Edmonds heading to SD

[nilodnayr]

I wonder if that sets up a deal between Dodgers and Cardinals to swap Juan Pierre for Scott Rolen. Both players have $36M left on their deals.

 

God I hope so....

 

The Cardinals will have no one worth a squat but Albert, Isringhausen, Ankiel, Wainwright and (if he returns healthy) Carpenter.

 

Reyes?

The Cards don't like him because he doesn't fit Duncan's profile of pitchers he works with.

 

He fits Larry's profile pretty well, though.

 

Think they'll take Fontenot and Pagan for him? :wink:

 

Yeah, I know they hate him, he really needs to get out of that organization and he'd bloom. I think he would have been a great target for the Rays.

[Garage Party]

Great, now I'll only have 33% of the time to make Jim Edmonds gay jokes.

[UK1679666180]

 

Yeah, I know they hate him, he really needs to get out of that organization and he'd bloom. I think he would have been a great target for the Rays.

 

He would be lost in the shuffle in less than a year in TB.

[Soul]

I know things can change, but as of right now the Cards starting OF is Duncan, HGH, and Ryan Ludwick, with an outside shot at Rasmus making the club from spring training. Their rotation is Adam Wainwright, Joel Pinerio, and a bunch of nobodys. Cardinals should be in full rebuilding mode.

 

Ankiel's future has to be considered up in the air at this point, as the commish is apparently going to be probing all over the lives of those named in Mitchell's report.

[radarluv1]

Rumor has it, this probably makes Rasmus the starting CF.

 

Considering that even if he performs as well as he can, they wont be contending this year, this is great news. I love that they're starting the arbitration clock on him.

 

how unready is rasmus, and how significant would him being opening day CF be to his contract? iirc, delaying a call up one month helped the cubs delay arby 1 year for some cub player (pie?).

 

i'm going to a party tonight with a bunch of card fans and i'd like to be able to throw some more discouragement on their hopes for 2008 and beyond.

[jyoung55]

I wonder if that sets up a deal between Dodgers and Cardinals to swap Juan Pierre for Scott Rolen. Both players have $36M left on their deals.

 

I'm not sure a thread about getting rid of Edmonds is the right place to talk about them getting worse. This move probably makes them better, addition by subtraction. And I'm not sure who I'd rather see on the Cards, slappy or Rolen.... Rolen could be real bad hobbling through the last few years of his contract.

 

That said... I think we can agree its going to be fun how bad they should be... 4th or 5th in the division seems a given.

[nilodnayr]

 

Yeah, I know they hate him, he really needs to get out of that organization and he'd bloom. I think he would have been a great target for the Rays.

 

He would be lost in the shuffle in less than a year in TB.

 

As will Garza. They could have gotten him for less than Delmon.

[UK1679666180]

Garza has a much higher chance of sticking in the rotation than Reyes would.

[Balsa]

Seeya Eeeddddddddddddddddddmoooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnndssssssss.

 

Hehehe. Less heckling next year I guess.

[mjohnson71]

Great, now I'll only have 33% of the time to make Jim Edmonds gay jokes.

 

Yes, gay jokes are sooooooo funny.

[CubinNY]

I know things can change, but as of right now the Cards starting OF is Duncan, HGH, and Ryan Ludwick, with an outside shot at Rasmus making the club from spring training. Their rotation is Adam Wainwright, Joel Pinerio, and a bunch of nobodys. Cardinals should be in full rebuilding mode.

 

Ankiel's future has to be considered up in the air at this point, as the commish is apparently going to be probing all over the lives of those named in Mitchell's report.

Ankiel has no future in baseball. He was supposed to be a feel good story for one year. He doesn't make enough contact and doesn't take enough walks to stay on a "real" major league team for a year. Which is to say he might make the Cardinals team out of ST.

[NonProfitCow]

Ankiel has no future in baseball. He was supposed to be a feel good story for one year. He doesn't make enough contact and doesn't take enough walks to stay on a "real" major league team for a year. Which is to say he might make the Cardinals team out of ST.

 

I don't think 172 ab's is enough to come to that conclusion. As for the "not enough contact, not enough walks to stay on a big league team" thing, couldn't the same be said for Soriano?

[inari]

Great, now I'll only have 33% of the time to make Jim Edmonds gay jokes.

 

Yes, gay jokes are sooooooo funny.

 

Yes, almost as funny as all the racist or anti-semetic jokes we could be making instead. Almost. #-o

[CuseCubFan69]

Does Petco have a deep CF? I was just wondering since Edmonds likes to play so shallow.

[CubinNY]

Ankiel has no future in baseball. He was supposed to be a feel good story for one year. He doesn't make enough contact and doesn't take enough walks to stay on a "real" major league team for a year. Which is to say he might make the Cardinals team out of ST.

 

I don't think 172 ab's is enough to come to that conclusion. As for the "not enough contact, not enough walks to stay on a big league team" thing, couldn't the same be said for Soriano?

 

Actually, no the same thing cannot be said about Soriano.

 

Ankiel will be 28 next year and put up these numbers in a very friendly hitting environment in the PCL last year.

 

.267 .314 .568 .882

 

Not bad SLG (but out of line with previous years). Nothing to get excited about either. Maybe he's a 4th OF but he'll get exposed next year, especially if he's off the juice.

[mul21]

Ankiel has no future in baseball. He was supposed to be a feel good story for one year. He doesn't make enough contact and doesn't take enough walks to stay on a "real" major league team for a year. Which is to say he might make the Cardinals team out of ST.

 

I don't think 172 ab's is enough to come to that conclusion. As for the "not enough contact, not enough walks to stay on a big league team" thing, couldn't the same be said for Soriano?

 

Looking at his MiLB numbers, I find it hard to believe he'll maintain a BA as high as he had last year. I think he'll hit more along the lines of .250-.260 with a lot of Ks, probably no more than 30-40 BB a season, but he'll hit a bunch of HRs. That's something you can live with if you have guys that get on base a lot and take a lot of pitches around him.

[NonProfitCow]

Ankiel has no future in baseball. He was supposed to be a feel good story for one year. He doesn't make enough contact and doesn't take enough walks to stay on a "real" major league team for a year. Which is to say he might make the Cardinals team out of ST.

 

I don't think 172 ab's is enough to come to that conclusion. As for the "not enough contact, not enough walks to stay on a big league team" thing, couldn't the same be said for Soriano?

 

Actually, no the same thing cannot be said about Soriano.

 

Ankiel will be 28 next year and put up these numbers in a very friendly hitting environment in the PCL last year.

 

.267 .314 .568 .882

 

Not bad SLG (but out of line with previous years). Nothing to get excited about either. Maybe he's a 4th OF but he'll get exposed next year, especially if he's off the juice.

 

He was 28 and had 1.5 pro seasons under his belt as a full time hitter and outfielder. I don't think Ankiel is going to be anything special, but his SLG could just be that he is becoming a better hitter. As for the getting exposed, he very well may. And the "juice" comment is funny. It was HGH, not steroids.

[Post Count Padder]

Ankiel has no future in baseball. He was supposed to be a feel good story for one year. He doesn't make enough contact and doesn't take enough walks to stay on a "real" major league team for a year. Which is to say he might make the Cardinals team out of ST.

 

I don't think 172 ab's is enough to come to that conclusion. As for the "not enough contact, not enough walks to stay on a big league team" thing, couldn't the same be said for Soriano?

 

Actually, no the same thing cannot be said about Soriano.

 

Ankiel will be 28 next year and put up these numbers in a very friendly hitting environment in the PCL last year.

 

.267 .314 .568 .882

 

Not bad SLG (but out of line with previous years). Nothing to get excited about either. Maybe he's a 4th OF but he'll get exposed next year, especially if he's off the juice.

He'll probably still hit out quite a few homers, but yeah, I don't see him contributing much else.

[haltz]

His K-rate (23.8%) from last year (and it was in line with his AAA K-rate), would rank him 22nd among qualified players, between Andruw Jones and Josh Willingham. For players with a 20% K-rate or higher, his BB-rate (of 7%) would put him in the minority among players on that page. Only above or right at, Khalil Greene, Alfonso Soriano, Juan Uribe, Craig Biggio, Ty Wigginton, Alex Gordon, and Chris Young.

 

The question is if he has legit power (the 43 taters he hit last year suggests that he does), will he be able to develop plate discipline or if he will start to get pitched around some? It's also up for debate whether he'll be a plus outfielder. He obviously is fast and has a cannon, but from watching him last year the reports from Memphis as their center fielder overstated his route-running and hands.

 

He's altogether unique and a hell of an athlete, so while I share the exact same concerns as CubinNY, actually, I think it's overstated (the "no future in baseball" stuff) and the things he needs to improve are old man's skills that can be learned. He already has the stuff that you can't teach. I wouldn't make a bet either way.

[BigbadB]

This trade makes me wonder what will happen with Mike Cameron. San Diego offered arbitration and I believe Cameron was an "A" free agent, therefore whoever signs him will lose draft picks. Between losing draft picks and not being available for 25 games, I'm curious if Cameron will get the Todd Walker treatment by San Diego next year if no one signs him?

 

For those that don't remember, the Padres offered Walker arbitration. Walker won his arbitration and elected to accept arby and stay with the Padres. The Padres lost the arbitration case, signed Marcus Giles and cut Todd Walker.

 

The Padres have 2 situations this offseason that could end up just like the Walker situation last year. Michael Barrett also accepted arby from the Padres. He stands to win his arby case to the tune of 5m to be the back up catcher to Josh Bard.

 

If Cameron wins his case and no one signs him, he also stands to make quite a bit. Who plays CF?

 

I think this will be interesting to watch unfold this offseason.

[jersey cubs fan]

I wonder if that sets up a deal between Dodgers and Cardinals to swap Juan Pierre for Scott Rolen. Both players have $36M left on their deals.

 

I'm not sure a thread about getting rid of Edmonds is the right place to talk about them getting worse. This move probably makes them better, addition by subtraction. And I'm not sure who I'd rather see on the Cards, slappy or Rolen.... Rolen could be real bad hobbling through the last few years of his contract.

 

That said... I think we can agree its going to be fun how bad they should be... 4th or 5th in the division seems a given.

 

Yepper, paying $1m for the concussed one to play for somebody else is better than paying $8m for Jimmy to stink it up for them for 100 games.

[chicago chop]

But now who are we going to hate?

 

We've got some decent hate going with the Pads - I don't see it as a problem. We can still hate him as much just not as often.

 

Meh. We won the battle for Kosuke, so I don't really have too much to hate them for. Their fans probably have more reason to dislike the Cubs than we do to dislike the Padres. I guess Towers' involvement with Prior was kind of shady, but I'm really not sure what kind of impact that had on the outcome of the situation. Besides, I'm still grateful to them for knocking the Brewers out of the playoffs.

 

That said, my hatred for Edmonds will not change. :)

 

And as long as Tony LaRussa is the Cardinals manager, there will always be someone to hate.

 

My hatred for the Padres will remain as long as the image of Steve Garvey raising his fist in celebration during the 84 playoffs remains in my mind.....The only team I hate more are those crappy Cardinals......

[haltz]

This trade makes me wonder what will happen with Mike Cameron. San Diego offered arbitration and I believe Cameron was an "A" free agent, therefore whoever signs him will lose draft picks. Between losing draft picks and not being available for 25 games, I'm curious if Cameron will get the Todd Walker treatment by San Diego next year if no one signs him?

He's already declined arbitration.

[JeffH]

This trade makes me wonder what will happen with Mike Cameron. San Diego offered arbitration and I believe Cameron was an "A" free agent, therefore whoever signs him will lose draft picks. Between losing draft picks and not being available for 25 games, I'm curious if Cameron will get the Todd Walker treatment by San Diego next year if no one signs him?

He's already declined arbitration.

 

The Padres can still sign him, although reports suggest that it is unlikely that they will.

[haltz]

The Padres can still sign him, although reports suggest that it is unlikely that they will.

If they want to. The arbitration thing is done, however.