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That may be the most ridiculous comparison I've ever read. Michael Bishop was a great college qb, and did not have the intelligence necessary to play in the NFL. I personally knew him (played softball with him in college) and he was one of the dumbest individuals I've ever met. Look at Beasley and his basketball intelligence. There's no comparison, especially considering the sport difference.

 

I haven't heard much good about his intelligence, basketball or otherwise.

 

But I admit, I've only been reading scouting reports and articles on the guys. I'm not a huge college basketball guy.

 

 

I've actually read a couple articles talking about how smart he is on the basketball court. I'll have to find them and link them here.

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The Score is reporting that the Bulls are gauging interest in Hinrich throughout the league.

 

Also that Portland has supposedly come to them and offered up their pick (13th) for him...

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lol Barry Rozner is dumb at to basketball too...

 

Maybe the best move is to deal the pick and get three from New Jersey (10, 21, 40), rebuilding the team and finding a star in a trade, but that kind of radical thinking doesn't seem possible given Paxson's deliberate nature.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=195315

 

The draft basically looks like this talent-wise, imo.

 

1a) Rose

1b) Beasley

 

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3) Brook Lopez

 

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4) Jerryd Bayless (I think he's got an awesome upside. Another year at AZ would have solidified him as the #1 overall pick, imo.)

5) OJ Mayo (Love his talent, although his brain needs a lot of work.)

 

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Everyone else

 

Basically speaking, after those four, you're rolling the dice. The guys with polish have really low ceilings (Hibbert) and the guys with high ceilings have major flaws (Anthony Randolph's 10.5% 3 point completion percentage despite being a wing, Donte Greene's laziness). You might get an All Star, you might get a decent bench guy, or you might get an outright bust. The odds with the top five are rather favorable, but the rest...well, better hope you have a good scouting department if all of those guys are off the board.

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The Score is reporting that the Bulls are gauging interest in Hinrich throughout the league.

 

Also that Portland has supposedly come to them and offered up their pick (13th) for him...

 

That would be a ridiculous deal for the Bulls. That's about what Hinrich is worth, but getting him outta him would be much more valuable.

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The Score is reporting that the Bulls are gauging interest in Hinrich throughout the league.

 

Also that Portland has supposedly come to them and offered up their pick (13th) for him...

 

That would be a ridiculous deal for the Bulls. That's about what Hinrich is worth, but getting him outta him would be much more valuable.

 

How is it ridiculous if that's about what he's worth?

 

If you're going to dump him for Rose anyway, I find an extra mid-first round pick to be entirely palatable.

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The Score is reporting that the Bulls are gauging interest in Hinrich throughout the league.

 

Also that Portland has supposedly come to them and offered up their pick (13th) for him...

 

That would be a ridiculous deal for the Bulls. That's about what Hinrich is worth, but getting him outta him would be much more valuable.

 

How is it ridiculous if that's about what he's worth?

 

If you're going to dump him for Rose anyway, I find an extra mid-first round pick to be entirely palatable.

 

I'd think if the Bulls were going to make that trade with Portland, a possibility would be draft Beasley at #1 and maybe go for DJ Augustin or Westbrook at 13. There's actually a decent chance Eric Gordon could be there too.

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The Score is reporting that the Bulls are gauging interest in Hinrich throughout the league.

 

Also that Portland has supposedly come to them and offered up their pick (13th) for him...

 

That would be a ridiculous deal for the Bulls. That's about what Hinrich is worth, but getting him outta him would be much more valuable.

 

How is it ridiculous if that's about what he's worth?

 

If you're going to dump him for Rose anyway, I find an extra mid-first round pick to be entirely palatable.

 

 

I'm pretty sure he meant ridiculous in a good way.

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The Score is reporting that the Bulls are gauging interest in Hinrich throughout the league.

 

Also that Portland has supposedly come to them and offered up their pick (13th) for him...

 

That would be a ridiculous deal for the Bulls. That's about what Hinrich is worth, but getting him outta him would be much more valuable.

 

How is it ridiculous if that's about what he's worth?

 

If you're going to dump him for Rose anyway, I find an extra mid-first round pick to be entirely palatable.

 

 

I'm pretty sure he meant ridiculous in a good way.

 

He's worth the 13th pick in the draft? The 13th pick must be pretty useless.

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I love the negativity in this thread around Beasley. So none of you believe another 20-10 guy would drastically help the Bulls? I think PG is overrated in the NBA. I'd take Beasley over Rose in a heartbeat. You get a sure 20-10 guy in Beasley, which is something the Bulls are lacking in the post. Rose wasn't even considered a top 2 pick until his play in the tourney. I personally think that everyone's hard on for him is strictly because of his Chicago ties. Beasley is a no miss pick IMO. He was bar none the best player in college basketball this year, or possibly in the last 10 years... no doubt about it.

I don't think there's any irrational love for Rose because he's from the Chicago area, that didn't turn out so well last time (see: Eddy Curry). If there's any irrational love for Rose, it is because he's a PG, and any self respecting Bulls fan should have an affinity for a star PG that can run the show (see: Michael Jordan).

 

That said, I want Rose because I'd take a PG over an inside guy every time if the two players are otherwise equals in talent/ability at their position. The PG is the leader of the team, and is more important than a forward.

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I love the negativity in this thread around Beasley. So none of you believe another 20-10 guy would drastically help the Bulls? I think PG is overrated in the NBA. I'd take Beasley over Rose in a heartbeat. You get a sure 20-10 guy in Beasley, which is something the Bulls are lacking in the post. Rose wasn't even considered a top 2 pick until his play in the tourney. I personally think that everyone's hard on for him is strictly because of his Chicago ties. Beasley is a no miss pick IMO. He was bar none the best player in college basketball this year, or possibly in the last 10 years... no doubt about it.

I don't think there's any irrational love for Rose because he's from the Chicago area, that didn't turn out so well last time (see: Eddy Curry). If there's any irrational love for Rose, it is because he's a PG, and any self respecting Bulls fan should have an affinity for a star PG that can run the show (see: Michael Jordan).

 

 

Jordan wasn't a PG, but I'm with you on the general point.

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I love the negativity in this thread around Beasley. So none of you believe another 20-10 guy would drastically help the Bulls? I think PG is overrated in the NBA. I'd take Beasley over Rose in a heartbeat. You get a sure 20-10 guy in Beasley, which is something the Bulls are lacking in the post. Rose wasn't even considered a top 2 pick until his play in the tourney. I personally think that everyone's hard on for him is strictly because of his Chicago ties. Beasley is a no miss pick IMO. He was bar none the best player in college basketball this year, or possibly in the last 10 years... no doubt about it.

I don't think there's any irrational love for Rose because he's from the Chicago area, that didn't turn out so well last time (see: Eddy Curry). If there's any irrational love for Rose, it is because he's a PG, and any self respecting Bulls fan should have an affinity for a star PG that can run the show (see: Michael Jordan).

 

 

Jordan wasn't a PG, but I'm with you on the general point.

Technically no, but it's hard to argue that he wasn't doing his share running the offense before the first retirement. The offense was all Pippens after he came back the first time.
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Calipari convinced me to pick Rose on PTI.

 

What'd he say?

 

Basically that he thought that Rose has good mechanics on his shot and would become a good shooter. And that he is 6'4, is incredibly physically gifted, and has a great work ethic.

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Calipari convinced me to pick Rose on PTI.

 

What'd he say?

 

Basically that he thought that Rose has good mechanics on his shot and would become a good shooter. And that he is 6'4, is incredibly physically gifted, and has a great work ethic.

 

I'm sold on him.

 

I don't see a real reason to draft Beasley over him. I'm sure he'll be great, but the idea that he fills our need for a big man down low seems hollow to me, as Beasley's only 6'9" or 6'10". He's not that monster in the middle that I would want to see if I'm going to forego the opportunity to draft the next superstar NBA PG.

 

I don't know how everyone else feels about it. But that's how I'm looking at it.

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Soul, Beasley's not even 6'10". He's probably closer to 6'8" when he gets measured up. I'm with you though (heh, it's not often this happens)...and the Bulls can go a whole host of different ways to acquire a veteran inside scoring presence using the excess in guards (and maybe Tyrus Thomas) they'll have once Rose comes on board.
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If Portland has offered the 13th pick for Hinrich we'd be fools not to jump all over it. Unload that horrible contract and get something decent in return?

 

BTW, there is no way Westbrook will be there at 13. Augustin is a "maybe, but unlikely", as is Gordon. All of those guys are likely top 10.

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The Score is reporting that the Bulls are gauging interest in Hinrich throughout the league.

 

Also that Portland has supposedly come to them and offered up their pick (13th) for him...

 

That would be a ridiculous deal for the Bulls. That's about what Hinrich is worth, but getting him outta him would be much more valuable.

 

How is it ridiculous if that's about what he's worth?

 

If you're going to dump him for Rose anyway, I find an extra mid-first round pick to be entirely palatable.

 

I'd think if the Bulls were going to make that trade with Portland, a possibility would be draft Beasley at #1 and maybe go for DJ Augustin or Westbrook at 13. There's actually a decent chance Eric Gordon could be there too.

 

I'm not sure you'll see any of those 3 at 13. I don't think pretty much anybody has Gordon slipping past Milwaukee at 8. The Pacers will almost certainly take 1 of them at 11, and pretty much in all the projections the other one was either taken in the top 10, or Sacramento was very happy to grab them at 12.

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http://podloc.andohs.net/dloadTrack.mp3?prm=2031xhttp://query-origin.andohs.net/8000A6/content-root3.andomedia.com/origin/mp3/espnradio/dailydish/nbadish080522.mp3

 

Chad Ford interview with Paxson...

 

He gave a run down of the things he looks for in a player and he really focused on wanting a difference maker and a leader..."a guy who can establish the pecking order on this roster" (or words to that effect)... Said this finally gives the team an opportunity to perhaps get that special type of player.

 

 

Chad Ford basically followed that with, "It sounds like you're describing Derrick Rose." Paxson basically dismissed that a bit but didn't really deny it. Just said that he's describing the type of player he liked.

 

 

He also blasted the report out of the Florida paper saying that we're set on Beasley. Says they aren't leaning either way as of yet, as there are no LeBrons in this draft.

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...and the Bulls can go a whole host of different ways to acquire a veteran inside scoring presence using the excess in guards (and maybe Tyrus Thomas) they'll have once Rose comes on board.

This is huge. Rose's vorp is much higher than Beasley's.

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