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I'd rather them wait a week or so on this. Pie seems like he's starting to turn it around. I want Pie to be ready to go , and for him to have proved himself again to management when Edmonds gets cut. I can see Hoffpauir hitting enough to keep that experiment going for quite a while, so I think the Cubs need Edmonds to stay around a little longer so that Pie can at least fight Hoffpauir for playing time before Hoffpauir becomes entrenched in the role.

 

Why does Edmonds have to stay around to preserve a battle between Pie and Hoffpauir? While I could see waiting to call Pie back up, there's no reason Edmonds has to stay around to make that happen.

 

I'm just looking at what would happen instead of what could happen.

 

If they cut Edmonds now, Pie doesn't get called up. Hoffpauir starts starting against right-handers. He hits enough for Lou to at least be satisfied with him. Not great, but not horrible either.

 

Now Pie keeps working down in AAA, and gets hot. The Cubs either keep him down in AAA, or they bring him up to the majors and he serves as a defensive replacement for Hoffpauir and a spot starter. This continues until Hoffpauir totally tanks and loses the job, which could take quite a while.

 

Sure, the Cubs could stray away from this formula, and let Pie come up and take the at-bats as soon as he's ready if Hoffpauir has been somewhat effective or not. History says they won't though, and I want Edmonds to stick around for another little while to save the Cubs from themselves.

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I'd rather them wait a week or so on this. Pie seems like he's starting to turn it around. I want Pie to be ready to go , and for him to have proved himself again to management when Edmonds gets cut. I can see Hoffpauir hitting enough to keep that experiment going for quite a while, so I think the Cubs need Edmonds to stay around a little longer so that Pie can at least fight Hoffpauir for playing time before Hoffpauir becomes entrenched in the role.

 

Why does Edmonds have to stay around to preserve a battle between Pie and Hoffpauir? While I could see waiting to call Pie back up, there's no reason Edmonds has to stay around to make that happen.

 

I'm just looking at what would happen instead of what could happen.

 

If they cut Edmonds now, Pie doesn't get called up. Hoffpauir starts starting against right-handers. He hits enough for Lou to at least be satisfied with him. Not great, but not horrible either.

 

Now Pie keeps working down in AAA, and gets hot. The Cubs either keep him down in AAA, or they bring him up to the majors and he serves as a defensive replacement for Hoffpauir and a spot starter. This continues until Hoffpauir totally tanks and loses the job, which could take quite a while.

 

Sure, the Cubs could stray away from this formula, and let Pie come up and take the at-bats as soon as he's ready if Hoffpauir has been somewhat effective or not. History says they won't though, and I want Edmonds to stick around for another little while to save the Cubs from themselves.

 

So you'd rather get god awful performance from Edmonds than mediocre performance from Hoffpauir?

 

I think the far more likely scenario is, barring a fantastic performance by Micah, they will only want Fukudome in center for a handful of games, thus making the Hoffpauir in right experiment short lived.

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I'd rather them wait a week or so on this. Pie seems like he's starting to turn it around. I want Pie to be ready to go , and for him to have proved himself again to management when Edmonds gets cut. I can see Hoffpauir hitting enough to keep that experiment going for quite a while, so I think the Cubs need Edmonds to stay around a little longer so that Pie can at least fight Hoffpauir for playing time before Hoffpauir becomes entrenched in the role.

 

Why does Edmonds have to stay around to preserve a battle between Pie and Hoffpauir? While I could see waiting to call Pie back up, there's no reason Edmonds has to stay around to make that happen.

 

I'm just looking at what would happen instead of what could happen.

 

If they cut Edmonds now, Pie doesn't get called up. Hoffpauir starts starting against right-handers. He hits enough for Lou to at least be satisfied with him. Not great, but not horrible either.

 

Now Pie keeps working down in AAA, and gets hot. The Cubs either keep him down in AAA, or they bring him up to the majors and he serves as a defensive replacement for Hoffpauir and a spot starter. This continues until Hoffpauir totally tanks and loses the job, which could take quite a while.

 

Sure, the Cubs could stray away from this formula, and let Pie come up and take the at-bats as soon as he's ready if Hoffpauir has been somewhat effective or not. History says they won't though, and I want Edmonds to stick around for another little while to save the Cubs from themselves.

 

So you'd rather get god awful performance from Edmonds than mediocre performance from Hoffpauir?

 

I think the far more likely scenario is, barring a fantastic performance by Micah, they will only want Fukudome in center for a handful of games, thus making the Hoffpauir in right experiment short lived.

 

I hope you're right, and if that is true, then I would want Edmonds cut today.

 

We're still not going to see much of Edmonds either way this next week. 4 out of the next 7 are against left-handed starters.

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I hope you're right, and if that is true, then I would want Edmonds cut today.

 

We're still not going to see much of Edmonds either way this next week. 4 out of the next 7 are against left-handed starters.

 

Probably enough motivation to keep him around another week.

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We're still a ways away from telling how Edmonds is going to work out. In his first 25 PAs, he hit .125/.160/.125. Since then, in 39 PAs entering today, he has hit .400/.436/.771. It doesn't seem like he's going to put up a respectable OBP right now, but if he can provide some power at the bottom of the order, it might work out. But again, he's only had success for 12 games and there are quite a few warning signs with him.

 

He also hasn't shown a great glove out there, but he should be more than passable.

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Definitely a lot of props headed Hendry's way. The real is test is going to be when/if he stops hitting, how long does the Hendry/Piniella combo stick with him
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Right now, I'd have to admit I was wrong. But Kendall also had a nice hot streak after he arrived last year before becoming mired in suckitude for the remainder of the season.

 

I see the Edmonds situation ending that way also. He's just not that good anymore. Though, I will throughly enjoy this hot streak right now. Hopefully, Pie is ready to step in like Soto was last year and make it a non-issue.

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Definitely a lot of props headed Hendry's way. The real is test is going to be when/if he stops hitting, how long does the Hendry/Piniella combo stick with him

There is no 'if' about it. He'll stop hitting soon

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Not quite sure why it is a foregone conclusion that a flameout by Edmonds is imminent.

 

Personally I don't think him continuing an .800 or .850ish OPS against nearly exclusively RHP is all that crazy, or even particularly unlikely.

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Not quite sure why it is a foregone conclusion that a flameout by Edmonds is imminent.
It's not. Some people are just hell-bent on seeing him fail.
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Not quite sure why it is a foregone conclusion that a flameout by Edmonds is imminent.
It's not. Some people are just hell-bent on seeing him fail.

 

Hell-bent on seeing him fail?

 

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74

 

Those are his OPS+ for the last 4 years, including this partial season, aka, ages 35-38. And while his splits have been really good, even just against RHP last year he sucked (.755 OPS).

 

So maybe people aren't hell-bent on seeing him fail, but they're looking at a 38 year old, once great hitter, with some pretty strong evidence to suggest he's in a quick decline.

 

Or maybe they're biased against Cardinals and sticking to their irrational belief that an old player whose declined sharply over 3 seasons is more likely to continue that decline than suddenly bounce back b/c he joined the Cubs. I don't like Jim Edmonds. I want him to OPS 1.000 with the Cubs, but I don't like him. I'm not expecting his brief resurgence to continue, but not b/c I hate him - b/c his numbers over the past few seasons seem to indicate that it's likely.

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Per an update on ESPN1000, this move will only cost the Cubs $284K. Not a huge risk and pretty easy for them to cut ties if Jimmy is truly done.

 

Can people stop saying this is a low risk move? If he comes in and stinks up the joint, and causes the Cubs to lose games, that sounds pretty high risk if you ask me. Divisions can be decided by 1 or 2 games over the course of 162. Every game is precious.

 

Ahem...... :D

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I have heard news reports recently of bad economic times and world wide food shortages , this board provides me much relief because there's a large portion of this board getting fat off all the crow they have eaten this first half off 2008. (Dempster/Theriot/Edmonds) What a great reminder that sometimes this is a wild wild game.

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