HAPPY MITCHELL REPORT DAY!!!!!!!! Clemens named.

[Rob]

I just wish John Kruk would have been busted... Maybe that would've killed his BBTN career.

[Wilson A2000]

I think it's going to be interesting to see how the HOF voters approach Clemens now since they basically excluded McGwire based on allegations.

 

They excluded him so far, but he'll get in sometime don't you think?

[Post Count Padder]

I just wish John Kruk would have been busted... Maybe that would've killed his BBTN career.

[frostwyrm]

It's not possible to get that big and maintain the size through a MLB schedule. It'd be one thing if a guy like Sosa was a bodybuilder for a living, but he's got to travel every few days, play a three hour game (plus practices, meetings, breaking down film, etc). For a guy like Sosa you have to add in all the PR stuff, appearances with sick kids, filming Pepsi commercials, etc. You can't lift in a gym 2 hours a day and still do all the above stuff without help.

 

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Sosa%20B%20and%20A%203.jpg

 

Baloney. I work 10-11 hours a day at my desk with an additional 1 hour commute each day. I find time to go to the gym 3 times a week. It means I don't get home until after 9:30 PM those days, but I still do it.

 

Oooh, 3 times a week. I guess that means you have recovery days between workouts. Funny thing about baseball is you play 6 games a week and have to be able to catch up to a 90+ mph fastball on each and every day. I used to lift like crazy and got quite big and there's no way in hell I could've swung a bat or thrown a ball at full speed on noon of the next day. I find it absolutely impossible to believe that a baseball player could do enough lifting to maintain the physique of an NFL middle linebacker without recovery days and without chemical help. Anyone who tried it would have a horrible season due to chronic post-workout stiffness/weakness.

[Yanksfan1523]

It's not possible to get that big and maintain the size through a MLB schedule. It'd be one thing if a guy like Sosa was a bodybuilder for a living, but he's got to travel every few days, play a three hour game (plus practices, meetings, breaking down film, etc). For a guy like Sosa you have to add in all the PR stuff, appearances with sick kids, filming Pepsi commercials, etc. You can't lift in a gym 2 hours a day and still do all the above stuff without help.

 

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Sosa%20B%20and%20A%203.jpg

 

Baloney. I work 10-11 hours a day at my desk with an additional 1 hour commute each day. I find time to go to the gym 3 times a week. It means I don't get home until after 9:30 PM those days, but I still do it.

 

Oooh, 3 times a week. I guess that means you have recovery days between workouts. Funny thing about baseball is you play 6 games a week and have to be able to catch up to a 90+ mph fastball on each and every day. I used to lift like crazy and got quite big and there's no way in hell I could've swung a bat or thrown a ball at full speed on noon of the next day. I find it absolutely impossible to believe that a baseball player could do enough lifting to maintain the physique of an NFL middle linebacker without recovery days and without chemical help. Anyone who tried it would have a horrible season due to chronic post-workout stiffness/weakness.

 

Let's not forget those days where you tweek something while lifting and need an extra day or two to recover. I have tweeked my elbow and know I would not have bben able to throw a ball for a day or two.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about someone getting bigger during a season. It's always the work they put in during the offseason.

[Yanksfan1523]

It isn't that he got bigger during the season, but his physique never deteriorated. At least that's how I read the originl post.

[frostwyrm]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about someone getting bigger during a season. It's always the work they put in during the offseason.

 

When you get really bulky you have to work out very very hard just to maintain your gains. I know this from experience. Baseball season is 7 months long yet we rountinely used to see baseball players maintain every pound of their enormous muscle mass from March to October. There's no way that could be done without help.

[NewUserName]

I am going to go completely another direction with this. I have always wondered if Barry Bonds wasnt such a Jerk that noone likes, would we be were we are today with this Investigation? I still think what really motivates this whole hunt is a general dislike for Barry Bonds. I think anyone with any kind of common sense would have to come to the exact same conclusions about PEDS in regards to Roger Clemens as they would Barry Bonds. If they were looking at the evidence fairly anyway. I dont think Clemens breaking records is what has motivated this whole Mitchell thing. I think the dislike for Barrry Bonds is what has really motivated the whole thing.

[dougdescenzo]

It isn't that he got bigger during the season, but his physique never deteriorated. At least that's how I read the originl post.

 

And again how would you know that? Eating enough protein, taking in enough bcaa's, and lifting just enough to maintain, a player could reasonably maintain all but roughly 5 pounds of lean muscle over 162 days. If you saw Sammy naked before the season and again after you probably would be able to tell but it'd be impossible to detect when you're seeing him every day with a full baseball uniform on.

[CubinNY]

As predicted, this is the stupidist thread in NSBB history.

 

Thank you George Mitchell and MLB

[Sammy Sofa]

As predicted, this is the stupidist thread in NSBB history.

 

Well, la-dee-dah, God of the Interwebs.

[Yanksfan1523]

It isn't that he got bigger during the season, but his physique never deteriorated. At least that's how I read the originl post.

 

And again how would you know that? Eating enough protein, taking in enough bcaa's, and lifting just enough to maintain, a player could reasonably maintain all but roughly 5 pounds of lean muscle over 162 days. If you saw Sammy naked before the season and again after you probably would be able to tell but it'd be impossible to detect when you're seeing him every day with a full baseball uniform on.

 

Hey, don't jump me, I am just responding. I don't know what Sammy did or didn't do. I hold nothing against Sammy.

[frostwyrm]

It isn't that he got bigger during the season, but his physique never deteriorated. At least that's how I read the originl post.

 

And again how would you know that? Eating enough protein, taking in enough bcaa's, and lifting just enough to maintain, a player could reasonably maintain all but roughly 5 pounds of lean muscle over 162 days. If you saw Sammy naked before the season and again after you probably would be able to tell but it'd be impossible to detect when you're seeing him every day with a full baseball uniform on.

 

The idea that really huge guys can easily do "just enough to maintain" is a myth. Once you get really big you can't just scale your workouts way back without losing most of your gains. Your body quickly adjusts and your muscles shrink.

[CubinNY]

As predicted, this is the stupidist thread in NSBB history.

 

Well, la-dee-dah, God of the Interwebs.

 

That's Lord of the Interwebs to you.

 

All we need now are hat measurements, calve sizes, and acne counts to make this mockery of a witch hunt complete.

[hawkeyecub]

As predicted, this is the stupidist thread in NSBB history.

 

Thank you George Mitchell and MLB

 

Stupidest just because you don't agree with what's being discussed? Oh, that makes sense.

 

The last few pages have been civil with people from both sides making their case reasonably. There have been hundreds worse than this. Of course it doesn't matter at this point, but it's December and this is the most topical thing to discuss.

[TruffleShuffle]

how did bret boone manage to stay off this list?

[TruffleShuffle]

As predicted, this is the stupidist thread in NSBB history.

 

Thank you George Mitchell and MLB

 

yes, i too feel bad for all the cheaters who have now been exposed.

[Geech]

As predicted, this is the stupidist thread in NSBB history.

 

Thank you George Mitchell and MLB

 

yes, i too feel bad for all the cheaters who have now been exposed.

 

Case in point.

[jaydee]

i dont think baseball is such a grueling sport that oyu cant workout during the year. its not like football, hockey, or basketball in that way. im sure players find time to workout, just like hockey and football plays do, and lets face it both those sports are much harder on the body through the course of the season than baseball.

[TruffleShuffle]

As predicted, this is the stupidist thread in NSBB history.

 

Thank you George Mitchell and MLB

 

yes, i too feel bad for all the cheaters who have now been exposed.

 

Case in point.

 

nice job circumventing the board guidelines.

 

anyhow, if mlb had a comprehensive drug test that included blood work, i would've been against this whole idea. but the mlbpa doesn't allow their players to be blood tested, which for all we know means that every player on mlb is still using hgh. if there's no investigation, then there's no incentive not to use hgh, because you can enhance your performance without the risk of being caught. now this report has named a number of players who otherwise never would have been outed. So people in the future who could potentially use HGH will have the knowledge that a number of former players who used HGHs were publicly embarrassed - and many of them likely cost money on the FA market.

 

trying to make any sport a cleaner, more fair environment is not a bad thing.

[Mizzou]

Wait, Sammy was on roids because there's no way he could find the time to workout during the season? Now I've heard it all.

[Roast]

lmao

 

I'm really glad I got out of this argument when I did.

[imb]

I think Sammy was juicing, but I love hearing people say that someone didn't get smaller during the season.

 

I mean, were you really keeping track?

[Guest]

I think it's going to be interesting to see how the HOF voters approach Clemens now since they basically excluded McGwire based on allegations.

 

 

Clemens is in no matter what. Second ballot at worst. He was just too dominating and did too many things at HOF caliber to not include. McGwire just hit HR's.

 

How many Cy Youngs did he win after he was with the Jays though? If his career ended around then would he still be in? This is the argument regarding Bonds.

 

4, after leaving Boston. He would have been iffy had he retired after his Sox days, IMHO.

 

Clemens had 192 wins, a 3.16 ERA and 3 Cy Young awards in 13 seasons and had just turned 34 in August of his 1996 season. Only three other players have more than three Cy Young awards - Randy Johnson (5), Steve Carlton (4) and Greg Maddux (4) - and having three would tie Clemens with Sandy Koufax, Pedro Martinez, Jim Palmer and Tom Seaver. All of those guys are either already in the HOF or should make the HOF. Even if Clemens pitched five or six more years at an above-average level but not necessarily Cy Young level, he would have had at least 250 wins. Just like Bonds, he was a HOFer before he allegedly started juicing (if the reports of after the 1996 season are true).