Bulls get the #1 pick! 2008 NBA Draft Discussion

[Guest]

I think most mock drafts right now just go as the mockers' rankings of players and haven't devoted too much thought to individual workouts or team preferences and how those might shift.

 

But I will repeat...Rose > Beasley.

[bukie]

Rose > Beasley, but if there were a way for the Bulls to somehow get both, sign me up. Rose + Beasley > Hinrich + Deng.

[Tyrant]

Memphis runs a very complicated offense. It took Rose about a third of the season to really figure everything out and get comfortable. Check out his T/O assist ratio from midseason on, it's pretty impressive. And once the tournament started he cut his turnovers down even more. He's just so strong and quick that he can get his shot off at will. He also finishes well after contact. One more thing to realize, he only played like 25 minutes a game last year. So in reality his numbers could've been a lot better. He also seems like a really great kid. Coach Calipari couldn't have talked any better about him throughout the season. How many high school players with as much hype as him would be willing to come in and only play 25 minutes a game and defer to another player like Rose did all year. All he cares about is winning. I probably saw every minute of his season and I'm telling you, if the Bulls take him you're all in for a treat.

I've never heard of a good character guy playing for Calipari. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

That's silly.

[rawaction]

 

Is Beasley that much better than and / or does he have a skill set that is appreciably different from that of Drew Gooden? (answer = no)

 

This answer is completely wrong. Beasley is to Drew Gooden what Rose is to Kirk Hinrich. Gooden's game can't hold a candle to Beasley's. Beasley is taller, 150X the athlete, a better leaper, a better shooter, actually has offensive moves, is a better ball handler, can hit a shot outside of 12 feet and will probably be a better rebounder.

 

And I would undoubtedly pick Rose over Beasley, so that's saying something.

[killthegoat06]

I am SO pumped. Last season was such a disappointemnt...now they can be watchable again.

[Outshined_One]

On a fun note, the Bulls managed to get a $5.2m trade exception in the Wallace/Gooden trade earlier in the season. It should help a lot if the Bulls want to swing any big deals in the offseason.

 

And if the Bulls could somehow get the #2 pick from the Heat, well, that'd be one of the craziest and bestest days of my sports life.

[David]

Memphis runs a very complicated offense. It took Rose about a third of the season to really figure everything out and get comfortable. Check out his T/O assist ratio from midseason on, it's pretty impressive. And once the tournament started he cut his turnovers down even more. He's just so strong and quick that he can get his shot off at will. He also finishes well after contact. One more thing to realize, he only played like 25 minutes a game last year. So in reality his numbers could've been a lot better. He also seems like a really great kid. Coach Calipari couldn't have talked any better about him throughout the season. How many high school players with as much hype as him would be willing to come in and only play 25 minutes a game and defer to another player like Rose did all year. All he cares about is winning. I probably saw every minute of his season and I'm telling you, if the Bulls take him you're all in for a treat.

I've never heard of a good character guy playing for Calipari. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

That's silly.

 

Yea.... that is pretty ridiculous.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

The previous poster was right....Calapari's system is not condusive(sp?) to assists. That pretty much kills the Rose/Low Assist #'s argument...Also Beasley does most of his damage facing the basket..so he isn't the low post savior for the Bulls. People talk about Gooden, but what about Tyrus Thomas? Imagine what a great PG could do for him.

[illiniguy]

What would Denver want for Carmelo? Deng and?

Deng replaces Anthony

 

Are the Bulls packaging 10 points a game in the trade along with Deng to cover for Carmelo?

Yeah, I figure since Deng at least runs down to the defensive end each time up the court he probably makes up for the lasck of 10ppg. Really, do you think the Nuggets problem is lack of scoring? It's called guarding someone, Anthony can't do it at all. It really is too bad too because no one can guard him and if he worked at all on his defense he would be so great.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Deng is not enough to get Anthony..even though Luol does play D, he is much more limited offensively.

[wolf stansson]

What would Denver want for Carmelo? Deng and?

Deng replaces Anthony

 

Are the Bulls packaging 10 points a game in the trade along with Deng to cover for Carmelo?

Nice edit job.

What would Denver want for Carmelo? Deng and?

Deng replaces Anthony, Hinrich moves AI to SG. Bam.

Last I checked, yes, they would. Hinrich scores around 14.

 

Nice try.

[Guest]

I would pass on Anthony and look elsewhere, but that's me.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

However, if Denver is willing to deal us Melo, I definetly think we would accomodate him

 

http://www.fourseasons.com/chicagorc/

[Flames24Rulz]

I would pass on Anthony and look elsewhere, but that's me.

 

I'd rather take Brand too, but his injuries kind of scare me. Then again, Anthony's lack of defense also scares me. Either way though, I'd take either of them over the current crop of guys that we have on our team.

[David]

Rose, Thabo/Gordon/Hughes, Melo, Thomas, Noah

 

 

Wow..

[Magnetic Curses]

I think most mock drafts right now just go as the mockers' rankings of players and haven't devoted too much thought to individual workouts or team preferences and how those might shift.

 

But I will repeat...Rose > Beasley.

 

i don't think there's enough of a difference to really justify strong feelings either way.

 

the bulls are getting a potential superstar, period.

[rawaction]

Melo doesn't provide anything but a go-to scorer, but his poor defense and bad shot selection hurt him as a player. Not to mention the fact that he is unable or unwilling to pass the ball. That being said, Deng isn't all that great at those things either. I'd definitely look somewhere other than Melo though, rather get a legit post scorer or someone who can develop into that.

[Guest]

Rose, Thabo/Gordon/Hughes, Melo, Thomas, Noah

 

 

Wow..

 

TT would be the best defender. Maybe Rose after a few years.

 

That team could run but not beat the Pistons or Celtics or the Lebrons.

[chuckywang]

Paxson confirmed Bulls are only going to be looking at Rose and Beasley.

 

This comes to you from the "Well, obviously" department, but it's nice to get confirmation.

[imb]

Paxson confirmed Bulls are only going to be looking at Rose and Beasley.

 

This comes to you from the "Well, obviously" department, but it's nice to get confirmation.

 

Smoke screen. Kevin Love is a good Chicago showing from a No. 1 pick.

[RedFlash]

I would not be at all disappointed if the Bulls walked out of the draft with Beasley or Rose (and I would be beyond estatic if the Bulls can somehow acquire the Heat pick), but the reality is, Hinrich has more trade value then Gooden/Thomas thus, you can get a better value in return for Hinrich then Gooden and/or Thomas. IMO, as much as Beasley will be a great player in the NBA, Rose is a more pressing need. Hinrich is a fine player, but Rose is everything Hinrich is not. Rose to Thomas or Noah, would be the Bulls version of Paul to Chandler, or Williams, to Boozer. Every great team needs a great floor general, and this yr especially, Hinrich seemed to disappear to often.

 

I love Beasley's game, and he'll be a monster (and if the Bulls could somehow trade for the Heat #2 pick, IDK what I would do), but the fact is....Rose is...A: plays a position that is surely needed. B: Would provide the instant PR move the Bulls need to get interest back into the team. IMO, if the draft happened tomorrow, Rose would/could and SHOULD be the pick.

 

Now, if the Heat would consider a deal of the 2nd pick, I would love to walk out of the draft with Rose AND Beasley.

[rawaction]

I think if the Bulls were able to trade with the Heat and get the #2 pick, they would immediately spin it to another team. Of course, if the Heat truly don't want Beasley, and the Bulls pick Rose, every team in the NBA will be after the 2 spot.

[RynoRules]

 

Is Beasley that much better than and / or does he have a skill set that is appreciably different from that of Drew Gooden? (answer = no)

 

This answer is completely wrong. Beasley is to Drew Gooden what Rose is to Kirk Hinrich. Gooden's game can't hold a candle to Beasley's. Beasley is taller, 150X the athlete, a better leaper, a better shooter, actually has offensive moves, is a better ball handler, can hit a shot outside of 12 feet and will probably be a better rebounder.

 

And I would undoubtedly pick Rose over Beasley, so that's saying something.

 

I disagree. Gooden is a better rebounder and shot blocker than Beasley, and based on Beasley's apparent aversion to playing defense, this may always be the case. Beasley might have a better face up game and is taller, I will grant you that. Other than that, the difference is minimal and based on athletic ability, which is not necessarily a good barometer for who the better basketball player is.

 

From Hollinger's scouting report:

 

Scouting report: Gooden's best asset isn't his scoring, but his rebounding. Despite a slender build, Gooden is a force on the glass because of his quick hops and a nose for the ball. Gooden had the sixth-best rebound rate among power forwards last season, and that was completely consistent with what he'd done the previous two campaigns.

 

And the notion that Beasley's face up game is head and shoulders above Gooden's does not hold water. Again, Hollinger:

 

A quick look at the shot chart shows why. Despite a weird head tilt and a somewhat herky-jerky motion, Gooden has become a very proficient midrange shooter. He made 47.7 percent of his long 2-pointers this past season and 45.3 percent the season before.

Edited May 22, 2008 by RynoRules

[David]

A Sun Sentinel report...

 

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-flspheatnote22sbmay22,0,6275638.story

 

However, a source familiar with the dealings said Wednesday that the Bulls have laid out a plan to take Beasley, with Heat President Pat Riley left with Rose.

 

The insider insisted, "No. 1 and No. 2 are booked and done."

 

Paxson insisted no Bulls decision has been made, but did say Wednesday of Beasley, "He scores the ball as easily as any young player that went into the college game in a long, long time."

 

 

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[mul21]

I will repeat: If Paxson doesn't take Rose, he should be dragged out into the street and shot (figuratively, of course).

 

You do not have the capacity to win big without a near superstar playing at one of the guard positions. They can control the game and a big man, no matter how good, can't do that. Shaq didn't win until he had Kobe and Wade. Duncan doesn't win without Parker and Ginobili and Sean Elliott before them. Olajuwon doesn't win without Cassell. You won't be great without great guard play.

 

If Rose isn't the pick, the Bulls will kill their chances for success for the next 5-10 years.