserable 30% from 3 that Marbury shot during his prime years.

 

 

Marbury averaged 8 assists and sometimes 9 assists per game in each of his first 11 seasons. He was a fine passer. He just played on teams that had one or two other scorers and nothing elese so he shot too much. He has been consistently average with his 3, although his career percentage is .326 so not quite as bad as you say.

 

I did say in his prime which was from age 21-26 as I pointed out earlier. He's become a much better shooter with age. 8-9 assists is solid, but I never said Marbury was a bad passer, just not as good as Rose is. And for the record, Marbury never averaged 9 assists in a single season (8.9 twice, only 1 other season over 8.5). Also, I don't see your point that he only played w/ 1 or 2 scorers. First off, how many teams in NBA history have had more than 2 guys you could consider "scorers". Secondly, Marbury played w/ 3-4 others players in Minnesota and NJ who averaged over 12 PPG in every season.

 

I should have clarified more. Averaging 8-9 assists in 9 straight seasons is extremely rare and to say right off the bat Rose is better than that despite never playing in the NBA isn't something that should be done. If he averaged 8 assists this next year I think most Bulls fans would be thrilled. Marbury is 22nd all-time in assists and needs 800 more (averages 533 a season) to be top 10. Marbury may be the most underrated PG of all time (never been a fan of his but just looking at his numbers and the respect level he has) and certainly one of the top PG of this generation.

 

My point with the only playings with one other scorer is he hasn't been on very many if any good teams and thus has shot the ball more than almost any other PG. He's almost universally labeled a ball hog and he is more than say Kidd but you don't get that many assists by hogging the ball all the time.

 

He was inconsistent with his three early in his career. Shooting .360 one year and .280 the next. But 21-26 isn't the prime years to me. At 21 most players are still adjusting to the NBA. I would go with 24-30. In those years Marbury has shot over .300 in all but one year and his average is roughly around .340 in those years.

 

Lastly I miswrote in my first post he averaged 8 or so assists each of his first 9 years not 11 (although I would probably give a lot of blame to Thomas for the last two years. Not everyone plays PG the way he did).

[RynoRules]

Baron Davis and Elton Brand opted out of their contracts last night. This could create another trading partner or two for the Bulls - Hinrich to Golden State? To the Clippers?

 

Brand is likely to re-sign with LA.

[rawaction]

I agree that Marbury was underrated. He was a very good player. Still, I don't think it's a stretch to say Rose is a better handler and passer, just because he's never had the chance to average 8 assists for 9 years. With Deng, Gordon, and Tyrus and Noah to finish, I'd be upset if Rose didn't average 8 assists, assuming he is the primary ballhandler. He may never score 23ppg like Marbury did, but I think he will ultimately be a better player. No knock on Marbury, just shows how much I think of Derrek Rose.

[Magnetic Curses]

I don't see anybody as a Charles Barkley-type player. I can't imagine every seeing one of those.

 

his game compares more to barkley's than anyone else i can think of.

[Magnetic Curses]

I agree that Marbury was underrated. He was a very good player. Still, I don't think it's a stretch to say Rose is a better handler and passer, just because he's never had the chance to average 8 assists for 9 years. With Deng, Gordon, and Tyrus and Noah to finish, I'd be upset if Rose didn't average 8 assists, assuming he is the primary ballhandler. He may never score 23ppg like Marbury did, but I think he will ultimately be a better player. No knock on Marbury, just shows how much I think of Derrek Rose.

 

i just don't see how everyone thinks rose will be this great distributor. he's definitely the most athletic point guard i've seen in a long time, perhaps the strongest as well, but he's not near a sure thing for the league. even if he's an amazing point guard, like marbury, that doesn't mean he will lead us anywhere.

 

i think we missed out on beasley.

[CubbieBum]

I don't see anybody as a Charles Barkley-type player. I can't imagine every seeing one of those.

 

his game compares more to barkley's than anyone else i can think of.

 

Rose isn't going to be a 20-10 guy with the second being Barkley. Barkley hasn't ever really had player like him. No one has been 6'4", able to run like a guard, dunk like a guard, yet fight underneath and rebound better than anyone else on the court.

 

Beasley is much much closer to Barkley than Rose. He's 6'6" but a scoring and rebounding freak who can run and dunk like a guard but I doubt he will ever averaged 25-13 for a good portion of his career.

[hawkeyecub]

I don't see anybody as a Charles Barkley-type player. I can't imagine every seeing one of those.

 

his game compares more to barkley's than anyone else i can think of.

 

Rose isn't going to be a 20-10 guy with the second being Barkley. Barkley hasn't ever really had player like him. No one has been 6'4", able to run like a guard, dunk like a guard, yet fight underneath and rebound better than anyone else on the court.

 

Beasley is much much closer to Barkley than Rose. He's 6'6" but a scoring and rebounding freak who can run and dunk like a guard but I doubt he will ever averaged 25-13 for a good portion of his career.

 

He was talking about Beasley.

[CubbieBum]

I don't see anybody as a Charles Barkley-type player. I can't imagine every seeing one of those.

 

his game compares more to barkley's than anyone else i can think of.

 

Rose isn't going to be a 20-10 guy with the second being Barkley. Barkley hasn't ever really had player like him. No one has been 6'4", able to run like a guard, dunk like a guard, yet fight underneath and rebound better than anyone else on the court.

 

Beasley is much much closer to Barkley than Rose. He's 6'6" but a scoring and rebounding freak who can run and dunk like a guard but I doubt he will ever averaged 25-13 for a good portion of his career.

 

He was talking about Beasley.

 

well that would make more sense :banghead: