HAPPY MITCHELL REPORT DAY!!!!!!!! Clemens named.

[jersey cubs fan]

did i read on the ESPN crawl that Clemens has already denied using steroids?

 

That's what his lawyer said.

[The Voice of Reason]

Why are people even in the least bit surprised Clemens was on steroids. No way a pitcher should be able to pitch like that at his age.

 

 

Maybe Roger can borrow the libel attorney Palmeiro said he was going to use against Canseco.

[Derwood]

did i read on the ESPN crawl that Clemens has already denied using steroids?

 

That's what his lawyer said.

 

brilliant. the one guy (okay, two with Pettitte) who actually had someone say they administered the steroids is the guy who flat out denies it. I hate him even more now

[Soul]

Mercker's on the list.

 

And yes, the term "roid rage" was bandied about with Murph & Stone on the air yesterday. Just thought I'd show up and throw a little gasoline on the fire :lol:

[CuseCubFan69]

What bothers me is that the players are the ones being thrown under the bus. Yeah, many of them did cheat but the GM's and managers knew in many cases and I don't see why no one is mentioning this. I wonder how LaRussa is skating free in all of this.

[Soul]

Listening to Mitchell yesterday, he tried to prevent the players being the sole target of ire by stating everyone in MLB shares some measure of blame, but it appears that -- at least so far -- it is the players who are being lambasted.

 

Nobody's going to tell me a guy like LaRussa didn't know about McGwire & Canseco, or Dusty didn't know about Barry.

[CuseCubFan69]

I wonder if the writers will go after them after they get bored of the players? They have enough ammo to pound the players for a while but as you (Mitchell) said, this includes all of them.

 

I wrote this before but I get sidetracked....I really am curious on how Clemens deals with this with his own son? Did his son already know?

[jersey cubs fan]

What bothers me is that the players are the ones being thrown under the bus. Yeah, many of them did cheat but the GM's and managers knew in many cases and I don't see why no one is mentioning this. I wonder how LaRussa is skating free in all of this.

 

GMs are being discussed, but the fact remains the players deserve most of the heat. They took this stuff. There wasn't a heck of a lot GMs could do. They were under a mandate to field the best team possible, not be rogue steroid prosecutors.

[Roast]

I wonder if the writers will go after them after they get bored of the players? They have enough ammo to pound the players for a while but as you (Mitchell) said, this includes all of them.

 

I wrote this before but I get sidetracked....I really am curious on how Clemens deals with this with his own son? Did his son already know?

 

"Daddy, why are you a cheater?"

"I'm not, that report is full of lies!"

"Ok. Well...On a related note, why did you throw a shattered bat at Mike Piazza that time?"

"Go to your room"

 

That's how I envision that going.

[abuck1220]

What bothers me is that the players are the ones being thrown under the bus. Yeah, many of them did cheat but the GM's and managers knew in many cases and I don't see why no one is mentioning this. I wonder how LaRussa is skating free in all of this.

 

the players aren't children. they're responsible for their actions, and they clearly deserve most, if not all, of the blame.

[CuseCubFan69]

What bothers me is that the players are the ones being thrown under the bus. Yeah, many of them did cheat but the GM's and managers knew in many cases and I don't see why no one is mentioning this. I wonder how LaRussa is skating free in all of this.

 

the players aren't children. they're responsible for their actions, and they clearly deserve most, if not all, of the blame.

 

I don't deny that they are responsible for their actions and should be getting the most blame but if others knew of an illegal activity and didn't report it, aren't they breaking a law (rule) as well?

[jersey cubs fan]

What bothers me is that the players are the ones being thrown under the bus. Yeah, many of them did cheat but the GM's and managers knew in many cases and I don't see why no one is mentioning this. I wonder how LaRussa is skating free in all of this.

 

the players aren't children. they're responsible for their actions, and they clearly deserve most, if not all, of the blame.

 

I don't deny that they are responsible for their actions and should be getting the most blame but if others knew of an illegal activity and didn't report it, aren't they breaking a law (rule) as well?

 

No, not at all.

[CuseCubFan69]

What bothers me is that the players are the ones being thrown under the bus. Yeah, many of them did cheat but the GM's and managers knew in many cases and I don't see why no one is mentioning this. I wonder how LaRussa is skating free in all of this.

 

the players aren't children. they're responsible for their actions, and they clearly deserve most, if not all, of the blame.

 

I don't deny that they are responsible for their actions and should be getting the most blame but if others knew of an illegal activity and didn't report it, aren't they breaking a law (rule) as well?

 

No, not at all.

 

Really? So if I know you are stealing money from the company we are working for I don't get into trouble...law wise even though they find out I knew? Interesting, I always thought that was against the law as well.

[Post Count Padder]

I wonder if the writers will go after them after they get bored of the players? They have enough ammo to pound the players for a while but as you (Mitchell) said, this includes all of them.

 

I wrote this before but I get sidetracked....I really am curious on how Clemens deals with this with his own son? Did his son already know?

 

"Daddy, why are you a cheater?"

"I'm not, that report is full of lies!"

"Ok. Well...On a related note, why did you throw a shattered bat at Mike Piazza that time?"

"Go to your room"

 

That's how I envision that going.

Haha, nice

[CuseCubFan69]

Was Nomar in the report at all? I thought his name was one being tossed around.

[jersey cubs fan]

Was Nomar in the report at all? I thought his name was one being tossed around.

 

Darren Rovell was on CNBC naming names that were mistakenly named yesterday, including Nomar, Sosa, Wood and Prior, and apologizin.

[OleMissCub]

I heard David Justice on ESPN Radio this morning and he was HELLA pissed off about being linked as one the guys "on the list."

 

The gist of what he was saying was that when he was traded to the Yankees, during his first week there, Roger Clemens' personal trainer (juicer) Brian McNamee approached Justice who was then going through a groin injury and offered to give him HGH. Justice says that he had never really heard of it and believed McNamee when he said it was something normally prescribed by doctors, so he told McNamee that he'd try it out. McNamee told Justice that he'd leave it in his locker for him. Justice says that he later went to his locker and saw that it involved needles, and being a needle-phobe he was like "hell no!" So he says he never took it (the Mitchell Report doesn't make a claim that he took it either). He claimed that if it had been in pill form, knowing what he knew then and thinking that it was a normal medication and wasn't illegal, he would have taken it.

 

He went on to say that most of the speculation within clubhouses in the mid-late 90's about who was rumored to use generally circled around McGwire, Juan Gonzalez, Canseco, and Dykstra.

 

Justice went on to joke about how, if he did take it, he must have gotten the wrong kind, and joked about his numbers in 2001 and how they were pretty pitiful for a suspected juicer.

[imb]

HELLA

[98navigator]

Listening to Mitchell yesterday, he tried to prevent the players being the sole target of ire by stating everyone in MLB shares some measure of blame, but it appears that -- at least so far -- it is the players who are being lambasted.

 

Nobody's going to tell me a guy like LaRussa didn't know about McGwire & Canseco, or Dusty didn't know about Barry.

 

Everyone is culpable to some degree. However, I don't think that the managers are suppose to police what the players do on their own time. It's a weird situation for managers and GMs because they are in the business of winning but if they care about the health and safety (medically and legally) of their players they may have to do things that are counter to winning.

 

These are interesting tidbits from the Report that give us some idea about who knew or didn't know... Looks like Dodgers officials were well aware of what their players were up to and only wanted to get rid of them when their production dropped (not that I can blame them).

 

Dusty Baker was the manager of the San Francisco Giants in 2003 when the news of the BALCO raids broke. Baker advised my investigators in an interview that he was close to Marvin Benard and was “completely shocked” when he became aware of the allegations that Benard used steroids. After Baker learned of the allegations, he asked Benard if they were true. According to Baker, Benard admitted he had used steroids previously but said that he had stopped. Baker did not report Benard’s admission to anyone in Giants management or the

Commissioner’s Office.

 

BTW, I guess they meant to say 2002 above.

 

...According to the notes of an internal discussion among Los Angeles Dodgers officials in October 2003 that were referred to above, it was reportedly said of Lo Duca during the meetings:

 

Steroids aren’t being used anymore on him. Big part of this.

Might have some value to trade . . . Florida might have interest.

. . . Got off the steroids . . . Took away a lot of hard line drives.

. . . Can get comparable value back would consider trading. . . .

If you do trade him, will get back on the stuff and try to show

you he can have a good year. That’s his makeup. Comes to play.

Last year of contract, playing for 05.

 

According to notes of the October 2003 meetings of Dodgers officials, it was

reportedly said of Gagné that: “he probably takes medication and tendons and ligaments don’t build up just the muscle.”

 

When the Boston Red Sox were considering acquiring Gagné, a Red Sox official

made specific inquiries about Gagné’s possible use of steroids. In a November 1, 2006 email to a Red Sox scout, general manager Theo Epstein asked, “Have you done any digging on Gagne? I know the Dodgers think he was a steroid guy. Maybe so. What do you hear on his medical?” The scout, Mark Delpiano, responded,

 

Some digging on Gagne and steroids IS the issue. Has had a

checkered medical past throughout career including minor leagues.

Lacks the poise and commitment to stay healthy, maintain body

and re invent self. What made him a tenacious closer was the max

effort plus stuff . . . Mentality without the plus weapons and

without steroid help probably creates a large risk in bounce back

durability and ability to throw average while allowing the changeup

to play as it once did . . . Personally, durability (or lack of) will

follow Gagne . . .

 

Knowing all this, the Red Sox traded for him anyway and he was terrible. LOL, I guess his supply dried up from TX to BO.

[Keener98]

Anybody see Cansecos comments?

 

"I saw the list of players, and there are definitely a lot of players missing," he told Fox Business Network. "I don't know what they accomplished or what they are trying to prove."

 

Prodded further about players not included, Canseco said this of Alex Rodriguez: "All I can say is the Mitchell Report is incomplete. I could not believe that his name was not in the report."

 

http://www.pjstar.com/stories/121407/MLB_BF6VV1K9.083.php

[The Voice of Reason]

A little added credibility for Radomski.

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=MLB&hl=227692

 

Catcher Bennett admits to HGH usage

 

Free agent Gary Bennett confirmed Friday that he took HGH received from former Mets clubhouse employeee Kirk Radomski in 2003.

 

Bennett said he used it when he was recovering from an injury and hadn't tried it again since 2003. "Obviously, it was a stupid decision," Bennett said. "It was a mistake. It was something that quite obviously, you regret now. And beyond that, I just don't know." This may not be Roger Clemens or Miguel Tejada coming forward, but it's definitely notable, mostly because it lends a lot more weight to the rest of the info Radomski provided. Dec. 14 - 8:14 pm

[Soul]

A little added credibility for Radomski.

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=MLB&hl=227692

 

Catcher Bennett admits to HGH usage

 

Free agent Gary Bennett confirmed Friday that he took HGH received from former Mets clubhouse employeee Kirk Radomski in 2003.

 

Bennett said he used it when he was recovering from an injury and hadn't tried it again since 2003. "Obviously, it was a stupid decision," Bennett said. "It was a mistake. It was something that quite obviously, you regret now. And beyond that, I just don't know." This may not be Roger Clemens or Miguel Tejada coming forward, but it's definitely notable, mostly because it lends a lot more weight to the rest of the info Radomski provided. Dec. 14 - 8:14 pm

 

I never bought into the idea that these guys have no credibility, and I think Gammons ought to think very carefully before continuing down that path...

[Warpticon]

I wonder if the writers will go after them after they get bored of the players? They have enough ammo to pound the players for a while but as you (Mitchell) said, this includes all of them.

 

I wrote this before but I get sidetracked....I really am curious on how Clemens deals with this with his own son? Did his son already know?

 

"Daddy, why are you a cheater?"

"I'm not, that report is full of lies!"

"Ok. Well...On a related note, why did you throw a shattered bat at Mike Piazza that time?"

"Go to your room"

 

That's how I envision that going.

 

That'd work a little better if the original poster wasn't most likely talking about Koby, his 20 year old son playing in the Astros minor league system.

[imb]

I wonder if the writers will go after them after they get bored of the players? They have enough ammo to pound the players for a while but as you (Mitchell) said, this includes all of them.

 

I wrote this before but I get sidetracked....I really am curious on how Clemens deals with this with his own son? Did his son already know?

 

"Daddy, why are you a cheater?"

"I'm not, that report is full of lies!"

"Ok. Well...On a related note, why did you throw a shattered bat at Mike Piazza that time?"

"Go to your room"

 

That's how I envision that going.

 

That'd work a little better if the original poster wasn't most likely talking about Koby, his 20 year old son playing in the Astros minor league system.

 

But other than that, =D>

[Warpticon]

Maan, Bush's comments are so embarassing. More pregnant pauses and uhs than...well, than a typical Bush speech.