Bulls get the #1 pick! 2008 NBA Draft Discussion

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I will repeat: If Paxson doesn't take Rose, he should be dragged out into the street and shot (figuratively, of course).

 

You do not have the capacity to win big without a near superstar playing at one of the guard positions. They can control the game and a big man, no matter how good, can't do that. Shaq didn't win until he had Kobe and Wade. Duncan doesn't win without Parker and Ginobili and Sean Elliott before them. Olajuwon doesn't win without Cassell. You won't be great without great guard play.

 

If Rose isn't the pick, the Bulls will kill their chances for success for the next 5-10 years.

+1. We don't need another PF-SF tweener.

[tadowdaddy]

I love the negativity in this thread around Beasley. So none of you believe another 20-10 guy would drastically help the Bulls? I think PG is overrated in the NBA. I'd take Beasley over Rose in a heartbeat. You get a sure 20-10 guy in Beasley, which is something the Bulls are lacking in the post. Rose wasn't even considered a top 2 pick until his play in the tourney. I personally think that everyone's hard on for him is strictly because of his Chicago ties. Beasley is a no miss pick IMO. He was bar none the best player in college basketball this year, or possibly in the last 10 years... no doubt about it.

[wolf stansson]

I love the negativity in this thread around Beasley. So none of you believe another 20-10 guy would drastically help the Bulls? I think PG is overrated in the NBA. I'd take Beasley over Rose in a heartbeat. You get a sure 20-10 guy in Beasley, which is something the Bulls are lacking in the post. Rose wasn't even considered a top 2 pick until his play in the tourney. I personally think that everyone's hard on for him is strictly because of his Chicago ties. Beasley is a no miss pick IMO. He was bar none the best player in college basketball this year, or possibly in the last 10 years... no doubt about it.

Nice avatar.

[pitchcs]

I love the negativity in this thread around Beasley. So none of you believe another 20-10 guy would drastically help the Bulls? I think PG is overrated in the NBA. I'd take Beasley over Rose in a heartbeat. You get a sure 20-10 guy in Beasley, which is something the Bulls are lacking in the post. Rose wasn't even considered a top 2 pick until his play in the tourney. I personally think that everyone's hard on for him is strictly because of his Chicago ties. Beasley is a no miss pick IMO. He was bar none the best player in college basketball this year, or possibly in the last 10 years... no doubt about it.

 

 

These are some fairly ridiculous statements...

 

1) A sure 20-10 guy? Not so sure about that

 

2) Rose wasn't considered a top 2 pick? Rose was always considered a top pick, Beasley was not. If those two could have went straight to the NBA from HS, there is no doubt that Rose would have been picked higher (probably 3rd overall behind Oden and Durant)

 

3) Beasley was not the best college player over the last 10 years. Stats wise, close...but he played for Kansas freaking State. Kevin Durant laughs at your thought on that.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Rose wasn't even considered a top 2 pick until his play in the tourney. .

 

Yeah, that's not true.

[David]

I love the negativity in this thread around Beasley. So none of you believe another 20-10 guy would drastically help the Bulls? I think PG is overrated in the NBA. I'd take Beasley over Rose in a heartbeat. You get a sure 20-10 guy in Beasley, which is something the Bulls are lacking in the post. Rose wasn't even considered a top 2 pick until his play in the tourney. I personally think that everyone's hard on for him is strictly because of his Chicago ties. Beasley is a no miss pick IMO. He was bar none the best player in college basketball this year, or possibly in the last 10 years... no doubt about it.

Nice avatar.

 

Beat me to it.

 

 

lulz

[SpongeWorthy]

I love the negativity in this thread around Beasley. So none of you believe another 20-10 guy would drastically help the Bulls? I think PG is overrated in the NBA. I'd take Beasley over Rose in a heartbeat. You get a sure 20-10 guy in Beasley, which is something the Bulls are lacking in the post. Rose wasn't even considered a top 2 pick until his play in the tourney. I personally think that everyone's hard on for him is strictly because of his Chicago ties. Beasley is a no miss pick IMO. He was bar none the best player in college basketball this year, or possibly in the last 10 years... no doubt about it.

 

I don't see a lot of negativity. I see people really high on Rose because he's an outstanding talent and fills a great area of need for the Bulls. I think most people expect Beasley to be great and would be the clear cut #1 selection--for the Bulls, or most any other team--if Rose weren't in the draft.

 

But calling him a sure 20-10 guy in the pros is ridiculous. Even Duncan and KG aren't doing that any more--few do.

 

Also best college player does not equate to best prospect. How'd Michael Bishop's pro career turned out?

[rawaction]

I will repeat: If Paxson doesn't take Rose, he should be dragged out into the street and shot (figuratively, of course).

 

You do not have the capacity to win big without a near superstar playing at one of the guard positions. They can control the game and a big man, no matter how good, can't do that. Shaq didn't win until he had Kobe and Wade. Duncan doesn't win without Parker and Ginobili and Sean Elliott before them. Olajuwon doesn't win without Cassell. You won't be great without great guard play.

 

If Rose isn't the pick, the Bulls will kill their chances for success for the next 5-10 years.

 

Are you seriously arguing that Parker, Ginobili, and Cassell were more important to championships than Duncan and The Dream? That's a joke. That's like saying Jordan didn't win til he got Bill Cartwright. Also, what has Kobe won without Shaq? What do you forsee Wade winning without Shaq? Shaq got to the finals with Penny Hardaway, Nick Anderson, and Dennis Scott...all guys that were on their way out of the league soon as Shaq left Orlando.

[rawaction]

I love the negativity in this thread around Beasley. So none of you believe another 20-10 guy would drastically help the Bulls? I think PG is overrated in the NBA. I'd take Beasley over Rose in a heartbeat. You get a sure 20-10 guy in Beasley, which is something the Bulls are lacking in the post. Rose wasn't even considered a top 2 pick until his play in the tourney. I personally think that everyone's hard on for him is strictly because of his Chicago ties. Beasley is a no miss pick IMO. He was bar none the best player in college basketball this year, or possibly in the last 10 years... no doubt about it.

 

I don't see a lot of negativity. I see people really high on Rose because he's an outstanding talent and fills a great area of need for the Bulls. I think most people expect Beasley to be great and would be the clear cut #1 selection--for the Bulls, or most any other team--if Rose weren't in the draft.

 

But calling him a sure 20-10 guy in the pros is ridiculous. Even Duncan and KG aren't doing that any more--few do.

 

Also best college player does not equate to best prospect. How'd Michael Bishop's pro career turned out?

 

I'm pretty sure Beasley will be a 20-10 guy, pretty much right off the bat, and that's without the luxury of going to a team where he will be the defacto #1 option (Bulls, Heat) unlike Durant.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I love the negativity in this thread around Beasley. So none of you believe another 20-10 guy would drastically help the Bulls? I think PG is overrated in the NBA. I'd take Beasley over Rose in a heartbeat. You get a sure 20-10 guy in Beasley, which is something the Bulls are lacking in the post. Rose wasn't even considered a top 2 pick until his play in the tourney. I personally think that everyone's hard on for him is strictly because of his Chicago ties. Beasley is a no miss pick IMO. He was bar none the best player in college basketball this year, or possibly in the last 10 years... no doubt about it.

I don't see a lot of negativity, but I do think he's being underrated here a bit. he may not light the league on fire with 20-10 numbers his first year, but I think he'll come pretty close. I personally don't think either Rose or Beasley would be a bad pick for the Bulls, and I can understand why both sides want each player. I think Rose is an overall better fit if they can move Hinrich.

[David]

I will repeat: If Paxson doesn't take Rose, he should be dragged out into the street and shot (figuratively, of course).

 

You do not have the capacity to win big without a near superstar playing at one of the guard positions. They can control the game and a big man, no matter how good, can't do that. Shaq didn't win until he had Kobe and Wade. Duncan doesn't win without Parker and Ginobili and Sean Elliott before them. Olajuwon doesn't win without Cassell. You won't be great without great guard play.

 

If Rose isn't the pick, the Bulls will kill their chances for success for the next 5-10 years.

 

Are you seriously arguing that Parker, Ginobili, and Cassell were more important to championships than Duncan and The Dream? That's a joke. That's like saying Jordan didn't win til he got Bill Cartwright. Also, what has Kobe won without Shaq? What do you forsee Wade winning without Shaq? Shaq got to the finals with Penny Hardaway, Nick Anderson, and Dennis Scott...all guys that were on their way out of the league soon as Shaq left Orlando.

 

 

That example's not gonna last very long...

 

At least you'll get some use out of it before it's obsolete. :wink:

 

And Penny was a stud, Shaq or no Shaq. Injuries derailed his career.

[rawaction]

I will repeat: If Paxson doesn't take Rose, he should be dragged out into the street and shot (figuratively, of course).

 

You do not have the capacity to win big without a near superstar playing at one of the guard positions. They can control the game and a big man, no matter how good, can't do that. Shaq didn't win until he had Kobe and Wade. Duncan doesn't win without Parker and Ginobili and Sean Elliott before them. Olajuwon doesn't win without Cassell. You won't be great without great guard play.

 

If Rose isn't the pick, the Bulls will kill their chances for success for the next 5-10 years.

 

Are you seriously arguing that Parker, Ginobili, and Cassell were more important to championships than Duncan and The Dream? That's a joke. That's like saying Jordan didn't win til he got Bill Cartwright. Also, what has Kobe won without Shaq? What do you forsee Wade winning without Shaq? Shaq got to the finals with Penny Hardaway, Nick Anderson, and Dennis Scott...all guys that were on their way out of the league soon as Shaq left Orlando.

 

 

That example's not gonna last very long...

 

At least you'll get some use out of it before it's obsolete. :wink:

 

And Penny was a stud, Shaq or no Shaq. Injuries derailed his career.

 

Skinny Hardaway was weak. And yeah, I'm glad I got to use that example before mid-june when I likely can't anymore!

[mul21]

I will repeat: If Paxson doesn't take Rose, he should be dragged out into the street and shot (figuratively, of course).

 

You do not have the capacity to win big without a near superstar playing at one of the guard positions. They can control the game and a big man, no matter how good, can't do that. Shaq didn't win until he had Kobe and Wade. Duncan doesn't win without Parker and Ginobili and Sean Elliott before them. Olajuwon doesn't win without Cassell. You won't be great without great guard play.

 

If Rose isn't the pick, the Bulls will kill their chances for success for the next 5-10 years.

 

Are you seriously arguing that Parker, Ginobili, and Cassell were more important to championships than Duncan and The Dream? That's a joke. That's like saying Jordan didn't win til he got Bill Cartwright. Also, what has Kobe won without Shaq? What do you forsee Wade winning without Shaq? Shaq got to the finals with Penny Hardaway, Nick Anderson, and Dennis Scott...all guys that were on their way out of the league soon as Shaq left Orlando.

 

I didn't say that. I'm simply saying that a very good to even great big man will not be able to carry a team to a champioship without great guard play. A great guard can, however, carry a team to a championship with just adequate/above average big man play. See: Jordan's Bulls, Isaiah Thomas's Pistons, very nearly Drexler's Blazers (though not a great example).

[RedFlash]

It would be amazing if the Bulls could get Miami's #2 pick, to go along with the #1 pick. How cool would it be if the Bulls walked out of the NBA Draft in June with both Rose AND Beasley? But if not, I much rather have Derrek Rose. Not only would it be a great PR move, but he is a legit PG, who is a legit #1 pick. So it's not like they would be overdrafting a kid for a PR Stunt. I won't cry if the Bulls got Beasley, but I don't like the thought of putting Beasley on the same court as say Hughes and Hinrich. His development would be hurt more playing with those two chuckleheads. IMO, Rose could help improve the developments of Thomas/Noah moreso then Hinrich with Beasley. Rose or Beasley, this is a good problem to have, but I take Rose over Beasley, because you can find a decent scoring option at PF (in fact a combo of Gooden and Thomas may be as effective as Beasley his first season).

[SpongeWorthy]

I love the negativity in this thread around Beasley. So none of you believe another 20-10 guy would drastically help the Bulls? I think PG is overrated in the NBA. I'd take Beasley over Rose in a heartbeat. You get a sure 20-10 guy in Beasley, which is something the Bulls are lacking in the post. Rose wasn't even considered a top 2 pick until his play in the tourney. I personally think that everyone's hard on for him is strictly because of his Chicago ties. Beasley is a no miss pick IMO. He was bar none the best player in college basketball this year, or possibly in the last 10 years... no doubt about it.

 

I don't see a lot of negativity. I see people really high on Rose because he's an outstanding talent and fills a great area of need for the Bulls. I think most people expect Beasley to be great and would be the clear cut #1 selection--for the Bulls, or most any other team--if Rose weren't in the draft.

 

But calling him a sure 20-10 guy in the pros is ridiculous. Even Duncan and KG aren't doing that any more--few do.

 

Also best college player does not equate to best prospect. How'd Michael Bishop's pro career turned out?

 

I'm pretty sure Beasley will be a 20-10 guy, pretty much right off the bat, and that's without the luxury of going to a team where he will be the defacto #1 option (Bulls, Heat) unlike Durant.

 

It's very possible but by no means a slam dunk (no pun intended). Only Howard, Boozer, Jamison, and Jefferson did it this year. All of those players outside of maybe Jamison are going to play around the basket much more than Beasley will.

 

Durant's rebounding rate fell a lot once he turned pro--mainly because he's a 2 guard and I expect Beasley's will do something similar.

 

20/10 for a rookie is very rare. Who has done it since Brand?

[UMFan83]

It would be amazing if the Bulls could get Miami's #2 pick, to go along with the #1 pick. How cool would it be if the Bulls walked out of the NBA Draft in June with both Rose AND Beasley? But if not, I much rather have Derrek Rose. Not only would it be a great PR move, but he is a legit PG, who is a legit #1 pick. So it's not like they would be overdrafting a kid for a PR Stunt. I won't cry if the Bulls got Beasley, but I don't like the thought of putting Beasley on the same court as say Hughes and Hinrich. His development would be hurt more playing with those two chuckleheads. IMO, Rose could help improve the developments of Thomas/Noah moreso then Hinrich with Beasley. Rose or Beasley, this is a good problem to have, but I take Rose over Beasley, because you can find a decent scoring option at PF (in fact a combo of Gooden and Thomas may be as effective as Beasley his first season).

 

I bet it would take a lot in order to pry the number 2 pick away. Probably something like Hinrich, ST Deng, Thomas, 2009 1st for #2 and filler

[David]

FWIW, I don't really buy that report I posted from the south Florida paper. I highly doubt that Paxson had given this much thought before the #1 pick fell in his lap. The idea that he'd formulate such a "plan" after one day is pretty absurd to me.

 

He's going to do a fair amount of homework (including seeing what he can get in terms of consolidating either forwards or guards in a trade(s)) and will watch both guys in workouts and everything.

 

We'll see. I'm really hoping he decides on Rose, though.

[hawkeyecub]

1. As a Pistons fan I hope they take Beasley. Beasley will be an All-Star and is a safe pick at least on the offensive end for a number of years. Rose has the higher upside in terms of what he can do for a team as a whole. If he turns out the way I think he will, you have a legit contender in 2-3 years if Pax doesn't screw it up.

 

2. Where are people getting this talk of the Bulls landing the #2 pick from the Heat? It reminds me of last year when some people suggested the Blazers could trade for the #4 pick to package Conley with Oden. Then everyone realized that in order to do that, you would basically be left with just Conley, Oden and a bunch of scraps.

[David]

1. As a Pistons fan I hope they take Beasley. Beasley will be an All-Star and is a safe pick at least on the offensive end for a number of years. Rose has the higher upside in terms of what he can do for a team as a whole. If he turns out the way I think he will, you have a legit contender in 2-3 years if Pax doesn't screw it up.

 

2. Where are people getting this talk of the Bulls landing the #2 pick from the Heat? It reminds me of last year when some people suggested the Blazers could trade for the #4 pick to package Conley with Oden. Then everyone realized that in order to do that, you would basically be left with just Conley, Oden and a bunch of scraps.

 

Wishful thinking. Not a chance in hell it happens.

[tadowdaddy]

I love the negativity in this thread around Beasley. So none of you believe another 20-10 guy would drastically help the Bulls? I think PG is overrated in the NBA. I'd take Beasley over Rose in a heartbeat. You get a sure 20-10 guy in Beasley, which is something the Bulls are lacking in the post. Rose wasn't even considered a top 2 pick until his play in the tourney. I personally think that everyone's hard on for him is strictly because of his Chicago ties. Beasley is a no miss pick IMO. He was bar none the best player in college basketball this year, or possibly in the last 10 years... no doubt about it.

 

I don't see a lot of negativity. I see people really high on Rose because he's an outstanding talent and fills a great area of need for the Bulls. I think most people expect Beasley to be great and would be the clear cut #1 selection--for the Bulls, or most any other team--if Rose weren't in the draft.

 

But calling him a sure 20-10 guy in the pros is ridiculous. Even Duncan and KG aren't doing that any more--few do.

 

Also best college player does not equate to best prospect. How'd Michael Bishop's pro career turned out?

 

That may be the most ridiculous comparison I've ever read. Michael Bishop was a great college qb, and did not have the intelligence necessary to play in the NFL. I personally knew him (played softball with him in college) and he was one of the dumbest individuals I've ever met. Look at Beasley and his basketball intelligence. There's no comparison, especially considering the sport difference.

[tadowdaddy]

I love the negativity in this thread around Beasley. So none of you believe another 20-10 guy would drastically help the Bulls? I think PG is overrated in the NBA. I'd take Beasley over Rose in a heartbeat. You get a sure 20-10 guy in Beasley, which is something the Bulls are lacking in the post. Rose wasn't even considered a top 2 pick until his play in the tourney. I personally think that everyone's hard on for him is strictly because of his Chicago ties. Beasley is a no miss pick IMO. He was bar none the best player in college basketball this year, or possibly in the last 10 years... no doubt about it.

 

 

These are some fairly ridiculous statements...

 

1) A sure 20-10 guy? Not so sure about that

 

2) Rose wasn't considered a top 2 pick? Rose was always considered a top pick, Beasley was not. If those two could have went straight to the NBA from HS, there is no doubt that Rose would have been picked higher (probably 3rd overall behind Oden and Durant)

 

3) Beasley was not the best college player over the last 10 years. Stats wise, close...but he played for Kansas freaking State. Kevin Durant laughs at your thought on that.

 

EXACTLY! And he was double/triple teamed EVERY game because we didn't have anyone else that could step up. He had those numbers without the luxury of straight up defenses. Thanks for helping me to make my point!

[wolf stansson]

1. As a Pistons fan I hope they take Beasley. Beasley will be an All-Star and is a safe pick at least on the offensive end for a number of years. Rose has the higher upside in terms of what he can do for a team as a whole. If he turns out the way I think he will, you have a legit contender in 2-3 years if Pax doesn't screw it up.

 

2. Where are people getting this talk of the Bulls landing the #2 pick from the Heat? It reminds me of last year when some people suggested the Blazers could trade for the #4 pick to package Conley with Oden. Then everyone realized that in order to do that, you would basically be left with just Conley, Oden and a bunch of scraps.

 

Wishful thinking. Not a chance in hell it happens.

We've done it before. Didn't turn out so hot.

[David]

lol Barry Rozner is dumb at to basketball too...

 

Maybe the best move is to deal the pick and get three from New Jersey (10, 21, 40), rebuilding the team and finding a star in a trade, but that kind of radical thinking doesn't seem possible given Paxson's deliberate nature.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=195315

[David]

 

That may be the most ridiculous comparison I've ever read. Michael Bishop was a great college qb, and did not have the intelligence necessary to play in the NFL. I personally knew him (played softball with him in college) and he was one of the dumbest individuals I've ever met. Look at Beasley and his basketball intelligence. There's no comparison, especially considering the sport difference.

 

I haven't heard much good about his intelligence, basketball or otherwise.

 

But I admit, I've only been reading scouting reports and articles on the guys. I'm not a huge college basketball guy.

[David]

1. As a Pistons fan I hope they take Beasley. Beasley will be an All-Star and is a safe pick at least on the offensive end for a number of years. Rose has the higher upside in terms of what he can do for a team as a whole. If he turns out the way I think he will, you have a legit contender in 2-3 years if Pax doesn't screw it up.

 

2. Where are people getting this talk of the Bulls landing the #2 pick from the Heat? It reminds me of last year when some people suggested the Blazers could trade for the #4 pick to package Conley with Oden. Then everyone realized that in order to do that, you would basically be left with just Conley, Oden and a bunch of scraps.

 

Wishful thinking. Not a chance in hell it happens.

We've done it before. Didn't turn out so hot.

 

Don't remind me.