HAPPY MITCHELL REPORT DAY!!!!!!!! Clemens named.

[jersey cubs fan]

Wonder if some of those current players could have their contracts voided. GM Jr. comes to mind.

 

Seems like if a team wanted to, they could make a claim that these players violated the "good character" clause that is inherent in all MLB contracts.

 

Can't see how if those things occurred prior to their current contract. And with the current collective bargaining agreement including steroids testing and punishment, I doubt they would be able to go beyond that punishment and release a guy.

[Guest]

In all honesty and with (almost) all my sosa love aside, i think it's possible that he didn't do roids. Yes his body Hulked up but he also went from being a mal-nourished dirt-poor kid to being a millionaire with access to extensive training programs and workout facilities and according to everything I've ever read - he basically lived in th gym.

 

Anyway, He wasn't named in the report and he has yet to have anything close to solid damning evidence put out against him so - until he does - he's clean to me.

 

 

All that said, it still seems like it was a way of life at that time in baseball so even if he did i suppose it's not that surprising.

 

Players who come into camp 20 pounds heavier than they were at the end of the previous season always say that they spent all winter in the gym and dedicated themselves to getting in better shape. Not saying that Sammy was lying about it and did take steroids but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he did.

 

But the average player isnt growing out of being a mal-nourished teen.

 

Well, i guess some of them are - but regardless. I wouldn't be overly shocked if it came out that sosa did roids either, if for no other reason than the era he played in. That being said - No one has been able to build up anything resembling a solid case against him and in all reality I just don't think he did roids.

 

Plus, it's not just sammy that said he spent time in the gym. It's well known that he spent hours on end in the gym every day.

 

To be fair, many Latin American players grow up malnourished and take a long time to fill in even though MLB teams put them on rigorous lifting schedules and feed them well. Then again, this is a much newer trend. When guys like Sosa were breaking in, teams hadn't put this much effort into helping these Latin American kids out.

[Roast]

In all honesty and with (almost) all my sosa love aside, i think it's possible that he didn't do roids. Yes his body Hulked up but he also went from being a mal-nourished dirt-poor kid to being a millionaire with access to extensive training programs and workout facilities and according to everything I've ever read - he basically lived in th gym.

 

Anyway, He wasn't named in the report and he has yet to have anything close to solid damning evidence put out against him so - until he does - he's clean to me.

 

 

All that said, it still seems like it was a way of life at that time in baseball so even if he did i suppose it's not that surprising.

 

Players who come into camp 20 pounds heavier than they were at the end of the previous season always say that they spent all winter in the gym and dedicated themselves to getting in better shape. Not saying that Sammy was lying about it and did take steroids but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he did.

 

But the average player isnt growing out of being a mal-nourished teen.

 

Well, i guess some of them are - but regardless. I wouldn't be overly shocked if it came out that sosa did roids either, if for no other reason than the era he played in. That being said - No one has been able to build up anything resembling a solid case against him and in all reality I just don't think he did roids.

 

Plus, it's not just sammy that said he spent time in the gym. It's well known that he spent hours on end in the gym every day.

 

One of the benefits of steroids is that it allows the person to work out harder, longer and more frequently (That's what she said.) than the average person can.

 

This is true, but the fact that no one has been able to pin anything on him thus far leads one to believe that maybe, god forbid, he actually just worked out a whole helluva lot and built his body up naturally.

[erik316wttn]

Does this mean my Ricky Bones autographed card is now worthless? This sucks!

 

Sorry, OMC. You're out a quarter.

[hawkeyecub]

In all honesty and with (almost) all my sosa love aside, i think it's possible that he didn't do roids. Yes his body Hulked up but he also went from being a mal-nourished dirt-poor kid to being a millionaire with access to extensive training programs and workout facilities and according to everything I've ever read - he basically lived in th gym.

 

Anyway, He wasn't named in the report and he has yet to have anything close to solid damning evidence put out against him so - until he does - he's clean to me.

 

 

All that said, it still seems like it was a way of life at that time in baseball so even if he did i suppose it's not that surprising.

 

I've heard that Sosa spent more time in the gym than any other player.

 

So what? Have you ever known a steroid user? That's much of the point of steroids. You're able to workout hard for long periods of time but recover quicker and make gains that you can't make naturally.

 

As far as his diet and economics, do you guys not realize how many players have come from the Dominican, Venezuela, etc. and grew up dirt poor?

 

Seriously if you want to continue to believe Sosa didn't use, that's your own thing. But those are two of the stupidest excuses I've ever heard.

[E.J.]

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Sosa%20B%20and%20A%203.jpg

 

Come on.

[OleMissCub]

Wonder if some of those current players could have their contracts voided. GM Jr. comes to mind.

 

Seems like if a team wanted to, they could make a claim that these players violated the "good character" clause that is inherent in all MLB contracts.

 

Can't see how if those things occurred prior to their current contract. And with the current collective bargaining agreement including steroids testing and punishment, I doubt they would be able to go beyond that punishment and release a guy.

 

It's not so much to do with the rules of MLB that they violated, but rather that they committed a Federal crime.

[OleMissCub]

Does this mean my Ricky Bones autographed card is now worthless? This sucks!

 

Sorry, OMC. You're out a quarter.

 

YOU SPEAK LIES WITH A FORKED TONGUE!!

[Roast]

 

To be fair, many Latin American players grow up malnourished and take a long time to fill in even though MLB teams put them on rigorous lifting schedules and feed them well. Then again, this is a much newer trend. When guys like Sosa were breaking in, teams hadn't put this much effort into helping these Latin American kids out.

 

Very true on both accounts. The thing is that Sosa was said to stay in the gym long after the rest of the team left, and that seems to say that he went above and beyond the regular rigorous lifting schedule. I don't know though. All we can say for sure at this point is that Sosa has managed to not be named in a single steroid report - despite the fact that people are so damn eager to try and pin it on him.

[Andy]

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Sosa%20B%20and%20A%203.jpg

 

Come on.

I'm not going to say you're wrong because I'm noncommittal, but how the hell are we supposed to know how big Sammy's biceps are in the picture on the right?

[Bull]

Sammy Sosa is some kind of freakin' evil genius mastermind living in his island lair.

 

Or was just smart enough to not use a personal check.

 

And for baseball players, the probably qualifies as genius.

 

remember that story of him having an insane amount of cash stolen...yeah

[pitchcs]

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Sosa%20B%20and%20A%203.jpg

 

Come on.

I'm not going to say you're wrong because I'm noncommittal, but how the hell are we supposed to know how big Sammy's biceps are in the picture on the right?

 

Actually, you're right. His arms don't necessarily look 'big' in the older one but they look 'strong'. And, that was like 10-13 years in time difference.

Edited December 13, 2007 by pitchcs

[shnsajax]

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Sosa%20B%20and%20A%203.jpg

 

Come on.

 

Protein shake

[jersey cubs fan]

In all honesty and with (almost) all my sosa love aside, i think it's possible that he didn't do roids. Yes his body Hulked up but he also went from being a mal-nourished dirt-poor kid to being a millionaire with access to extensive training programs and workout facilities and according to everything I've ever read - he basically lived in th gym.

 

Anyway, He wasn't named in the report and he has yet to have anything close to solid damning evidence put out against him so - until he does - he's clean to me.

 

 

All that said, it still seems like it was a way of life at that time in baseball so even if he did i suppose it's not that surprising.

 

I've heard that Sosa spent more time in the gym than any other player.

 

So what? Have you ever known a steroid user? That's much of the point of steroids. You're able to workout hard for long periods of time but recover quicker and make gains that you can't make naturally.

 

As far as his diet and economics, do you guys not realize how many players have come from the Dominican, Venezuela, etc. and grew up dirt poor?

 

Seriously if you want to continue to believe Sosa didn't use, that's your own thing. But those are two of the stupidest excuses I've ever heard.

 

I've known plenty of steroids users. Knew a guy who ran a website selling them in the 90's. Drove around in brand new sports cars all the time and was arrested multiple times.

 

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

 

Not sure how those are two stupid excuses. In fact, I think the fact that there hasn't been one ounce of proof, he was a malnourished kid who finally got big after working out a lot is kind of meaningful. In the early 90's, most baseball people who I knew were adamentally against strength training. Of course, that was limited to high school coaches, a couple older guys who got drafted and a college player. But weight lifting of any kind was relatively new. The fact that a kid coming up in the 80's from the dominican put on muscle weight in the 90's really doesn't come close to proving anything.

[Roast]

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Sosa%20B%20and%20A%203.jpg

 

Come on.

 

Picture 1: after years in the big leagues

Picture 2: After less than 3 years in the USA.

[shnsajax]

Was anyone else almost expecting more? I feel a little disappointed. Only counted 53 players on the list, was expecting around 75.

[SouthSideRyan]

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Sosa%20B%20and%20A%203.jpg

 

Come on.

 

Taken just 3 days apart.

[OleMissCub]

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Sosa%20B%20and%20A%203.jpg

 

Come on.

 

Protein shake

 

http://www.walgreens.com/dbimagecache/150158.jpg

[Roast]

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Sosa%20B%20and%20A%203.jpg

 

Come on.

 

Taken just 3 days apart.

 

:lol:

[E.J.]

Alright, I'm bored. You guys are never going to persuade me into thinking Sammy wasn't a user, and I'm not going to be able to persuade you into thinking he was. We'll all just have to agree to disagree. Edited December 13, 2007 by E.J.

[wrigley23]

bonds, mcgwire & sosa are not on the list. what am i missing?

[OleMissCub]

bonds, mcgwire & sosa are not on the list. what am i missing?

 

McGwire and Bonds are mentioned a ton in it.

 

Sosa is only mentioned one time in the whole document, and it is in the context of the players who went and testified in front of Congress.

[pitchcs]

God, look how Barry has changed.

 

But in all seriousness, they photo of him dressed up as Paula Abdul is the most ridiculous steroid picture I've ever seen. Who has shoulders like that?

 

http://www.funnyhub.com/pictures/img/barry-bonds-rookie-card.jpghttp://www.knbr.com/blog/blog/Images/Articles/Entry763_439.jpg

[Roast]

Okay, this is where I resign from the sosa argument from here on out. Let me just tell you what is going to happen

 

Some people are going to argue: Look, Sosa got really bulked up from what he was when he originally came into the league, and he played in and Era where steroids were prevalent. There is no way Sosa didn't take roids and I refuse to believe otherwise.

 

Some people will argue: Sosa was mal nourished before coming to this country and then was introduced to a stable diet and the gym and thus he bulked up. Yes he was much bigger in his later years but that's what happens when someone spends hours and hours and hours per day in the gym. Oh, and there has never been anything close to proof that Sosa did steroids. Therefore I do not believe Sosa did roids, and until proof comes out I refuse to believe otherwise.

 

 

Ok, debate over.

[wrigley23]

i'm not talking in the report but the actual list of names that are circulating from the report. bonds, sosa, wood, prior & mcgwire are not on the list